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Homing In On Laser Weapons

Bloodmoon1 writes "I just came across this article at GlobalSecurity.org that gives a very good summary of the current status of solid-state lasers as weapons. It gives you a good idea of where the JSF Laser system is at and just how much time, effort, and money has went into this project. Also has some basic, but very sufficent, explanations of some of the science behind the technology."

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  1. Is it just me... by danro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "is hot on ... the notion of zapping people,"

    Is it just me, or does this make someone else worried.
    That man is kind of scary...

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    1. Re:Is it just me... by Znork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He's also a complete moron. The next sentance:

      "Lasers are in line with Rumsfeld's idea of transforming the military, which is to come up with wonder-weapons that other countries can't emulate."

      Uh, yeah. Guerillas, the Taliban, etc all have these huge stinger factories and AK factories, because they're really actually making them themselves.

      Riiiight.

      Just like everything else it'll take a year or two and then it's out on the weapons market and in five years more people like Saddam and the Taliban have laser batteries slicing and dicing US bombers into teeny weeny metal squares.

      Other countries dont emulate weapons. They buy them, steal them, smuggle them or are given them. One thinks that a defense secretary would know this, but apparently learning requires actually having a brain. Maybe he can buy one on the black market.

  2. E = mc? by Cutie+Pi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The technology turns atomic particles into light with enough radiation to damage an object it encounters."

    Umm... anyone know how that is supposed to happen?

    But seriously, I'm sick and tired of science related articles being written by journalists with no clue about the science they're writing about. These articles should be checked for accuracy by the people the story is about.

  3. Re:Mirrors by Zathrus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not really.

    Most mirrors are only about 95% reflective. The other 5% is transmitted through the mirror and absorbed (either by the mirror itself or the backing). Really good mirrors are about 99% reflective.

    Now, let's assume that somehow you manage to "chrome" a missile such that it's 99% reflective (not bloody likely in real life, but we're talking theory here). Someone targets a 100 kW laser at you. The mirror reflects/scatters 99 kW of the energy, while 1 kW is absorbed by the missile itself.

    It takes 216 kWs to heat 11 kg of steel by 10 deg C. Certainly you're not going to be able to keep the laser on the mirror for 216 seconds. But, that's ok, that's not the point. All you have to do is melt the mirror at contact point, degrading its reflectance so you can effect the missile itself. So how long does it take to boil the mirror into vapor? Probably a couple seconds. After which you have no effective defense and the 100 kW beam will boil off enough of the missile to render it ineffective. After all, you don't have to destroy it -- just alter the aerodynamics enough so it's incapable of targeting correctly.

    You could spin the missile to reduce spot heating, but that's going to complicate guidance considerably. And, frankly, I doubt that you'll get more than 80% reflectance on this sucker, which changes the equation drastically. And, of course, your maintainance crew didn't leave any oil, grease, or fingerprints on the missile casing right? Uh huh.

    The main stumbling block to SDI was tracking, targeting, and blasting a laser through several miles of atmosphere - all in about 10 seconds after launch. That or you wait until the ICBM is in space, in which case you now have to destroy (not merely damage) a dozen warheads and a couple dozen dummys. Which means you now have 20-30 targets to destroy in 30 seconds instead of 1 target in 10 seconds. Fun!

  4. Re:I'm torn... by sql*kitten · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But then there is that overly logical Marine in me that says sounds unreliably. Much rather have a tried and true missile.

    I've no doubt that the first laser weapons will be pretty poor. But back in the 50s there were probably overly logical Marines just like you saying they'd rather have a tried-and-true machine gun fitted to their planes. Once a concept has been proved to work, the military have a history of being quickly able to turn it into something practical.

  5. Power source Re:Not a feasible weapon by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, gee...I guess if you can power a laser pointer strong enough to blind you with a couple of AAA batteries, a 747 or Navy destroyer can supply enough power to run a laser strong enough to affect an incoming missile.

  6. Re:Asteroids by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ah, yes, I can see it now. A large (Texas sized) asteroid is headed for Earth. Our satellite laser system springs into action, burning small holes and heating up the asteroid a fraction of a degree before it slams into Earth. Lasers work on missiles because they have gobs of explosive and fiddly electronics packed in a small space, whereas an asteroid is a big dumb rock that doesn't care if it's 1% less massive when it hits the Earth.

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  7. Re:Tactically Flawed by sql*kitten · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The big disadvantage to large laser weapons is that they give away their precise position since laser beams travel in perfectly straight lines.

    You might think so, but tracer ammo has been around since WW2 and it's still in use today. That suggests that being able to locate a weapon that is firing at you while it is firing isn't as big a tactical advantage as it might first appear.

  8. Re:We`ll have to by MrFredBloggs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "a 100KW IR laser will vaporize pretty much anything that's not *perfectly* reflective, i.e. anything we can build with current technology."

    yeah, but if you need to prevent this sort of thing from happening to keep your planes/boats/trucks up and running, then its worth looking into solutions. Who knows what`ll be effective? Perhaps some sort of sand/concrete which will degrade pleasantly? Layers of shiny foil which peels off revealing more foil below. Also, non/slow moving lasers will be the perfect target for counter-weapons to lock onto if they`re active for a few seconds at a time - usually you`d just get a flash as the weapon was fired - now you`ll have `I am here!` flashing lights (& heat).

  9. Forget Stealth technology then... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If you build your aircraft/missle out of reflective materials to counteract lasers, your going to make it a large target for radar.

    Stealth material generally works by absorbing the energy. The two defences won't be able to co-exist.

    1. Re:Forget Stealth technology then... by Helter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They won't have to... Think about how a stealth aircrafts defenses work. They don't defeat a missiles blast, they defeat the tracking mechanism that controls the missile.

      A laser weapon would STILL have to be targetted somehow. If the radar array can't see the aircraft the laser can't track/destroy it.

  10. Geneva convention by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wonder what the Geneva Convention will be modified to say about this.

  11. Re:targeting system? by glesga_kiss · · Score: 3, Insightful
    They are extremely cool to see in action, of course.

    Provided you aren't relying on them to down a real inbound threat!

  12. Re:gimme war by Stonehand · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The simplest way to invite war is to not be prepared for it -- either in terms of actual power, or psychological capability.

    One of the reasons why the Great Powers were able to roundly abuse other nations is that they /had/ the power. Militarily weak nations have, historically, been treated as such...

    And when nations, in the name of international law and peace, turn the other cheek to an aggressor when those same laws are abused, the results are generally obvious -- the aggression continues. Condemnations have never practically stopped a massacre, nor have battalions been routed by a tongue-lashing, while negotiations fail when there is genuinely nothing to discuss because there is nothing of perceived satisfactory mutual benefit regarding an issue.

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    Only the dead have seen the end of war.