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Thermoelectric Generator With No Moving Parts

Savage-Rabbit writes "These guys have produced a working prototype of a thermoelectric generator. The thing uses extremely cold and hot liquids to achieve a heat transfer through a semiconducting material. This produces a voltage in the semiconductor who can produce up to 50-100 Watts which is actually enough for this thing to have practical uses. This generator could for example be useful in the chemical industry where many production processes generate a lot of excess heat that normally is simply lost. With a thermoelectric generator some of that lost energy could be recovered."

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  1. Free electricity...if you have free hot water by alwayslurking · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's an Icelandic company, so they're developing in an environment where there's plentiful hot water (geothermal). I'm wondering if you could get enough hot water from rooftop water-heating panels. Not the thoroughly expensive photo-voltaic, the much simpler black pipes full of water sort. They're surprisingly efficient even in colder climes: my in-laws in the North of England get most of their hot water from a set. The combination might make this very useful for isolated buildings, even outside of volcanic hot zones.

  2. Move along, nothing to see here... by BurritoJ · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is just a Peltier device in reverse. Instead of using a forced flow of electrons to drive heat from a cold surface to a warmer one, it is using the flow of heat from a warm surface, through the Peltier element, to a colder surface to drive electrons, generating current.

  3. Thermocouples? by Louis_Wu · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Wow, did that Icelander discover thermocouples? I can't believe the advances in science being made.

    Seriously, at my university, thermocouples are covered in a sophomore year mechanical engineering class and lab.

  4. Other uses by taphu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This generator could for example be useful in the chemical industry where many production processes generate a lot of excess heat that normally is simply lost.

    Not to mention all the heat lost in even more common things such automobile engines.

  5. Yankee Stadium by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 3, Funny

    I figure, if they used cool water from the Hudson for the cold side, and warm, um, liquid from the urinals for the hot side, they could get the lighting for night games for free!

    Though they might want to lower the prices on soda and beer, just to keep things flowing.

  6. Perpetual Motion? by crisco · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does this mean I can water cool my Athlon and keep the computer powered off the waste heat?

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    Bleh!

  7. Efficiency: 1% by jfengel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They claim:

    a generator that gets 3 litres per minute (0.8GPM) of 75C (167F) hot water, gives about 50 Watts when also supplied with the same flow of cold water used for cooling.

    They also claim to produce about a 20C drop in temperature. Theoretically that's 4,200 Watts (it takes a lot of energy to raise a liter of water 1 degree). So their efficiency is only 1%.

    I hope I've done the math right; high school chemistry was half a lifetime ago.

    1. Re:Efficiency: 1% by siskbc · · Score: 3, Informative

      You got it right - they only use 50/4000 = about 1% efficient....for the heat they actually remove from the system

      Also realize that they only made use of a small portion of the temperature drop. Assuming they had a cold sink of infinite (relatively) mass, they should get a temperature drop of approx 65 C, assuming a typical icelandic 10 C temperature. So take that ratio as well and they made use of only about 0.4% of the maximum Carnot efficiency.

      However, carnot efficiency is capped as well - you can never get all the heat in the water - so then multiply by the carnot efficiency found from 75 C and 10C, which is 0.19. So now we're down to an absolute efficiency of about 0.06%. Not too good...

      To get the absolute efficiency the easy way, take 50g/s of water, and multiply by the temperature of the hot source, and also by the heat capacity of the material. Then divide the actual power by that.

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  8. oh a wicked idea comes to mind by sckeener · · Score: 3, Funny

    This generator could for example be useful in the chemical industry where many production processes generate a lot of excess heat that normally is simply lost.

    I have a request. I need something that works with body temp and here's what I'd do:
    Flip the power breakers off the night of my honey's favorite movie and tell her that the backup generator works off body heat. Oh course it'd be my luck that she'd tell me to start doing jumping jacks....

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  9. Bottoming-cycle engines... by Spamalamadingdong · · Score: 3, Interesting

    is the term you are looking for. Fuel is apparently still too cheap to make them worthwhile for things like cars; people would rather pay for the extra gas. AFAIK, even heavy trucks are still not using turbocompounding to squeeze the extra few percent out of their diesels. This is odd, because I read about Caterpillar designing a near-adiabatic diesel with turbocompounding around a decade ago, yett there's nothing on the market (but at least they're talking about it).