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Contracts in Cyberspace

phutureboy writes "In his online Journal of Interesting Economics, economist David D. Friedman (son of Nobel laureate Milton Friedman) presents some interesting ideas about the enforcement of contracts in cyberspace. The gist is that he sees a gradual shift away from public enforcement of contracts (i.e. government courts) to private enforcement (e.g. third party arbitration, reputationial enforcement). The rest of his site is interesting as well - he even has an archive of his open-source economics software, which includes a neat trading simulation game called Hansa."

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  1. you know what I hate about online contracts? by SuperDuG · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is forgetting to cancel them before my $2.99 trial membership is over...

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  2. private enforcement by wiredog · · Score: 4, Funny

    If youse don't comply wit da contract, we're gonna put yerse fingers in da car door. Den we're gonna close da door. See?

  3. Nice game. by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hansa looks interesting... conquer the world through EU financial hegemony! Muhahaha! Civ with fewer soldiers around; nice idea.

    Shame about the large images... not good in mid-slashdotting :-)

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  4. I have to agree by EnsGDT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems to me that third party contract enforcement is the only way to go. With the internationality of the internet, one single governmental entity isnt going to be able to take care of matters that may arise. Besides the fact that they have more important things to concern themselves with, they would most likely be out of their jurisdiction.
    On a seperate note, if this whole third party thing does progress, it may be an interesting buisness in get involved in. Either as an investor, or as a "contract enforcer" if you will. heh

  5. International Law by CatWrangler · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The big concern I see, is not so much local laws dealing with internet transactions, but when the transactions apply internationally.

    There are also questions of jurisdiction. If you buy something from a company in Mexico, which is a subsidiary of a US company, but they outsource their credit collection to a group in Canada, and you are a resident of the U.K., which country's courts does the company use to seek redress against you if you fail to live up to your contract?

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  6. Private enforcement of contract not new by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Funny

    The private enforcement of contracts has been around for quite some time.

    It was especially popular in Kansas City, during Prohibition.

    However, I was not aware that the legality of this means of enforcement had been accepted.

    If it has, then I must see a man about some spammer's patellas, and the forceful restructuring thereof...

  7. Arbitration isn't novel but anonymous contrats are by mr_teem · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The trend toward third-party arbitration has been happening for a while. The arbitration process, as I have read, is cheaper for both parties and quicker to resolve. So, I'm not certain why this is seen as a novel trend.

    On the other hand, the development of contract assurance techniques for dealings with anonymous parties for open purposes is rather novel. Ordering a pallet of widgets from digital signature 7YkkeL33Tphubar6 is a little more shaky than ordering them from ACME Co.'s.

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  8. The Good Dr. Friedman by Effugas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Whoa, Friedman made Slashdot. Not bad.

    Dr. Friedman is quite a character -- I was lucky enough to chat with him a couple times; he teaches at Santa Clara University and by some peculiar twist of fate I now possess a degree from there. So we ended up going to the same talks every once in a while -- quirky guy, occasionally reminds you of the late 90's when people really acted like the Internet Was Going To Change Humanity or something.

    Friedman's paper is overall pretty reasonable, but his calculations seem to ignore the *tremendous* nonlinearity in our responsiveness to bad news. Ten people can tell you a restaurant is good, but if one says it's bad, you're probably not going to eat there. Paypal can pass a million good transactions a year, and it only takes a couple thousand questionable ones to really make a visible impact on their quality of service. Simply having one's reputation questioned tarnishes it -- indeed, one reason so many cases settle, or go to binding arbitration, is to keep major conflicts quiet.

    It's in this context that arbitration servers have a problem. If they downgrade reputation as humans do, those who are downgraded may complain -- with apparent statistical cause -- that their otherwise good service is being mucked up by the inevitable screwups. But if they *don't*, their data is quite useless relative to the weighing the human mind does, and nobody would ever trust them.

    Now, as an economist, Friedman would probably use this as an example of how humans are irrational...I doubt that. Consider the nonlinearity a form of damage multiplication...one transaction may be tweaked to make more money, but this will impact a hundred other transactions, that will thus cause a net loss of money. This means nobody can be screwed over -- everyone must get fair service. Without nonlinearity, it's always worthwhile to screw 1-5% percent of your clientele.

    The news have it right -- bad news is much more interesting, and it should be.

    For what it's worth, I do suspect that a cross-jurisdictional system will spawn to handle global commerce, and I think it'll be a combination of Friedman and Visa. Anonymity in financial transactions is pretty doomed -- we've just gotten accustomed to handing over our wallet, and hoping we get it all back -- but my expectation is that person-to-person cash transfer over distance will be formalized, arbitrated, and most of all -- insured. There will be reputational work, but it'll be in the same context we already have institutionalized reputations -- credit checks. It's *much* more likely that we'll see ebay feedback on your Visa web page than we'll see some funky distributed arbitration notices system.

    Visa, you see, has one major advantage: The arbitration systems that Friedman describes are great for stopping the *next* fraud, but they don't do anything about *this* one. This is the big deal about government, folks -- they may not prevent crime directly, but they sure as hell respond to it. It's not like there's a murder, and the cops are like, wow, we better prevent any gun stores from letting this guy in, but that's all we can do :-)

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    Dan Kaminsky
    DoxPara Research
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    1. Re:The Good Dr. Friedman by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 3, Informative

      You should read his book, _Law's Order_. He goes into great detail about the difference between, and effects of, punishing crime versus preventing crime.
      -russ

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  9. Off to the Gulag, you EULA-violator! by JonTurner · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It seems to me that third party contract enforcement is the only way to go.

    Not so fast there, Skippy. There is one significant difference between private parties and government; government can use force to get what it wants and private industry cannot. What you're promoting is granting a private party the authority to use force to further its interests. Not a good thing. Why? Picture the MPAA or their hired help with the authority to kick down your door and drag you off to interrogation if they suspect you've violated a term of your licensing agreement. Any questions?

    Don't just do something, stand there!

  10. CEOs Will Decide How Long Nations Last by serutan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On the one hand, business gets separate, cooperative environments for dirt-cheap labor, pollution, safety issues, and so forth. On the other hand, the increasingly confusing legal issues between jurisdictions make it difficult to estimate liability. A balkanized world would provide better business opportunities if other people's lawyers weren't so clever. Oh, what to do, what to do?

    We can debate this in terms of political philosophy, if we want to sound like those peasants by the ditch in that Monty Python movie. But the ultimate fate of the world's separate governments is a function of their utility to people who have enough money to force their decisions on politicians. My guess is that eventually we will have a single world government, but it will happen when the bigger corps decide that it's better for them.

  11. Anakin attack by henben · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One problem I see with all this reputation-based stuff - how does it prevent attacks like this: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-11-530012.html?legacy=zd nn where someone builds up a good rating through legit deals, then "turns to the dark side" and suddenly commits a big fraud? Do you limit the size of trade that can be made to be less than the accumulated 'value' (by some measure) of the existing reputation?

  12. Concerns with Private Enforcement by thefinite · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am a big free market fan, but free market only works well with enforcement of agreements made in the market. Concerns I would have in this case:

    1) Would the enforcement be impartial? Private enforcement tends to be prone to vigilante behavior.

    2) Would the enforcement be legal? In the various countries, there are laws of libel, monopoly power, etc. that could raise some concerns.

    3) Would the enforcement be respected? What power could it really yield without violating the first two issues?

    4)Would the enforcement be accountable for its actions? How can the community concerned be sure to have the right people making the important decisions?

    All in all, these are the reasons ours and other legal systems do a great job of fostering a relatively free market. Private enforcement tends to fall prey to this and other problems. Just look at all of the recent issues with ICANN for an example of some of these problems.

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  13. Fixed link by henben · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry, correct link.