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Hilary Rosen Defeated at Oxford Union

yogi writes "Oxford University Students' Union had a debate last Thursday, titled This House believes that 'the free music mentality is a threat to the future of music.'. Ordinarily, not too exciting, but since it is the Oxford Union, they get Hilary Rosen to speak. She lost the debate, and had to have pictures like this taken. Read the writeup at NTK, or a more detailed one here. I especially like the bit where she asked all the file downloaders whether it made them buy more music."

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  1. Re:where can I get one of those T-shirts? by jaaron · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.geekstyle.co.uk/ntkmart.cgi#Corrupt
    It's linked from one of the articles

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    Who said Freedom was Fair?
  2. Oxford Union Debates (I "officiated" once) by Elias+Israel · · Score: 5, Informative

    This summer, I had the opportunity to help officate at a debate held at the Oxford University Student Union. This was for an XML course that was developed by a consulting firm that was presented at the University. During the summer, Oxford hosts a significant number of for-profit and non-profit organizations holding conferences, seminars, and the like.

    The city of Oxford and the University are stunning. If you've never seen them, you're missing out.

    The debating hall is laid out similarly to the House of Commons, which us 'mericans sometimes get a glimpse of on TV.

    At the head of the room is the debate chairman, who presides over the debate and makes sure that the rules are followed. To his left and right are the Union treasurer and librarian. Since this wasn't an "official" Oxford Union debate, all three of those roles were held by participants in the XML summer course. I sat to the left of the chairman, and helped decide matters of debate procedure and scope. (Don't laugh; there actually was one matter to review. :)

    On the main floor of the debate chamber is the Secretary's desk. The Secretary likewise assures debate procedure is followed and assists the chairman in doing so.

    On either side of the Secretary's table are the proposer of the motion, and the opposer. Each of them leads a particular side of the debate.

    Around all of them are the seats for the participants, arranged on both the main floor and a balcony surrounding everything.

    Perhaps the most interesting feature of the debate hall are the doors. On the way in, they look like simple double doors. Only when you are inside can you see that over the right door reads a sign saying "Yeses", and over the left door "Noes." At the end of the debate all participants file out through those doors, their numbers counted by the Secretary as they pass. Then everyone files back in to hear the results read.

    The Oxford Union is one of the oldest free speech organizations in the world, and certainly deserving of respect on that basis. The debating hall is a monument to civil society and free speech. The Union is also a completely private institution: a true union of, by, and for Oxford students.

    Now, having said all of that, the fact remains that a debate at the Oxford Union is just a debate. It's not a UN Security Council resolution or a Supreme Court judgment. It's just the opinion of a bunch of people who happened to be in the hall at the time as to whether the proposer or the opposer made a better case for their side.

    It's all good fun, and much needed at that. But let's not get all worked up about it.

  3. Re:Debate is getting old by Jason+Earl · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was somewhat amusing to see that you not only offer your own music for free download, but also music from several other bands. Something tells me, however, that the Dead Milkmen haven't given you permission to do this.

    Now, I can understand wanting to share your own music, but I don't understand why you feel you should be free to share someone else's copyrighted material.