Law Documents in a Nutshell

Ramakrishnan M writes "LawMeme has a two part article (more to come) on reading and interpreting Legalese for geeks, titled "Law School in a nutshell". Here is the Part 1 and part 2"

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A couple of minor things......

[idiotnot]

On Citations...

XXX U.S. XXXX (19XX): That's the official citation of a case. Often, if you go into a library, you won't find an official reporter (and you probably wouldn't want the official reporter, anyway). Lexis and West Publishing put out what are called unofficial reporters, the Lawyer's Edition (L.Ed.) and....I can't remember the other one at the moment IIRC (Supreme Court Reports). These have all sorts of annotations that lead you to other important info regarding the case, or cases cited within the decision. Sometimes in the decision itself, if you're not familiar with a case that's cited by the writer, you won't understand the argument. Some judges are especially obtuse (think writing code without good comments).

The Brief:

Here's the thing....the brief is far from the full story when considering a case. The brief puts one side's best spin on the case. It's designed to be persuasive, as well as being informative. Both sides submit them, blah blah blah. But, especially in cases before the Supreme Court, other factors come into play. A well-written amicus brief can have quite a bit of influence; even if the two parties involved do not solicit it, nor endorse it.

After the all the briefs are submitted, the justices hear oral arguments, where they're free to clarify things that don't make sense.

In a sense, the briefs discussed in this article are Release Notes on the case....they make the argument, but don't tell the full story.

Get a real legal education

[AntiFreeze]

With the amount of "IANAL" legal advice given on slashdot and through other mediums, I'm actually sort of scared about what this "bringing the law to the layman" type of article will actually accomplish. Now, although this article looks like it's geared more towards helping one disect a court's opinion than help lawyer want-to-bes, I'm still afraid of the ramifications of those who take this "law documents in a nutshell" as a substitute for actually learning the law.

The more people who think they know the law but are unaware of its subtleties and precedants make for a less intelligent exchange of ideas and more "I know what I'm talking about, listen to me, not them" type of exchanges.

I know this for two reasons: I come from a family of lawyers and legal experts, and I tend to fall into the "I'm correct, damnit!" category I just mentioned. Therefore, I'm usually shot down by the legal minds in my family, even when I'm being particularly intelligent in my own right, or *cough* quoting a piece of "+5 Insightful" legal advice gleaned from slashdot.

There is no substitute for a real legal education and pursuing real-world applications (be you a judge, law professor, trial lawyer or law clerk). I guess what I'm really attempting to say is that thinking you know something is no replacement for actually knowing that thing. Not that having a law degree makes you eligable to offer legal advice (I wouldn't ask an IP lawyer for help with closing on a house), but it does place you in better standing.

Use this article to help you better understand the legal document you are reading, do NOT use it to further legal advice to others -- that is not what this article, or any other like it, is meant for.
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Re:Get a real legal education

[Get Behind the Mule]

I see some sense in what you're saying, but I'm troubled by the implication that those of us without an extensive education must necessarily have little to say about matters of law. If we were talking about some obscure science that is hardly relevant to our daily lives, the idea would be less troubling. But this is stuff that impacts everybody in essential ways, and in a democracy, we have an obligation to form opinions about law, and especially about whether laws should be changed, and whether courts rule properly in their cases.

I also have a family connection to law, since my father is a lawyer. And when I've spoken to him about his cases, ever since I was a little kid, he has always taken the time to explain as much as he could about the facts, the law, the Constitution, and of course all of the coutroom politicking and dynamics that go on. It required a lot of long conversations, but he always encouraged me to develop my own understanding and opinions about what the law is, what it should be, and what the courts did and did not do correctly. I think it can only be in the lawyers' interests if all citizens try to do this as well as they can.

In other self-educated news...

[A nonymous Coward]

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