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The Future of Game Dev (Except in St. Louis)

ksquire writes "Ben Sawyer, of Digitalmill, has published an interesting article at Avault.com about the past, present, and future of game development. Sawyer argues that the game industry is going more and more toward 3rd party development tools and '4th party' publishing -- meaning that game developers are essentially tool developers for game enthusiasts to create mods (also using tools like Alienbrain or Discreet's GMAX). I'm really curious as to whether the Slashdot community thinks we'll see a future era of standardized game tools and developers courting modders, or if we'll continue to see more specialized game engines. Maybe a greater PC / Console split?" Meanwhile, over in St. Louis, the Free Expression Policy Project has filed an amici curiae brief by 33 media scholars saying that "Most studies and experiments on video games containing violent content have not found adverse effects." They're trying to stop the county from banning violent games -- Wired has the story. ksquire points out that "Sawyer also wrote an article, Serious Games: Improving Public Policy through Game-Based Learning and Simulation, which was discussed on slashdot."

netphilter and TCPALaw get credit for the Wired link. Previous Slashdot stories on violent gaming include this one and this one.

TCPALaw's full comment was (minus a dangling modifier): "Wired has a nice story on the St. Louis ban on violent video games. If the ban sticks (it was upheld by Judge Limbaugh against a constitutional challenge... Rush Limbaugh's uncle ... the same judge who struck down the federal ban on junk faxes as an abridgment of free speech - go figure) it could be extended to MP games available to play over the Internet."

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  1. I live in St. Louis... by motardo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've seen a HUGE decline of arcades here because of this ruling, many of them have closed. The local mall near me used to have an arcade...until they put in a police substation across the hall. I hate it here because of stupid stuff like this.

    1. Re:I live in St. Louis... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Interesting


      Personally, I think arcades are in decline because there are really only about 4 games out there these days, and DDR is the only one that's at all innovative -- the others are all retreads of "shoot an Uzi", "drive a car", and "twitch kung fu fighting game".

    2. Re:I live in St. Louis... by zaffir · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That, and arcades are freakin EXPENSIVE now. It costs at least a dollar a play on most of today's systems, what happened to the one quarter for one (or even three) credits days? I don't want to blow $20 every time i go to the arcade, but if i don't, i'm only there for about 20 or 30 minutes. These days i can spend $50 on a couple arcade ports for my Dreamcast that i can play whenever i want, and for as long as i want; an overpriced arcade can't hold a candle to that.

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  2. speaking as a modder... by MP*Birdman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've seen alot of companies hiring people based off of their proven abilities in the mod field.

    Likewise, I've seen people use their contacts in the mod community to get better jobs.

    With some of the newer games coming out with good tool support (Unreal 2k3 has dedicated programs included, for example) for people to make their own content (be it maps, models, sounds, what have you), I fully expect game companies to actively search out mod teams.

    Obvious case in point:
    Think about what Valve would be doing right now if it wasn't for a very small number of mods.. (Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, Action Half-life, etc... Especially Counter-Strike)

    1. Re:speaking as a modder... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Likewise, I've seen people use their contacts in the mod community to get better jobs."

      Speaking as a 3D Artist, I can happily say that GMAX is a good thing if the industry decides to support it.

      Right now, I work in LW. I may want to get a job in the game industry in the next couple of years. If so, I need a tool that's fairly close to the game. The neat thing about GMAX is that Discreet is trying to push it as a model format that other games can import. Should this take off (if it isn't already, haven't checked recently) then I'd be able to download this tool and start cranking away at models.

      Eventually, tools like this would probably be used in-house at the studio developing the game. I tell you what: That's the biggest fear I have about getting a new job. Knowing LW is fine and all, but I'll have to adapt to their tools, whatever they may be. The more access I have to those tools already, the more valuable I am.

      I guess the short version of what I'm saying is: Mods give the gaming public an avenue to increase their employment value at the companies making the games. They're creating their own talent pool!

  3. Not Black and White by sdjunky · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's never black and white with anything. Do video games cause all kids to commit violent acts? No. Do some video games cause some kids to commit violent acts? Probably.

    Children that watch other kids do things mimic them but the way to overcome that is to ensure that there is a good moral foundation ( which comes from parents )

    Have we seen a spike in violence in children since video games became more prevalent? Yes. But why is the question. You'll note that this is the same time that most families had to start having two working parents ( to supplement income ) and so there isn't somebody to monitor tv, games and other media. Nobody there to comment on this being done in the game. Nobody to say "we don't do that in real life".

    Studies and statistics are often misleading and misused. A prime example that we learned in a Psych 101 is that of Churches and Crime rate. Did you know that in areas with more churches there is a higher crime rate? Considering that astounding revelation we should ban churches since they obviously lead to crime.

    The issue is that there isn't a direct relation, but rather a common factor between the two. Where are there more churches? In higher populated areas. Where is there more crime? In higher populated areas. The problem for higher crime is increased population, not churches.

    However, those in congress and those doing this study use common link evidence and say it is a direct relationship as if anything is so black and white

  4. What happens when consoles are PCs? by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think the underlying assumption is still sound, especially when most consoles now have HD's and network connections.

    Even before those were availiable some games let you at least edit levels and save them on memory cards.

    With network support, we might well see console makers host a mod site that would let console owners post new levels or perahps even TC's (like UT mods when the current UT client is put on the PS2 or XBox).

    The exciting thing about console makers hosting mod sites is the possibility they could pay for licences in some universes (like Star Wars, or The Simpsons, or Land of The Lost [how much would that licence be? $9.99??]) and then hold contests to have people create legal mods using licenced content. At least that's what they would do if they had a shred of sense.

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  5. Future Game Development by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 3, Interesting
    As a once-and-future game developer, this is the way I see it. Developers will continue to use the best game engine available to suit their needs. If one isn't available, then they will create their own.

    A game engine that allows a user modification later is just gravy. We've pretty much have seen this as a marketing tool to get our game off the shelves and into the hands of gamers. The great success of the Quake and Unreal engines prove this. At first, just to play the Counter-Strike mod, you had to purchase Half-Life.

    Currently, only independent developers are using these third-party engines. The main reason is that they lack the resources ($$$, time and people) to create their own engine. These groups quickly find that their engine lacks the power or doesn't handle game functions as they would like. The best games will have the game design create the engine and not the other way around.

    Let's face it. To have a AAA title, you need to have your own proprietary engine. Those that use a high-end Quake or Unreal engine will often have to strip out and insert new code to make it work. (Wasn't Half-Life 85% new code?)

    I only expect to see more proprietary engines being created (as it always has been) and the ability to create user modifications as a marketing tool to increase sales.