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Possible Signs of Life Detected On Venus
MoThugz writes "This article from the The Houston Chronicle discusses the discovery of mysterious swirling patches on the surface of the planet which may be communities of bacteria. These bacteria might be a genetically-enhanced version of the thermophiles which are known to survive in extreme temperatures. The article suggested the bacteria could be using ultraviolet light from the sun as an energy source, which would explain the presence of strange dark patches on ultraviolet images of the planet."
This sounds like a case of a bunch of scientists forgetting to properly apply Occam's Razor!!
Life (even microbial life) is so extremely complex, that is seems implausable to jump to the conclusion that life must be present, simply because of a chemical marker which we find hard to make without the help of microbes!
These guys should be concentrating on eliminating other possibilities, rather than just jumping onto the News Bandwagon to get their latest 'discovery of life' publicised.
Disclaimer: I meant what I thought, not what I wrote! What? You can't read my Mind? Oh dear!
Nasa could do metric>>imperial conversions we could send an orbital probe to go pick some up... with out it buringing up (-:
Seriously thou, would it be possible to send a scope to go pick some up. Obviously it would be expensive.. and the money could be spent better else where, but we know they won't so lets go with the flow and think about it... Not knowing much about venus, would the atmospheric pressure and gravitational forces be to high to send some sort of probe to enter the atmosphere and blast back out? (far off wacky idea I know, but I am bored)
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Because otherwise the 99% of the human population who know little to nothing about modern science and don't even watch the news would never get "hooked" by anything. "Life on X" is popular at the mo' there have been many others "The Might Atom" for example.
I think the theory is that you have a coupla "whizz bang" announcments a year and hope that enough people get into the sciencey thing and become inventors, engineers, fizzysists etc...
Otherwise most people would go back to watching "Big Brother" or "Pop Idol" or some equally vacuous "entertainment"... after many years of this the TV system would eventually fall into disrepair and the ensuing social chaos would cause untold destruction.
probly.
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Yeah, he's right. There is no such thing as airborn viruses....not
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And where do you think those airborne viruses came from? Did they materialize in the air? No, they came from a volume of water within the host they grew in.
Using your logic, one could say birds never need to land, and since a fish can survive out of water for a given amount of time, it never needs to be in water.
Here's some science for you: There are at least 5 illogical people on
Yeah, he's right. There is no such thing as airborn viruses....not
Well as a wanna be scientist you should now that viruses are also not alive per se. Viruses are a classic twilight area. Are they alive, are they not? It's not an easy answer. However to claim them to be a life form as you do is false.
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People didn't think that there could be life in hot springs, in the dead sea, in glacial ice, or thermal vents on the ocean floor either. The organisms that live in these extream enviroments are just as different from other bacteria, than humans are from E. coli and they were found right here on earth. It might not be so far fetched to think that airborn microbs could be living in similar extream enviroments on another planet.
Actually, yes, a virus is considered alive if for no other reason, to distinguish it from a DEAD virus. Example: I have HIV. A drop of my blood drops on the kitchen counter. For a short period of time, the virus is alive. It will die shortly thereafter and no longer EVER be able to infect anyone because it's DEAD and it doesn't come back to life. Many virii do not survive long outside of a host.
It's pretty hard to take up the argument that the conditions for life on say Mars are better than Earth. Earth has vast forests, billions of species... seems pretty conducive to life, huh? Mars, on the other hand, may or may not have microbial life... pretty dull.
All the conditions you listed off, instable tectonic plates, atmospheric disturbances, etc are all wonderful sources of energy, and most likely helped the formation of life on Earth, rather than hindered it.
Doug
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Ok from an economic/15 min of fame perspective which do you thnk would attract more $/pretigue saying the you found some rare funky gas on Venus or that you found some rare funky gas on Venus that was CREATED OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS BY BILLIONS OF EXTRATERRISTIAL BACTERIA LIVING AT 50KM. hmmmm... tuff one
Isn't it funny how all of NASA's missions are in a search for life and they've failed, what, a zillion times? Hey, but it get's congress to shell out some cash.
Now if they could say they might have found life on Pluto then the Kuiper express would have been funded long ago.
Ah, yes. Obviously, the government should never involve itself in basic research, since so many companies are willing to fund baseline development that has no immediate, obvious return. Instead, the government should restrict itself to funding work that has fast and sure commercial potential -- private industry never cares about that stuff.
Exactly. This also ties in with the belief that there HAS to be water for there to be life, and that water means life. For all we know there are things living on Pluto that enjoy solid nitrogen popsicles on a daily basis.
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I believe the appropriate karma to follow should be tagged "Funny". :-) Community moderation at work!
And now, to make my post important enough for it to avoid the dreaded zero...
Regarding life anywhere; Steve Grand makes a very interesting point about life in his book "Creation"; it's not tied to the matter that makes life up but rather the patterns in how things connect. The analogy he drew was how clouds are not static bodies of steam but rather areas inside which the water carried by air becomes visible. Like ripples in the water, we only borrow the atoms in our own bodies for a while, binding them to the patterns of interaction that make us unquestionably alive.
While it's far fetched to imagine even bugs on Venusian surface, it is not impossible to envision bacteria evolving from the complex interactions of heat and gases in the atmosphere. All evolution needs to kick off is a fertile playground, a pattern that can replicate itself with a degree of variation, and a lucky roll of dice.
If there indeed *is* bacteria discovered on Venus it would suggest the dice of the universe are heavily loaded with a bias towards generating life. It's that bias which would determine not just whether we are alone but just how crowded it can this universe get after a while. On the other hand, the Venusians have quite a few hundred million years to catch up with their Terran cousins.
Although, with the moderation above points, one has to wonder. :-)
Jouni
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I'm wondering...
The Russians actually landed a probe on Venus (in fact, I seem to remember two of them landing). Is it possible this new evidence for microbes might actually be getting caused by microbes we introduced there?
Eh, it's just a random thought. Anything seems a likely explanation at this point. You can't always tell when it comes to the chemical processes of an alien world.
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Most anything invented after 1950 has been science fiction. Of course terraforming is *possible* but way beyond our (economic) capabilities at the moment.
Well, suppose there is, in fact, life on Venus. That doesn't mean that given enough time, intelligent life will emerge. Maybe suitable conditions for basic life cover a very broad range, but that doesn't mean intelligent life can survive in such heat.
Perhaps you should check the definitions of the following words:
Sarcasm
Funny
Humor
Joke
Comedy
That is all.
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