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Turning a Blind Eye to Big Brother

SiliconRedox writes: "An article in the NYTimes (user reg.) details what many of us who have worked with video or electronics have known for quite awhile: Shine a laser beam (or infrared, but the article doesn't get into that) at a video camera, and you can effectively blind certain viewpoints of the camera. The article follows one man trying to cope with the surveillence society by removing his own image from everyday video footage using this technique. The most interesting part? What kind of culpability does the individual or institution have in utilizing this kind of technology?"

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  1. Video Cameras by SuperDuG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I do believe that it is well within someone's right to not have their picture taken if they don't wish it to be. Or at least have a warning on the entrance of an establishment that you are being videotaped. I think the law that says you don't have to inform someone that you're videotaping them, but that you do for audio is bogus. The law needs to be changed, it's an invasion of privacy no matter how you want to look at it, if someone doesn't want to be videotaped, then they shouldn't be videotaped, there is no grey area. You should be informed before proceeding that you are under video survailence.

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    1. Re:Video Cameras by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I also happens to be legal to record the image of anything, by still or moving pictures, that happens in a public setting.

      I read about a recent case where people put "panty cams" on staircases and escalators to catch whatever shows up under skirts. These people were sued but the case went in their favor because it was in a public place where people had no expectation of privacy.

      The problem with that is that I'm _certain_ that the people wearing skirts, particularly women, _aren't_ expecting to have their delicates photographed in such a manner in a public place.

    2. Re:Video Cameras by SeanWithoutPants · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Aye. The justices (who were women) said that it was basically reprehensible and disgusting, but given the wording of the current law, legal.

      Not suprisingly lawmakers have said they're going to alter the voyeurism law so this type of thing does become illegal.

      ABC News article

  2. Re:Mirror of article by Timmeh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Good job moderators [/sarcas], but if you really want to get in, just remeber the NYT Random Login Generator. It won't work directly from the website anymore because the Times has blocked all requests from his site, but just download and run it from your machine, click the button, refresh once and you're in. Works like a charm.

  3. I'm just going to copyright myself by Treeluvinhippy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Any use of my image with out my consent will be punishable to the full extent of the law.

    Plantiff "We have here your honor is video tape footage of the defendent attempting to steal a Macintosh Computer worth over $3,000 from his local CompUSA a dozen video games also a leather chair, a box of M&M's and even the store manager's goldfish.."

    Me "Your honor, those images are copyrighted 2002 Treeluvinhippy and they do not have written consent of the copyright owner. I motion that the video tapes be removed as evidence and returned to the copyright holder immediatly. If the tapes are allowed as evidence I will have to force to remmind your honor about the FBI warning agaisnt public viewings of copyrighted materials. Your honor is most certainly familar with such warnings
    as it appears at the beginning of every purchased video cassete. You know the one with the blue background and white letters threating five years imprionment and/or a $25,000 fine, certain death and other such unpleasantries."

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  4. What about a license plate cloaking device? by pongo000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've always thought it would be possible to construct license plate frames that bathe a license plate in infrared and/or ultraviolet light, thereby making it "invisible" to speed control cameras (or, for the truly criminal out there, tollboth cameras), or any other CCD device. Would such a scheme actually work? Maybe put some sort of "diffuser" over the license plate to better diffuse the energy...

    1. Re:What about a license plate cloaking device? by SerpentMage · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Does not work worth a damm. Why? Because here in Europe they tried that same trick. What did the law do? They computerized the images and then toned down the hues and lo-and-behold a license plate number appeared.

      The problem with this approach is that they difference between the background with the license plate and the numbering is too large and no flash remove the contrast.

      The only one that truly works are polarizers.

      But even now in Europe they are stopping putting out ummanned cameras. People are contesting it too much. For example lets say that you get caught speeding, you say, hey that was my friend in the US. Your friend in the US says, yupe was me. The local law is powerless to do anything. Therefore they now catch speeders the old fashioned way of snapping their picture and then stopping them immediately.

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  5. A much simpler solution by norkakn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why don't we just take screenshots from current movies and post them on our shirts, that way the cameras will be making pirated copies of movies and the MPAA will go sue them all. I would say use song lyrics, but the RIAA is busy suing all of the radio stations: http://www.theonion.com/onion3836/riaa_sues_radio_ stations.html

  6. Re:He has ethical problems w/doing this? by ion_ash · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Don't get me wrong. I don't agree with the idea of videotaping the public en masse. I don't like phone-tapping, e-mail eavesdropping or surveillance in general.

    However, I take issue with:

    • We do NOT need machines [slashdot.org] tracking us or doing the job of the police. If the cop isn't paying attention, or isn't there when I blow by their hiding spot in the middle of the road at 105, tough.
    • There's NO reason to have feelings against radar jamming (the cops cheat to find out how fast you are going, why shouldn't we cheat and not let them know how fast we are going?), blocking out video taping in public places of people, etc.

    Traffic monitoring is one example of surveillance I would vote for tomorrow, if it came up on a ballot initiative. Traffic fatalities happen when people are reckless, when you "just didn't see" the child crossing the road, or the deer in the dark; or you "didn't have time to swerve" out of the way of a drunk driver, or you lose control in a curve when you hit black ice you don't expect.

    Not to mention that traffic signalling systems are designed to work within traffic law. When people cheat, traffic systems break, traffic backs-up, more people cheat, the traffic gets worse (see a pattern here?)

    If installing traffic surveillance systems would help enable the 5-0 to stop the sniper attacks on the east coast or child abductors or bank robbers, or any of the above reasons--it's in society's best-interest. Enforcing the law isn't cheating; cheating is robbing the taxpayers of the services for which we spend so very much in taxes each year. Yes, prevention is a service we pay for.

    Don't complain to me about people watching over your shoulder, just make sure the public can watch over THEIR SHOULDERS too, and we can all be happy.

    Besides, God can always see what you're doing, right? ;)

  7. Re:Laser Points Can NOT Hurt You! by 5KVGhost · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A normal laser pointer isn't going to cause any permanent damage, but having one shone in your eyes can certainly be distracting enough to cause a problem if you're driving when it happens.

    Red dots appearing out of nowhere can also spook people into thinking that they're being targeted with a laser gun sight. And if you're a police officer (or the Maryland-DC area with the recent plague of random sniper attacks) that might not be an entirely unreasonable fear.

  8. Double Standard for Video Tape by Uggy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The main problem as I see it with the whole "put video cameras all over public areas" is that we as humans tend to judge the subjects in these recordings by a different standard than we judge ourselves. This is a well studied phenomenon. We do things all the time that when viewed by others are seen as worse than how we see those same acts.

    How many times have you heard the words "I can't believe I did that!" or "I don't really do that, do I?" after watching themselves on a video tape.

    It's pretty easy to judge others, but we almost never apply the same standards to our own behavior.

    You could see the jurors in that child beating in the parking lot vilifying the woman and taking away their child, but going home and smacking their kids around. Not until someone tapes them and confronts them with it, would they realize how bad it looks. But I... I didn't mean... I uh, um, etc.

    Did they hit their kids? Yes. Should we as a society start playing self-righteous Church Lady with video tape evidence at all instances?

    Emphatically, No!!

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  9. Indeed, Air Safty by Myriad · · Score: 4, Interesting
    A normal laser pointer isn't going to cause any permanent damage, but having one shone in your eyes can certainly be distracting enough to cause a problem if you're driving when it happens.

    Indeed. The temporary blindess (the same as if a flash bulb had gone off in your face) can cause issues when controlling all sorts of vehicles.

    One of the major fears of law enforcement is precisely this problem. I've written about this before on /., but the scheme goes like this:

    - Terrorists (or your bad guy of the day) purchases a 3watt solid state YAG laser (yours for only $12,000) and a pair of scanning galvos. Now he has a powerful, portable rig than can run off an AC inverter or other portable power source. Lets say this rig is mounted to a van.

    - Go park your van at the end of a runway and proceed to scan the laser back and forth across the cockpits front window. With a tight scan pattern you are highly likely to scan across the pilots eyes.

    - This won't blind the pilot for any long period of time... but final approach and near touchdown are critical stages in a landing. Startle or distract the pilot and you might be able to crash the plane.

    - While everyone is responding to the crash you drive away... leaving no evidence.

    Nasty, nasty thought.

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  10. IR-emitting baseball cap? by Nonesuch · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Chuck Chunder writes:
    I wonder how something like a cap dotted with such LEDs would affect a camera. If nothing else you might be able to freak people out by walking past electronics store windows that have cameras demonstrating in them :)
    That sounds very similar to an idea I was considering...

    My variation is to attach a number of small IR LEDs to the underside of the bill of a baseball cap, aimed so as to direct the light towards your nose and cheekbones, to confound facial-recognition camera systems.

    In the winter this could provide some minimal added protection against frostbite :)

  11. Why am I a criminal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I find it offensive if someone is trying to record everything I do. I like my privacy. I don't commit crimes, I don't even download mp3's. Why should I let the government treat me like a criminal when I haven't even been charged of a crime. And they would be treating me like a criminal if they used cameras because that constitutes surveillance! Surveillance is defined at http://www.dictionary.com as:

    1. Close observation of a person or group, especially one under suspicion.
    2. The act of observing or the condition of being observed.

    So if I am under surveillance, I must be under suspicion. What am I under suspicion for? I haven't committed any crimes, no one has even accused me of anything. Why am I upset? I guess you could say that I don't like being treated like a criminal when I have done nothing wrong.

  12. A lot different, unless RoboCop roams your streets by geekotourist · · Score: 4, Interesting
    A policeman glances at you. Unless he already knows you, he doesn't have your name. Even if he knows you, unless he writes your name down he isn't going to remember much more than "I saw Fred earlier this week, perhaps near Crispy Cream? or was it Dunkin?"(1) He knows nothing about where you were or where you're going if you're out of his view.

    A camera tapes you. If one tape-reviewer doesn't know who you are, he can ask around until he finds someone who does. The tape can be matched with other tapes in the area to see where you were and where you're going. The tape can be stored so that, a few years from now, the 'eventually will be better than 50% accurate' facial scanning system will identify you.

    Not insignificant differences, especially if you live in a large town where the chances that any individual officer knows you is vanishingly small

    (1) People rewrite a memory each time they play it: the stronger the emotion involved in a memory, the more likely it is to be inaccurate. A recent study asked people about their 9/11 memories: a huge % of people remembered watching the one tape of WTC North being hit on 9/11 itself, even though that tape didn't come out until the next day. Similar research occured with Challenger: a professor had students write down their memories on the day after, and then two years later asked them about those same memories. Less than 25% of students remembered most or all of that day correctly. Most had at least one major detail wrong. Except for the very rare person, we don't have anything like a video camera in our brain. Or if we do, the video camera is run by a 5 year old- never stays focused on one thing for very long, and easily distracted by bright, shiny or chocolately things.

  13. Interesting situations may arise from this.... by theLOUDroom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It appears that laser jamming of optical devices has some very interesting legal ambiguities.

    Consider this situation:

    My neighbor goes out and buys and X10 camera and puts it on the front of his house. My house is directly across the street. I don't want a camera contiuously looking at me so I buy a $10 tripod and a $10 laser pointer, and aim it right at his camera. I leave it on continuously, making the camera worthless.


    Is this legal or is one of us doing something illegal? I'm sending unauthorized photons onto his propoerty. He's recieving photons from my property without authorization. Neither one seems to be explicitly ilegal.

    Seems like a couple lawyers could have a lot of fun with this one. What who you do if you were either the neighbor or myself? What is instead of being a neighbor's camera it was a camera at a local park, across the street?

    Of couse, in reality, they'd probably think the camera was broken, replace it a few times, and then give up.

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  14. Welcome America, to surveillance. by skinfitz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Quite interesting reading this discussion - in the UK we've had cameras everywhere for some time now and the excuse is always that it "would have prevented [insert recent crime]". Problem is they have been proven to not really affect the level of crime, but can seriously improve investigations.

    If governments could get away with it, we'd all be subcutaneously tagged with GPS tracking devices with cameras in our homes, this, naturally would also "would have prevented [insert recent crime]" which is the generic argument that "they" use.

    We've sadly had a few prominent child abductions and murders recently in the UK, and I predicted that someone would bring out some form of implanted child tracking device. Lo and behold the nutter Kevin Warwick has the same idea and uses it to get some publicity.

    So we all get our kids chipped... now - how many people think that once it becomes "standard practice" to have children chipped at birth, how long will it be before it's illegal to remove the chips?

    Oh hello Big Brother - you're late.

  15. Go back to life by korpiq · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Go straight back to life without entering public places. Do not collect the bones.

    Seriously, this is a real matter. "Collecting photons" is off the point like all matter being energy is off the point when it hits your body at 300mph.

    When someone can analyze someone else's actions without risking the same, that gives the analyzer power over the victim. In a "civilized" society that power would be spread equally. Not sharing the power leads to despotism, which, in turn, leads to anger. Anger leads to things taking each other apart. Very much like in that 300mph example. Or "Fight Club" for that matter.

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  16. Re:Privacy by WNight · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does your church group print up pamphlets with "Tough Questions for Athiests" on them?

    Obviously there aren't black and white issues. A parent not wanting to trust ritalin for their child based on a hurried diagnosis is different than one refusing a blood transfusion for a child who lost a lot of blood from a deep cut.

    Just the same, abortion is an issue with no good hard rules. Even very pro-abortion people would dislike the idea of 9th month abortions and few reasonable anti-abortionists really hold to the view that every sperm is sacred, or that the instant a sperm and egg touch, that they are morally equivalent to a child.

    If you've studied any biology it's hard to get worked up about first trimester abortions. They're probably reasonable later, but except for hidden health complications, there are few valid reasons for waiting this long so limiting abortions to the first trimester is a reasonable compromise.