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The Very Verbose Debian 3.0 Installation Walkthrough

Gentu writes "Cited the general displeasure which accompanied the Debian 3.0 release, mostly regarding its dated installation procedure, Clinton De Young wrote an easy-reading but long article for OSNews going through the Debian installation step by step. Of course Progeny released recently the PGI graphical installer, but it is not as complete as the current Debian text-based installer and it will definately be quite some time before it get adopted by the project."

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  1. fp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    yea!!!

  2. First! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    First!

  3. Re:What about debian's own install guide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    same here..

  4. 10th post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    yeah baby, yeah!
    I like Linux, it is good.

  5. FAQ by The+Trix+Rabbit · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The Anti-GPL Mindset FAQ v.00001

    1. The Free Market

    Freedom is a very important, albeit often misused, word. Freedom refers to the ability
    of a person to perform unhindered exchange with other people.

    Just as freedom does not mean the ability to do what you want, like punch your
    neighbor, it does not mean the ability to take whatever you want. People often
    confuse freedom as meaning unrestriction on action, where it actually means
    unrestriction on TRADE.

    The physical manifestation of freedom is the free market, where people have the
    option, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to exchange items with one another. These
    exchanges are not forced, which is why they are free. Both parties agree to the
    exchange.

    2. The GPL is legit

    This is not going to be a document which says the GPL is illegitmate and should go
    away. The GPL merely is a way for authors to ensure that their work is used as
    intended, negotiating a free exchange between the author and user.

    The problem is not the GPL, but the mindset and assumptions it has brought about
    regarding freedom and capitalism. The other problem is that it's generally
    assumed that there is an impossible rift between commercial and free software,
    scalable only by tech support, manuals, and service contracts. I won't settle
    for that.

    3. The Need for Money

    A large chunk of the Linux community has never written a line of code or contributed
    to the world of Linux whatsoever, aside from their misguided rantings on Slashdot.
    Despite their opinions, we are currently, thankfully, living in a free market society.
    The medium for exhange in this market is cash, as we've evolved beyond the barter
    system. With this in mind, the prominent way to obtain physical goods is to
    perform an exchange of value with others.

    Hence, for those of us not still living off of our parents, or who are unsatisfied
    working at Subway by day and exclusively using our programming talents for free at
    night, money is a necessity. Working on the latest build of GIMP is fun and exciting,
    especially if you have the physical goods you need provided for you by someone else,
    but it is impractical to exclusively exchange your work for source code through the
    GPL when you need to exchange some work for money as well to survive.

    4. Making Money is Not Evil

    It seems that a lot of people have fallen into the trap assuming that making money
    is inherently evil. They point to Bill Gates as an example.

    Though the ethics involved can be questionable, making money is not inherently evil.
    Why? Simple -- both parties involved in the exchange of money are doing so
    voluntarily. Don't like Microsoft? Don't buy their software. Don't like the fact
    that your car payments are so expensive? Don't drive. The reason freedom is such an
    important word is because it implies a lack of force. You are not FORCED to do anything
    you don't want to.

    People argue that a Microsoft monopoly provides no choice. The choice is simple: use
    Windows, or don't use Windows. If not using Windows means you have to settle for a
    lesser product, or no product, well, then maybe you understand why Microsoft has so much
    money :)

    People argue that not using Windows or having a car are impossible, but seem to forget
    that in reality the only reason they even have an opportunity to use these things are
    due to the creators who made them.

    5. What about source code?

    The commercial software model in the past has often neglected to include source code
    with their products. The reason for doing so is most likely because algorithms, techniques,
    or even the entire product itself could be re-branded by a competitor and sold on
    the free market as their own work.

    However, for most users who are not software houses looking to steal the work of
    others, source code can be a useful tool. An ideal system would:

    1. Allow software distributors to include their source code without fear of a
    competitor theft.

    2. Allow end-users to modify the software for their own needs.

    3. Allow these changes to be exchanged in the free market, with compensation being
    given to all parties involved in creating the current product. (The original
    developers, and the end users.)

    This surely strikes a chord in many people who are accustomed to repeating the
    axiom that the GPL is the "one true way" to freedom. The GPL makes source code
    available, overcoming point 1 and 2, but does so at the cost of allowing developers
    to participate in the outer free market. Some of us, believe it or not, would
    love to be able to have end users jump in, or jump in ourselves as end users,
    in developing our favorite products. However, we would not like to do so at the
    cost of our ability to eat.

    In other words, for those of us who want to develop software as a living, the
    most viable action to take is to work on GPL stuff as a hobby on the side and
    work by day for a traditional software developer. We don't want to get paid
    for tech support or "service," we want to get paid for our work on the code.
    Despite the cries of the masses, working on GPLed software 24 hours a day does
    nothing except make our computers work better and get us a few lines of praise
    in IRC.

    The challenge is twofold: 1) Getting people to evolve their mentality past the
    "GPL is always #1" axiom and 2) Developing a new methodology which allows these
    points above. It won't be easy, it might be impossible, but the first step, as
    with most mental deficiencies, is realizing that you have a problem.

    As a final analogy: Someone writes a 1200 page book over the course of two years.
    If they "GPL" the book, they exchange their two years of work and potential ability
    to trade it on the free market for the editing and updating ability of the masses.
    If they sell the book, they can exchange on the free market but they lose the
    publics' help. These are not the only options. If the public could be brought "on board"
    for writing an extra chapter here and there, being compensated accordingly,
    all parties could be satisifed in a different way if they do not want to sacrifice
    one thing for the other.

    6. Source code is just speech!

    Sure. And so are an architect's plans, a musician's written compositions, an author's
    well researched thesis, and an artist's latest painting. If you honestly think that
    someone's statement of "George Bush Sucks!" should be considered of the same moral value
    as a symphony, then you're beyond help.

    Source code is more than speech. One could argue that it's analagous to an architect's
    plans, but it's even more than that. Only if there were a universal house machine
    that could take an architect's arbitrary drawings and instantly turn them into a house
    would this be the case.

    Source code, for 99% intents and purposes, IS what it DOES. A 10 line "Hello World" program
    is not, and should not be considered, just a 10 line text document. It should be
    considered as an entity which prints out "Hello World." The source code to Microsoft
    Windows is not merely set of text files, but is an operating system.

    It amazes me that programmers can downplay their work so much as to categorize the 10
    lines of code they potentially spent weeks writing in the same category as the idiotic
    rantings of a drunkard: "speech."

    7. So why not just trade source code?

    This is what the GPL offers now. But, as stated above, there is potential for another
    alternative. No system exists which allows me, with peace of mind, to trade my source code,
    my hard work, for cash, both as the original developer or an end-user.

    8. But I cannot afford it!

    Such is life. You have a few alternatives. Don't use it. Work to earn it.
    Build your own alternative. Steal it and risk the consequences.

    In any case, don't dilusion yourself that you are somehow entitled to the work of others
    by the nature of its existence.

  6. To Not Correct is to Spread Ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    definitely not definately :) Have a nice day!

    *Not a mistake that needs to be made on an installation.

    1. Re:To Not Correct is to Spread Ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      No he didn't. "Misspelt" is considered correct as well.

  7. What about O'Reilly by Suppafly · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    Why isn't there an O'Reilly book entitled "Installing Linux in a Nutshell" or "Installing Linux for n00bs" or something. The picture could be a drooling idiot or something.

  8. Re:installers my arsenipples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    you forgot..

    blah blah BSD!

    bla bla CowboyNealOS...

  9. Re:debian gnu/faglix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Why do you have so much hatred in you? Don't you have anyone that loves you?

  10. Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 55 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic


    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

  11. Re:What about debian's own install guide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    je suis aussie

  12. 802.11b support? by Razorviro · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Is it very easy to set configure a 802.11b PCI NIC in Debian? I got it to work in RedHat 7.3, put it was kind of a pain in the ass.

  13. easy Debian, also known as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Libranet!

    You wanna easy install, pay for it. Besides, it roxxors!

  14. Where the FUCK are the KDE3 debs??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    What is taking you fucktards so FUCKING LONG???

  15. Re:debian gnu/faglix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    I'm not the original poster, but I'd like to take this opportunity to state with clarity that:

    Absolutely no one loves me.

  16. Re:A good start but... by nitehorse · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Hmmm. Gentoo includes the nVidia drivers. :)

    (Gentoo is source-based, in case you didn't know. but having nVidia-based X with the SGI GL is a few 'emerge's away, and requires zero screwing with config files.)

    -clee