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Tidal Power a Reality

updog writes "Here's an interesting story about a city in Norway using an underwater turbine to generate electricity. It doesn't produce much power (300kW) but maybe it'll pave the way for these types of power plants. Maybe one under the Golden Gate someday??"

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  1. Environmental concerns by Devil's+BSD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What kind of environmental concerns will be raised about this? I remember the project in Canada or whatever (name slips me right now, some big bay) that was being considered for damming to produce tidal power. However, because of the amount of water involved, it would change water levels all over the world. Obviously, this does not involve a dam, but wouldn't the turbine harm aquatic life, and how would the turbines disrupt normal sediment flow?

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  2. News? by Alu3205 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not sure why this is even a big deal. As the article states there are bigger and better tidal power stations. The La Rance power station in France has almost 8 times the capacity and is 40 years old.

    Nothing earth shattering that I can see.

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  3. Small can be good by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    300 kWh may not be much on its own, but it may be better in the long run to rely on many smaller forms of energy production than a few large, heavily centralized systems that rely on actively polluting fuel (ie, coal, oil, gas, nuclear). A combination of wind turbines, solar arrays, and hydroelectric generators could be enough to take much of the load away from large fossil/nuclear plants, thus reducing the amount of fuel those facilities need to use.

    I have this notion in the back of my head of new homes, and many older homes, being upgraded to include some small form of power generation - a solar array, or more likely a small wind turbine, to supply at least a bit of the home's own needs. Since you can still have a grid power system, homes can supplement each other, cutting part of the grid wouldn't necessarily cut all the power.
    The expense would be horrid until these devices became more common, and energy companies could make up for losses in pure energy sales by providing maintanence and installation packages - that is, if you're the kind of capitalist that looks for these kind of opportunities.

    Think of it as having a network where, instead of one big central server trying to handle everyone's programs and data, each host can handle most of its own data and processing, and the server's just there for the things that the hosts can't handle on their own:)

    Opinions and nitpicks about this greatly appreciated...

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  4. Think TCO by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Before I go into moaning, let me make it clear that I am delighted to see trials of things that are net yet eco{nomicly,logicly} friendly, but which someday might be.

    OK. Now the moaning. The big problem is that people are always thinking in terms of "free" energy at the time of the electricity generation, instead of the Total Cost of Ownership, which includes the construction of the thing. Others have pointed this out, but I wanted to focus on the fallacy of romanticizing electricity generation with free fuel.

    The second thing is that with this, the bulk of whatever environmental damage occurs will be largely invisible. Still it might be very limited.

    Again, let me say that I am not against this project. I hope that this sort of thing leads to better technologies that are eco{nomically,logically} rational. We shouldn't expect a new thing to reach that at such an early trial. But again, I wish that people wouldn't romantize electricy generation based on "free" fuel sources.

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    1. Re:Think TCO by jouirau · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A lot of people who promote 'green' power use TCO (total cost of ownership) arguments. They argue that coal, oil and particularly nuclear fission have very high TCOs when the cost of decomissioning, infrastructure, polution and environmental restoration is taken into account.

      The article on this tidal current generator is very upfront about the costs of the project - so they are not really saying it is 'free'.

      Your concern about romanticising 'free' energy is a terminology issue. No serious renewable energy proponent would say renewable energy is 'free', (because typically most renewable energy technologies have high up front costs), but rather that by definition the energy _source_ is 'free' - ie renewable.

      The tidal example in this story is a prototype designed to use tidal power without having to construct a large dam (as per existing larger projects). The design goal seems to be: 'extract the energy from tidal currents without large earthworks so as to minimise the impact on sea life, and make it reliable and maintainable'. This design goal is what makes it new.

      If the UAT works out for this prototype then the next generation would have a much lower up front cost (less research cost, economy of scale etc) so the TCO would drop from the current $'s per kwh to hopefully a few cents per kwh. Even if it ends up being more expensive than other existing technologies (eg offshore wind) it may be applicable to some areas which have low wind resources or other limitation. (Variety is good, monlithic/monoculture is bad)

      Development of coal/oil/nuclear technologies went through similar improvements as they matured - helped along by large taxpayer subsidies - degrees of magnitude larger than any subsidies currently given to renewable energy R&D.

      Some rough price comparisons:
      TCO for wind generation is $0.03-$0.05 / kwh
      the price for coal without TCO is $0.04-$0.05 / kwh
      TCO for coal which includes costs of global warming, health damage, acid rain, site cleanup, centralised infrastructure etc could make that $0.1 - $0.2 / kwh
      TCO for nuclear fission - depends on the time frame for cleanup and the number of accidents (the cynic in me says ask the people who live near Chernobyl)

      The modern era requires energy sources that are tailored to the loads and situations where they are required. One solution/size does not fit all. There needs to be a mix of renewable and non renewable energy sources with an real public commitment to make the gradual but significant transition away from fossil fuels. There also needs to be public commitment to use energy more efficiently - good efficient design in every building, vehicle and appliance counts. As the price of oil grows exponentially in the next 50 years there will be plenty of incentive to move this way.