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Library of Congress Map Collections from 1500's

e03179 writes "A friend of mine stumbled across this site from the US Library of Congress. The website allows users to view maps that go all the way back to the 1500's (like this one of America in 1562). The maps have been converted to digital form (SID format - viewer available here) but are viewable in .GIF form in your browser. I was able to look up my hometown during 1871 and see the church in which I'm getting married. Who thought the LOC could be so 31337?"

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  1. SVG? by doorbot.com · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why aren't there SVG versions available? Icons are great in SVG, but one area where SVG can really strut it's stuff is maps.

    1. Re:SVG? by delta407 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The maps are digitized from their original, hard-copy form. That produces a raster image, and it would be entirely useless to attempt to make an inaccurate vector represenetation of it.

  2. burn all gifs by sfraggle · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Kind of ironic how slashdot links to burnallgifs.org while practically every image on here is in gif format as well..

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  3. Olde Maps by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I've been able to pick up some 1800's maps on ebay of the world, as it was known even then it's pretty cool to see how they thought the world fit together.

    Oh, and thanks for the red herring link to the burn all gifs website, keep your politics to yourself or at least warn that it's not to LOC gif images.

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  4. .SID format by strredwolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    MrSID format is fairly intelligent. I had the pleasure of working with some Perl code which impliments the UI, and calls a compiled program to shove out the .GIF. Ported a good chunk to PHP, streamlined it a bit, and did some overlay magic on it.

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  5. Re:Burn all gifs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Has /. paid the devil
    Or will we see:
    News Item: UNISYS sues Slashdot.

  6. Who thought the LOC could be so 31337? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Surely you jest. LIbraries are the oldest and ultimate repository of geek-ness. WHat could be more 31337.

    Interestingly, the world's first library just reopened a couple of days ago.

    Or you could visit this extraordinary place.

  7. I'll tell you... by Qwerpafw · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Who thought the LOC could be so 31337?
    Neal Stephenson?

    Think back to SnowCrash, that piece of geek required reading...

    (for the uninitiated, the Protagonist of SnowCrash is a uber-hacker of sorts who freelances doing data mining for the library of congress. He also delivers pizza for the Mafia, or did until he crashed his car.)
  8. Interesting comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Size of Slashdot's logo (title.gif): 3473 bytes
    Size of Slashdot's logo as a PNG: 2558 bytes
    Savings of 915 bytes

    That's a savings of nearly a gig per million downloads. Imagine the savings when you do all the other graphics on the site, too.

  9. Re:GIF Format? by Monkelectric · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I never understood that one ... couldn't I tile pentagons and break the therom ?

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  10. Another interesting collection of old maps... by GeoMapper · · Score: 4, Interesting
    in modern formats (i.e., not paper) is at http://www.davidrumsey.com/

    I love old maps on weekends; by day, I love modern spatial datasets at the large earth-science agency at which I work (OK, it's a part of the Dept. of Injustice as referenced in a recent /. article on the 100% M$ solution. My team is about 50% Mac, 40% Win, 10% *nix - but that's OT).

    Maps can be considered a superset of the relational/OO database; x, y, z and t have special properties (try indexing on x and y). If you'd like to learn more of this facinating topic, do the usual searches but be sure to include GIS (geographic information system, not guessing is simpler, as some have suggested).

    Cheers from a first-poster. /. is great!

  11. Re:America in the 1500's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The United States didn't come into existence until the 1700's, however, America, the two continents, first received that name in 1507.

  12. submissions? by WhiteChocolate42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a few maps of my hometown that predate the oldest LOC maps of the area (mine are from early 1800s). Does anyone know of a method to submit maps for archival? (I don't really want to give them away, but I would like to see them digitally archived)

  13. Re:America in the 1500's? by evacuate_the_bull · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not exactly.

    America (the landmass) has been inhabited for several thousands of years.

    "People" began arriving in America between 30,000 and 10,000 years ago via the Bering Strait.
    Columbus arrived here in 1492 as (supposedly) the first European.
    Virginia Dare was the first American child born of European parents in 1587.
    The Declaration of Independence was finished on July 4, 1776, creating the United States of America

    An interesting sorite. When did America come into existance???

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  14. how did they know ... by Raiford · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I guess a cartographer is a cartographer regardless of what era you live in and the explorers also had the spirit of scientists as well. It amazes me that the coastlines of some regions such as Cuba have all the little nooks and crannies included. It amazes me how this was done without the aid of aerial observation. It may not be entirely accurate, but it was a grand attempt.

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    1. Re:how did they know ... by ksuhr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There was a recent story on NPR about Captain Cook which mentioned that his maps of various expeditions were so accurate that they were being used into the 1990's. I wonder if they were used so recently, why did they stop? did GPS totally ecplipse everything around that time frame? Oh, the stuff about Captain Cook dealt with a book called Blue latitudes if anyone is interested.

  15. Re:Burn all gifs? by cthugha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From what I've heard, slightly earlier versions of IE on Windows had semi-cruddy PNG support.

    All right, hands up everybody who uses old (and therefore, with security holes big enough to peg a rock through) versions of IE.

    What, no one? How surprising, considering how tolerant and understanding /.ers are on these issues. :)

  16. and so much more!! by KingRoo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The American Memory project [of which the maps is a small fraction] has total history or old-time geek appeal

    They have movies of people in SF in the early 1900s, sheet music of civil war songs, photos of old mining towns in Colorado, recordings of appalachia string bands, etc, etc.

    One of my favorite sites on the web, and always being updated with more Olde Shite. recommended.

  17. Great Deadlands resource by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'm currently game-mastering a Deadlands roleplaying game (real system, not the d20 port) where the action has centered around the Pacific Northwest in 1878. I've used the "American Memory" site for all sorts of stuff in that game, including a bird's eye view of Seattle, 1878that I rendered into a big three-page size printout, glued it to some cardboard, and am using it as the GM's screen, with the map facing outward to the players.

    That site is great. The other handy thing about it is the indications of what areas were yet unexplored at the time. By looking at a map of the era I know what fuzzy unknown wilderness areas are ripe to be populated with all sorts of Bad Guy hideouts and such.

    On another note, I noticed an awful lot of the birds-eye artist rendition maps are from the Wisconsin area, where I live, and I thought that was a bit odd. It turns out the reason for it is that the Library of Congres' project of comissioning maps of all the new cities happened to be in effect at about the time the artist's birds-eye rendition was in vouge, which was also about the time this part of the country was starting to be heavily settled.

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  18. More info: MrSID viewer by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To render that 3-page printout of the seattle map, I had to download the linux version of the MrSID viewer, download the SID file, and display it that way (the web interface scales gifs down to 640x400 at most).

    Here's some stuff about the MrSID view (at least the linux version. I didn't try any of the other ports).

    1 - All it lets you do is view on the screen. It has no "print" option.
    2 - It does have the ability to dump out to a number of common image file formats, but it only dumps out the image at the resolution being displayed currently on the screen, so it cannot make an image larger than your screen's resolution.
    3 - I know the SID files are actually capable of much higher resolution than that.
    4 - So what I ended up having to do to make the big hi-res version of the image was to have MrSID zoom in on various sections of the picture, and save those zoomed-in areas as seperate files.
    5 - Then I glued the seperate images together in GIMP into one big image. This I had to do visually since there was no way to tell MrSID to size itself to a specific section of the image by coordinates,
    and so my zoomed-in dumps had overlapping bits.

    Summary: The site is very very cool, but the MrSID viewer you have to use to get the full resolution images is annoying. I'd much rather just download the large version as a really big JPEG and use whatever image editor I feel like once I have it.

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