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Slashback: Eldred, Cruise, SOAP

Slashback tonight with several updates, ranging from patent encumbrances to SOAP 1.2 to the transcript for Eldred v. Ashcroft, with more bits in the middle on the recent Geek Cruise in the Caribbean, the all-important cable TV lineups, and more. Read on below for the details! A little light reading. hayek writes "The transcript of oral argument at the Supreme Court in Eldred v. Ashcroft is now available online."

And then we saw the sharks. a9db0 writes "Part II of Doc Searl's travelogue recounting his experiences on the Geek Cruise has been posted here by the fine folks over at the Linux Journal"

In an earlier report from Geek Cruise, Linus predicted 2.6 by June 2003. If you liked the list of features being considered for 2.6, you can thank puriots0 for "the list of what's been included in time for the feature freeze for Linux 2.6", as found at kernelnewbies.org.

Peel back your eyelids and let these images flood your brain. strredwolf writes "I think we had half the story when Cartoon Network said they were going to remove Zoids and G Gundam in their Toonami block. It was more like remove Zoids, move G Gundam to Midnight Run with GI Joe, put HeMan and Transformers on full weekdays, and double up on DB and DBZ. The website and broadcast prove it now. (This report was done while watching to Toonami live.)"

And Stalke writes "Recently, rumours about Stargate SG1 7th season included it both being renewed as well as speculation that it might be cancelled. MGM and Scifi put those rumours to rest today by officially announcing a 7th season. It will begin filming next year with a full 22 episodes ordered. No word about Daniel Jackson returning though :("

Cracking down on alien fraudsters. yep writes "Administrators of the alien-hunting distributed computing experiment SETI@home have announced they will crack down on cheats who rort statistics on computing power lent to the project. The announcement follows a united protest from the chief contributors. SETI@home director David Anderson announced SETI@home would do its best to investigate users returning suspiciously high amounts of work and delete their accounts if it uncovered solid evidence of cheating."

Sure they're not. tiltowait writes "The Hartford Courant article "The FBI Has Bugged Our Public Libraries" has been retracted (this was mentioned here - but the older article has been removed). Even if the retraction can be trusted, this doesn't change the fact that the FBI can still bug libraries as freely as the CIA can assasinate with impunity, or that more McCarthyism is on the way."

This story retracts the claims of bugging made in the previous one. Since the FBI has little incentive to tell the truth on this count, I don't see what incentive anyone has to believe their denial.

Cleaning up the future for SOAP. Makarand writes "A major hurdle in finalizing the SOAP 1.2 specification has been removed. Both Epicentric, a subsidiary of Vignette, and WebMethods, which makes integration software, had said in earlier statements that they may have patents that cover the technology used in the SOAP 1.2 specification which would have made SOAP 1.2 non royalty-free hindering approval by W3C. Epicentric has now amended its earlier statement saying they no longer believe they hold any such patents, and even if they did, they are interested in making them available on a royalty-free basis. WebMethods has made no comments yet."

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  1. Direct link to a 50 page PDF file? by ekrout · · Score: 5, Funny

    If I were you guys I'd probably avoid Slashdotting the Supreme Court...

    Just a thought, though, not a sermon ;-)

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    1. Re:Direct link to a 50 page PDF file? by RudeDude · · Score: 3, Informative
      Reposting, I screwed up my own HTML previously

      If their site DOES get Slashdotted...
      The 144KB (*ahem* KiB) PDF is also here.

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    2. Re:Direct link to a 50 page PDF file? by bedessen · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you don't want to read the PDF version of Lessig's arguments, I have converted it to HTML and formatted it for your enjoyment. Here is the link.

      (If you're like me, you find it highly annoying reading a PDF file of pure text, double-spaced with line numbers.)

  2. SciFi by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "MGM and Scifi put those rumours to rest today by officially announcing a 7th season. It will begin filming next year with a full 22 episodes ordered."

    Yea? I remeber when SciFi and Jim Henson annouced more seasons of Farscape and full seasons ordered.

  3. FBI Conspiracy Theory by CatWrangler · · Score: 5, Funny
    OK... The FBI may or may not be bugging libraries. The FBI is closely in alliance with the Secret Service. The Secret Service is run by the Treasury Department. The Treasury Department is run by Paul O'Neil, who used to run Alcoa. Alcoa is the largest producer in the world of Tin Foil.

    It all makes sense folks. The truth is out there.

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    1. Re:FBI Conspiracy Theory by aero6dof · · Score: 3, Funny

      So what does this have to do with Kevin Bacon?

  4. Vulernability of SETI@home to cheats by Samir+Gupta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why don't they use a standard principle of distributed systems: just send out the same work unit to multiple machines and teams, and use some cross-comparison scheme to detect anamolies? Work units that disagree with the majority are flagged as invalid.

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    1. Re:Vulernability of SETI@home to cheats by cduffy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They do that -- but one of the methods of cheating is copying the results of that one completed work unit and returning it without recomputation when another machine on the same team is asked to double-check it.

      One obvious solution -- distributing a work unit only once to each team -- comes to mind, but without being on the team I can't comment as to relevant practical concerns.

    2. Re:Vulernability of SETI@home to cheats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because what MANY of the cheats are doing is to take an *almost* finished work unit, then distribute that to a whole bunch of machines to finish and subsequently report. Thus, they flood back a tremendous number of identical (and valid) work units and get credit for many more work units than could possibly be done with the actual hardware that they have.

      These cheats aren't diluting the validity of the results, only getting credit for huge quantities of work units. (Though one could argue that they are disrupting things by chewing up bandwidth) Credit is one of the reasons that folks volunteer to do SETI@Home, so this could also cause people to loose interest and drop out if not corrected.

    3. Re:Vulernability of SETI@home to cheats by Alsee · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why don't they use a standard principle of distributed systems: just send out the same work unit to multiple machines and teams, and use some cross-comparison scheme to detect anamolies? Work units that disagree with the majority are flagged as invalid.

      That is PRECISELY what that they are said to be abusing. One machine completes 99% of a work unit, that unit is then passed on to a hundred other machines. They each complete the last 1% and all hand in correct units. The cross-check program verifies that they all agree and flags them all as valid, they all get credit.

      The good news it that this does not currupt any of the results. The bad news is that the "work done" figures are hosed and that worthless data is burning up bandwidth and processor time on the central servers.

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  5. Library by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Couldn't some /.er go to the library in question and investigate the computers? See if there is something running in the background or a keylogger on the keyboard? *That* would be interesting, indeeeeed. I would be interested to see what library patrons have been doing to circumvent and/or expose any attempts at skullduggery by the feds.

    1. Re:Library by ender81b · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Allright I work at a university research library so I can possibly answer this for you. For one, no we haven't had the FBI knocking on our door so that is good. But, as to how they would do this i have a few theories.

      I doubt they would run anything on the computers themselves using a program or a keylogger, mainly because it is too much work and ALOT of people would have to know about. I mean, we have 176 public computers and around 200 staff computers throughout all our branches they would have to bug. And to do that they would have to involve at least 3 people PLUS the student techs who administer the machines and work in the labs. I would doubt they would bother with it, considering the work to log 500 some machines. Doesn't seem worth their time.

      Instead, and much more likely, they would track the people's book browsing habits. Our library uses a third-party system called IRIS (innovative research something something) to handle our online card catalog, which happens to be our only card catalog. Now things become more interesting. Since all queries (seaching for books, journals, etc, etc) are tracked by IP and logged automatically by the IRIS machine in the first place - to see interests in books and what we can keep or send to storage, not part of some grand conspiracy - all the FBI would have to do is ask for the logs. Then, assuming they know which computer the suspect was at, match the IP's with the queries. Also if they wanted stuff like book checkout records, etc, etc, they could just grab it from the IRIS machine. Basically, this would be relatively easy for them and only 1-2 people who have to know. And, even better, the general public would be oblivious. You could also set up the database to only report certain queries for books, and the like. I mean the infrastructure is there, all they have to do is turn it on/customize it to what they need.

      The only way you could find out about it is if you had access to the IRIS machine. And, sorry guys, that ain't going to happen unless you work there. So don't go to your local library looking for key loggers you aren't going to find any. Now, personally, I am a lowly student computer tech so I have absolutely no say in this but it is somewhat scary to think of.

      Also, they could just deploy packet sniffers, etc, etc on the LAN.

    2. Re:Library by Grail · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Then, assuming they know which computer the suspect was at, match the IP's with the queries.

      You've got it backwards.

      The FBI isn't interested in finding out what queries have been made by dangerous suspects. What the FBI will be doing is looking for dangerous queries (people pulling out copies of "Catcher in the Rye" for example), and thus locating their next suspect.

      So be careful about your book borrowing habits. Rather than borrowing books, buy them. Buy books from stores using only cash. Only buy one book per transaction. Buy your books from different stores. Never visit the same store twice in a row.

      And remember - trust no-one.

  6. No matter what a stripper tells you by cscx · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's no sex on the Geek Cruise. None. Oh, there's geeks on the Geek Cruise -- but you don't want geeks. You want sex. And there's no sex on the Geek Cruise.

  7. Why couldn't I go on the cruise? by ekrout · · Score: 5, Funny

    Free cruises are a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of free as in free speech, not as in free beer.

    Free cruises are a matter of the vacationers' freedom to sail to, study, change and improve cities all across the globe. More precisely, it refers to four kinds of freedom, for the users of the cruise:

    - The freedom to ride on any ship, for any purpose (freedom 0).
    - The freedom to study how the ship works, and adapt it to your vacationing needs (freedom 1).
    - The freedom to redistribute free cruise passes so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).
    - The freedom to improve the cruise, and release your improvements to the event coordinator, so that the whole community benefits. (freedom 3).

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    1. Re:Why couldn't I go on the cruise? by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Remember, boarding a ship without permission from the ship owner makes you a PIRATE.

  8. Patents on SOAP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is that why RMS doesn't use it?

  9. ISPs and e-mail disclosure by wytcld · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The McCarthyism link is to a Wired story about a law now likely to pass the Senate allowing the FBI to gain ISP e-mail records without warrant. All the more reason to get your own fixed IP and run your own mailserver. If I'm my ISP for mail, can they demand I turn over the records of my e-mail from my own computer in my home without a warrant? For those whose cable services block outgoing port 25 ... tough.

    Of course, having read this, Ashcroft's Ashellians will require licenses on mail servers....

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    1. Re:ISPs and e-mail disclosure by brer_rabbit · · Score: 3, Informative

      Won't they just tap your inbound/outbound connections upstream? I agree running your own mail server does have it advantages, but security from your upstream ISP doesn't seem like one of them.

  10. FBI, Libraries, and You by carb · · Score: 4, Funny
    Well, if I recall back to David Fincher's "Seven", there's an interesting scene where Morgan Freeman's character explains to Brad Pitt's character that the country has specific books flagged, and that if you're reading them, they know it (or something to that degree).

    My point here is - I've never known movies to be wrong.

  11. A new low... by igaborf · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...even for /.

    Let's see... the FBI says the report wasn't true, the city librarian says the report wasn't true, the reporter says the report wasn't true, and the reporter's two anonymous sources say the story wasn't true. And the delusional /. editor's response? "Since the FBI has little incentive to tell the truth on this count, I don't see what incentive anyone has to believe their denial."

    Un-fucking-believable.

    1. Re:A new low... by abe+ferlman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... igaborf says it's not true, everyone believes her.

      The dear editor's point was that a retraction of a story about espionage is at least as likely to be caused by pressure as by error, and probably more so since there could be serious consequences to making up such a story, so it's not something one enters into lightly.

      It's called plausible deniability.

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    2. Re:A new low... by Alsee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, there is the little point that any source that did confirm the story would get hit with some serious federal prison time. In case you don't want to bother looking at the original slashdot story, it said:

      "There's a gag order. When the FBI uses a court order or a subpoena to gain access to library computers or a list of the names of people who have borrowed certain books, librarians can't tell anyone - not even other librarians or you. They face a stiff federal penalty if they do."

      It's one of the lovely provisions of the USAPATRIOT Act. If patriotism means locking up librarians then I'm no patriot. Blowing up a handfull of buildings isn't going to destroy America, but gutting the constitution can.

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    3. Re:A new low... by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Considering the FBI's history, I don't blame /. .
      The FBI is not above threatening to put people in jail over these issues.

      For me, the FBI needs to go beyond just saying it wasn't true.
      No I don't think this is a huge conspiecy, or that the FBI is out to get me, but they have a pretty abusive history, so I take everything they say with a lump of salt.

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  12. the FBI has ways of making you believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    This story retracts the claims of bugging made in the previous one. Since the FBI has little incentive to tell the truth on this count, I don't see what incentive anyone has to believe their denial.

    Early tomorrow morning, around 4:30am, you will receive some surprise guests at your door, and after they let themselves in, you will learn exactly what your incentive is.

    Hint: save yourself a lot of trouble and have your computers unplugged and boxed up.

    By tomorrow afternoon, I predict you too will retract your statement.

    A Friend

  13. Live in fear by Tailhook · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "doesn't change the fact that the FBI can still bug libraries as freely as the CIA can assassinate with impunity, or that more McCarthyism is on the way."

    You diminish the tragedy of McCarthy with your excited little exaggerations.

    As for the CIA capping terrorists:
    "..hey man, nice shot!" - Filter

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  14. Until It's You by Myriad · · Score: 5, Insightful
    As for the CIA capping terrorists:
    "..hey man, nice shot!" - Filter

    Read this, particularly the part about the three peasants.

    What if someone were to turn around and declare you a terrorist?

    Still finding it such a good idea?

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  15. Yeah... Riigggghhhhhhtttt... by Lokni · · Score: 3, Interesting

    IMO, the fact that the librarians refused to discuss the matter of the FBI tapping the computers and stuff like that is solid evidence that the FBI is IN FACT doing it. If the FBI was NOT doing it, the Librarian would have said straight up the FBI has not contacted us and is not bugging anything. IMO, the fact that the librarian refused to talk about it, shows that she has been briefed by the FBI on what to say if questioned about the bugging.

  16. what a good slashback! by sweatyboatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    this is like the best slashback ever. so much interesting stuff. wow. I feel so in the know.

    no, I'm not kidding.

    in all seriousness. good job /. people

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  17. INSIGHTFUL?!? by MacAndrew · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please, there is no Supreme Court ruling re MS. Not even close. The case was settled, so if you want to blame someone, blames the Bush Administration Justice Department for the weak terms it sought, or more importantly the portions of the case it simply dropped after winning on them (e.g., tying).

    But, anyway, NOT insightful.

  18. Re:Can we trust the Supreme Court? by ajakk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course you know that the Supreme Court has never ruled on the Microsoft case except to deny the appeal by Microsoft from the Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit and to deny the fasttrack from Judge Jackson. The Supreme Court is not flooded with corporate cash at all. The justices are very open about all of their money, and it is stupid to claim that they are corrupt puppets.

  19. Re:the CIA can assasinate with impunity by Lucas+Membrane · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does Bush's position as Commander in Chief make him a combatant and a legit target of the enemy? If not, why not? If so, is he not an 'illegal combatant', since he is usually wearing neither uniform nor conspicuous insignia?

  20. You are a jealous bully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't find these sorts of comments funny or insightful in any way. And they always show up on Slashdot.

    Didn't you get bullied when you were in school? Didn't you have enough of that?

    To better understand your comment, I'll rephrase it thusly:

    "RMS is funny, and I don't understand him. He says things that cause me to think. He says things that threaten my livelihood. He speaks out where I am afraid to. He is confident in his ideas.

    Kick kick kick. I cannot deal with him. Kick Kick Kick.

    I am small and by kicking RMS I can be big."

    Myself, I wish I could understand and phrase an argument as clearly and succinctly as RMS. I wish I could code as well as RMS. I wish I had made a contribution to my profession 1/1000th as important as either emacs, gcc, or GNU. I wish I had the balls to speak as freely as RMS. I wish I wasn't as enamored of money as I am, maybe then I could follow my dreams of activism, and I thank RMS for following his. I thank RMS for his contributions to our profession and to society, and for making arguments that cause me much grief when I think about them.

    1. Re:You are a jealous bully by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Since this stupid joke got to 5, and the retort is still at zero, I'm copying it so its more visible:
      I don't find these sorts of comments funny or insightful in any way. And they always show up on Slashdot.

      Didn't you get bullied when you were in school? Didn't you have enough of that?

      To better understand your comment, I'll rephrase it thusly:

      "RMS is funny, and I don't understand him. He says things that cause me to think. He says things that threaten my livelihood. He speaks out where I am afraid to. He is confident in his ideas.

      Kick kick kick. I cannot deal with him. Kick Kick Kick.

      I am small and by kicking RMS I can be big."

      Myself, I wish I could understand and phrase an argument as clearly and succinctly as RMS. I wish I could code as well as RMS. I wish I had made a contribution to my profession 1/1000th as important as either emacs, gcc, or GNU. I wish I had the balls to speak as freely as RMS. I wish I wasn't as enamored of money as I am, maybe then I could follow my dreams of activism, and I thank RMS for following his. I thank RMS for his contributions to our profession and to society, and for making arguments that cause me much grief when I think about them.

    2. Re:You are a jealous bully by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 3
      I really am not intending to defend RMS (and that message wasn't actually my composition), but rather I agreed with the sentiment that this hostility is all too reminicent of a bully. There's a lot of people who think they're better than RMS and the bizarre people like him, but they feel that way without any justification. They ascribe to be cool, where apathy is the greatest achievement.

      I have often defended Stallman not because he needs it, but because he is one of the most sincere people I can think of. In this cynical society it is very hard to be sincere, and it always opens you up to criticism. But I hate cynicism, and I strive to be more sincere myself. I defend him because that sincerity is something I aspire to.

      I don't like the term "geek" -- somewhere along the line it lost its meaning, because too many idiots took that term for themselves as though it was something cool. It cannot ever be cool to be a geek -- they are opposites. A real geek -- not just a socially awkward person -- has a passion that is not diluted for social ends. I am offended when that passion is ridiculed. And usually that ridicule comes from people who are mediocre and self-centered. But I respond because coolness can be infectious -- or at least the aspiration of cool. I hope only that someone will see how empty that path is.

  21. Re:Eldred's Question Time by Anomalous+Canard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not at all.

    First of all, it's difficult to tell which way the Justices are leaning from the questions. They've done their homework and read all thr briefs. They know Lessig's argument. What they are doing in the questioning is testing the argument to find its weaknesses. The stronger the argument, the harder the questions.

    When you get down to SG Olsen's questioning, you'll see how thoroughly they demolish his position. "Whatever limit Congress sets as long as its finite" is a non-starter. Later on the Justices joked about theatre boxes in England being leased for 900 years. It's finite in mathematical terms, but unlimited in practical terms.

    The real question for the court is how too define appropriate limits to Congressional powers that give meaning to the phrase "limited times" without usurping the Congressional function of setting the limit. They don't want to be in a position of having to say x years is OK, but y years is too long. Lessig has offered them a meaningful place to put that limit. SG Olsem has not.

    They are also concerned that the argument which defeats the CTEA defeats the 1976 act as well. Lessig's own brief distinguishes the two and the clerks know this if the Justices don't.

    Reading the transcript gave me hope. Several of the Justices got the point that Lessig was making. There is a real liklihood of a positive outcome. Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy and Breyer are likely yesses. There's only one more needed.

    It's a little more informative to read the transcript which was posted to the web a few weeks ago. Someone put in the names of the Justices which this official transcript lacks. Also read Lessig's blog. I think he has real reasons to feel confident.

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  22. Cancelled by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Funny
    MGM and Scifi put those rumours to rest today by officially announcing a 7th season.
    Yes, but then they cancelled when they realized they wouldn't get the full 95 years of copyright protection to recover their investment. 75 years just wasn't enough.
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  23. Better yet... by goldfndr · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Rather than a limit of work units to people, how about a unique identifier attached to each work unit - perhaps a hash or signature for WU and date/time and user? Then filter/reject any duplicate identifiers.

    I'd imagine they have some sort of rejection method right now (in case someone tries to upload /dev/random), but I don't know how much overhead this would involve.

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  24. If that were true, I'd have been visited by now by brokeninside · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Then again, maybe that's why I was visited by the Secret Service last winter.

  25. 'Simple' Object Access Protocol? by truth_revealed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Have you read the SOAP 1.2 specification lately? Nevermind the XML Schema and HTTP 1.1 specifications which SOAP also uses. These specs are far from "simple". SOAP seems to be slowly turning into an XML version of CORBA. XMLRPC, on the other hand, is simple. The Jabber protocol is even simpler yet - no HTTP transport. Something that starts off simple is usually transformed into something quite different after committees of software development firms get a hold of it. It's in their interest to keep the barrier to entry high.

  26. CIA assassination? by Hard_Code · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "the CIA can assasinate with impunity"

    And not only that...it can assassinate US citizens. "Administration officials, intelligence operatives and military analysts...praised the CIA strikes as an innovative way to get the job done." You know that whole "pre-emptive strike" debate? Well it's over now. Everybody grab their sled because we're in for a nice ride down this slippery slope from moral highground! Weeeee!

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