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Rosen, Valenti Warn Colleges About P2P

fini writes "The RIAA and MPAA just sent a letter to 2,300 colleges or so, asking to crack down on P2P. Juicy nugget: 'Not only is piracy of copyrighted works illegal, it can take up a significant percentage of a university's costly bandwidth.' Also mentioned, some quasi-FUD on security issues. Six higher-ed honchos also sent a concurring letter. From the RIAA website, here's the story and the letters (PDF only). Mentioned as examples of model policies: Drake University, UNC Chapel Hill and University of Michigan . Interestingly enough, there is no threatening 'or else' stuff in those letters. Not yet..."

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  1. New info for Colleges... by theBraindonor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesn't _every_ college that provides high-speed internet to students already know this!?

    Sounds more like they are sending letters to colleges as a message to somebody else. Not the administrations, not the students, that's for sure.

  2. Where are our refunds??? by coupland · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Though she's as bad as the rest, Courtney Love had it right when she asked how much she, as an artist, would be getting in refunds due to RIAA awards against MP3.com and similar services. If her balance hasn't been positive due to these offensive attacks then we can only assume this is only about fat, bald bureaucrats at the RIAA. I'd love to proven wrong but...

  3. No doubt charged to the artists by thumbtack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The cost of which will no doubt, be charged as "operating expenses" to the webcasting royalties they are collecting, before the artists get a dime. The only thing the RIAA and their members are adept at is spending the artists money to guarantee that they never recoup.

  4. P2P is the next killer app. by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before everyone goes off on P2P:

    Right now there is a major server-side bandwidth shortage. It's expensive to run a major web site. There is a client-side bandwidth glut. It's cheap to browse the internet.

    The server-side bandwidth cost means is very hard to host significant content for low cost, especially if you start to get popular. This hurts web content for everyone.

    The solution? P2P-type networks. Move that client-side bandwidth over to the server side. Why should someone download a web page or file from a single server when they could download it from the last ten people who viewed that same page or file? Sending every web page you visit on to another person (or 5 people) does not incur a significant rise in the cost of you connection. Sending a web page to a million people a month from one server does.

    And when P2P starts to open up the web for everyone, there are going to be a lot of people who are going to be pretty sorry that they were so narrow-minded that they made it easy for colleges, cable companies, and phone companies to restrict bandwidth for P2P networks just to save a few dollars.

    1. Re:P2P is the next killer app. by kenthorvath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because as we all know, single server sytems are already somewhat insecure. Can you imaging the havoc that will be unleashed if you give 100,000 users the ability to serve out, say, slashdot's or cnn's web pages? This would certainly put a damper on any "trustworthy computing" that you may have hoped to have.

    2. Re:P2P is the next killer app. by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Yeah, there's a little company named Akaima, and a dinky opensource product named squid that beat P2P to the punch a long time ago. Akaima can solve the problem from the server end, and squid can solve it from the client end. P2P doesn't have to optimize web page delivery, it's a solved problem. Maybe not widely deployed, but anybody can solve it pretty trivially.

      Okay, now P2P to solve multi-cast routing of streaming live content like movies and audio broadcasts so if 50 people on a single ISP are watching a football game broadcast over the internet live efficiently that's cool. Web pages are trivial. ISP's, businesses, colleges, have all solved this problem for the end consumer. Shit, you can't go to www.yahoo.com anymore without hitting an Akaima server. All cable modem providers in my area use transparent squid proxies to speed up web browsing.

      If P2P's big goal is to solve a trivial problem solved by the HTTP 1.1 spec, in conjunction with a couple of Open Source products, plus a couple of large business, I'd say P2P is about 3 years behind the times....

      That said, P2P has some cool applications and will solve some cool problems, I don't think Web pages is one of them.

      Kirby

    3. Re:P2P is the next killer app. by ComputerSlicer23 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      But here is what I meant by glut. Most people's connections (with exceptions), broadband or dial-up, are silent most of the time. They don't pay any more whether they use that bandwidth or not.
      Ummm, just out of curiousity, do you have any idea WHY client side bandwidth is cheap, and why server side isn't? If your basing the premise of your P2P services off this idea you'll completely violate all of the economics of bandwidth reselling. If you are saying you want to use spare dialup bandwith, and spare cable modem bandwidth to serve pages you've downloaded to other users, you'll drive the prices of consumer bandwidth to the price of server bandwidth. Why do you think so many bandwidth providers complain about P2P applications.

      ISP's oversell capacity. Last I heard it was something like 5-10 to 1 on high quality ISP's. They over sell capacity by a lot. This over selling is why they can sell it to you cheap, because your only paying for 1/5 to 1/10th of the cost of the bandwidth. That's why getting a cable modem is cheap, and getting a server hooked up at 1/10th the speed is more expensive.

      So I'll say it this way... If you're trying to use spare bandwidth from users to serve pages to other users, especially if they are off your local ISP, you will ruin the good thing we have going. We get bandwidth cheaper then we should as a consumer precisely because the content providers pay so much, because an average end user doesn't use that much bandwidth. If you break that up, you realize you'll get to pay server prices for your bandwidth right?

      If your structuring your P2P that way, it'll be a killer app. It'll kill the pricing scheme of consumer bandwidth.

      Kirby

  5. "Juicy nugget"? by tunah · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Juicy nugget: 'Not only is piracy of copyrighted works illegal, it can take up a significant percentage of a university's costly bandwidth.'

    Juicy? It *can* take up a significant percentage of bandwidth. Bandwidth *is* costly. The copying of copyrighted works, according to current concensus, *is* illegal. Even if you don't agree with the illegality of it, how is the fact that the RIAA believes copying is illegal surprising or revealing?

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  6. Think about why the RIAA did this... by scubacuda · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Seriously, think about why the RIAA is targeting colleges.

    Colleges shape the way generations think. If they simply sit back and allow millions of students get accostomed to d/ling MP3s, then they have an uphill battle to fight later. They are scared to death of a new generation thinking there is nothing wrong with this.

    Most of us here on the boards fit in the 20 to 50 year old category. We at least remember what it was like to have to *buy* a cd! Think about the impact of those below us who will grow up in a culture where, if you want an album, you download it and burn it yourself.

    From the RIAA's point of view, it's easier to send a watered down "cease and desist" letter rather than rethinking ways to relate to this new demographic.

  7. Early Electrical Grids by shoemakc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole situation reminds me of when electrical grids were just being set up, however metering was not widespread and the available meters crude.

    Eventually when the technology improves, the system will have to move to a "pay what you weigh" billing scheme just like all of our other utilities.

    I mean, let's face it. Internet access is becoming a utility, just like electricity, water gas, etc. Why then should it not be billed by the gallon, kW or whatever just like any other utility?

    I know it sounds aweful to the all-you-can-eat salad bar culture, but it's probably inevitable.

    -Chris

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  8. Re:my college by the+gnat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was told something similar a few years ago when I was one of the student support staff at my alma mater (a larger private university). The IT director said the administration got letters from the RIAA all the time reporting student computers distributing copyrighted files, and asking for the student names and contact info. The university's response was to contact the student personally, make it very clear that they were not to do this or else they'd lose their network connection, verify that they'd removed copyrighted material from public view, and then reply to the RIAA that any problem that might have existed was resolved. No admission of wrongdoing, no personal information- they handle it internally and tell the RIAA to bug off.

    This is by far the most sensible policy. The net admins have better things to do than monitor the network all the time, and the administration has no desire to turn over its students to entertainment lawyers. All they care about is keeping a well-ordered network, where students don't clog the T3 and don't get lawyergrams sent to the President's office. Students have in fact been thrown off the residential network for violations, but I don't think anyone's been in trouble with outside authorities.