SCALE Talks Now Online

irabinovitch writes "LPBN caught all the SCALE talks on video and has them available online. Everything from the case for Linux in the University, to the latest 2.5 updates from Robert Love and Patrick Mochel."

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Really nice /.

[vreeker]

LPBN caught all the SCALE talks on video and has them available online. Everything from the case for Linux in the University, to the latest 2.5 updates from Robert Love and Patrick Mochel.

So we beat the fscking shit out of thier servers and rack up their bandwidth bills... how nice.

Re:Really nice /.

[Anonymous Coward]

Hmm... it seems like this happens 8 times out of 10. Can someone please tell me what it would take for us to be able to do a mirror of this stuff when it's posted? With all of the freakin geeks on this board, I'm sure we have the combined intelligence to build nuclear weapons... making something similar to google cache shouldn't take more than a week or two a the most.

Just think.. when an article is posted, we could actually read it! But then we wouldn't have anything to bitch about.

Re:Really nice /.

[mandolin]

Well as I clicked, I innocently thought that any site going by the moniker Low Ping Bastard Network would have the bandwidth nescessary to satisfy my curiosity.

Then I actually found out what LPBN stood for.

Re:Really nice /.

[geekd]

Can someone please tell me what it would take for us to be able to do a mirror of this stuff when it's posted?

Money.

Bandwidth costs money.

So they are thrashed the day they get posted. They will recover. Many many more of thier target audience now knows they exist. This is a net gain for the postee, whatever harm they get that first day.

Re:Really nice /.

[Anonymous Coward]

Read the FAQ on caching.

Re:Really nice /.

[bayankaran]

When one of those Slashdotted victims go to court things will change fast.

Re:Really nice /.

[irc.goatse.cx troll]

"I could try asking permission, but do you want to wait 6 hours for a cool breaking story while we wait for permission to link someone? "

This argument would hold some relevance if it wasnt for the fact that the sites that get hit hardest are the "Joe user adds window to his case" stories.

Not everything that gets posted is late breakign news, most of it is just cool stuff that could wait a few hours/days without anyone noticing.
Infact, I'd wager that the majority of the late breaking news comes from sites that can withstand the /. effect (bbc, nytimes, etc)

Re:Really nice /.

[blueroo]

Bandwidth costs money.

So its ok to save you money on bandwidth, but its not ok to save them money on bandwidth. Cute.

Is it a net gain if their bandwidth usage jumps 200% over their normal contractual amount, and they redline their pipe for hours on end? Do you have any idea how much that costs?

Re:Really nice /.

[Anonymous Coward]

You want to drive, you go by the rules of the road.

You want to be on the 'net, you obey the rules of the 'net! Using hyperlinks is the whole point of the Internet. Why you could get in trouble for linking to somebody is beyond me. Ever sad.

Re:Slahsdotted?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yea, some people like to read the article before posting. Imagine that!

Present company excluded of course... I'm illiterate so I post before I read the article.

Yeah we got Linux at our University....

[Dareth]

... and people get excited when they see LILO when it boots. Then they start asking questions, like what is this? Where can I get it? Is Di$ney's Stitch hiding in the blue background somewhere?

Somedays it just pays to wear a RedHat.

Linux in Universities

[locarecords.com]

I think the is an inescable argument for LINUX to be used in Universities. At my Uni we are looked into Microsoft campus agreements that are *impossible* to get out of without an exceedingly shocking leave clause. Now whoever signed that shouldn't have but now getting out is harder and people get used to their software and then Microsoft becomes a very expensive *need*

On the contrary if they had moved in an Open Source direction at least they would be spared this restrictive contract and they could have bought Office for those that were really keen rather than EVERYONE even *if they don't use M$ products!!!

Re:Linux in Universities

[Eskarel]

In most cases it's not the contract that binds them to continuing the use of microsoft products, but the fact that after the initial relatively cheap contract, the university and its substructures have become totally dependent on Microsoft Operating Systems. It's very difficult for a large scale university to change policy over night and as such, Microsoft pretty much has a license to print money when it comes to renewing said contract.

Problem with Open source alternatives is simply that it's more expensive to administer them, it's fairly easy to find someone qualified to keep a Windows or Mac lab running fairly well, but *nix systems require a tad more expertise to run properly.

Re:Linux in Universities

[Anonymous Coward]

if your definition of fairly well is a very broad definition.

I have yet to see a almost functional windows machine in a public lab, or if they did have a functional setup they would be broken by idoits inside of a week. Multi-user secruity in windows prety much dosen't exist, so it's quite annoying to be forced to use a public windows terminal.

Re:Linux in Universities

[Anonymous Coward]

Hindsight does nobody any good. But I guess it'd be wiser if your school'll think twice before signing another contract with M$ when the current one expires. Of course, wisdom shouldn't be expected from such bodies--they are "educational institutions" after all.

Here, we do have a contract with M$, but it involves only one college (Software Engineering). Thus, we're able to have Macs in Imaging Science, and Sun Workstations in CS. I don't think we have Linux boxes, and I'm not sure if the school's even considering a move to open source in any of the colleges.

It's funny how Mac's used to be the predominant machine in schools. Maybe in ten or twelve years, Linux will replace Windows. M$ already pees in their pants at even the slightest mention of Linux or Open Source, and for a good reason, I would say. After all, they are in a position in the educational segment of the market where Apple was not so long ago.

Re:Linux in Universities

[whereiswaldo]

Problem with Open source alternatives is simply that it's more expensive to administer them, it's fairly easy to find someone qualified to keep a Windows or Mac lab running fairly well, but *nix systems require a tad more expertise to run properly.

These days it's not hard to find someone who knows Linux or UNIX. With the current economy, you wouldn't have to pay them (much) more either.

Is it really more expensive to administer? I think that really depends on the skills of the administrator and the software you're talking about. As for an office suite running on Linux, it's no harder to use than MS Office. Try a recent distro! It's very easy to install and use.

One benefit you've overlooked is that once a Linux system is setup, you can let it run for years problem free: that's where you can save some money. Windows installations need reformatting every 6 months to a year in most cases.

Re:Linux in Universities

[whereiswaldo]

From http://www.nyfairuse.org/analysis/trech.comp.xhtml

Word processors such as Microsoft Word could use treacherous computing when they save your documents, to make sure no competing word processors can read them. Today we must figure out the secrets of Word format by laborious experiments in order to make free word processors read Word documents. If Word encrypts documents using treacherous computing when saving them, the free software community won't have a chance of developing software to read them -- and if we could, such programs might even be forbidden by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

Re:Linux in Universities

[Eskarel]

No it's probably not hard to find someone who knows linux or Unix these days, but it's somewhat harder to find staff for every lab who are both capable of fixing even limited problems on a *nix machine, and who are also able to, and have the time to, explain to every new user exactly how to use a Unix machine. Not to mention conflicts with files from a users home machine(Microsoft Works is the devil).

Setup is not really all that much of an issue since short of locking absolutely everything down which is more of a pain than it's worth with all the random courseware(also not linux compliant) which has to be installed at various points, it's not uncommon for a machine to not last very long before it needs to be redone(or at least restored to an original standing) so we have software to do that.

Except for certain specific applications(Major specific labs particularly in the Comp Sci and Enginnering fields), most open source systems just aren't terribly viable. In most universities these labs already use some sort of *nix system as much as possible anyway, so it's really a moot point.

Slashdotted already?

[kasperd]

Is the site slashdotted already or did somebody finally DoS the DNS system? The host www.socallinuxexpo.com in the link cannot be resolved.

Is the google cache /.'d as well?

[Blimey85]

Here is the link to the google cache:

http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:i4tXkfSa-3sC: www.socallinuxexpo.com/presentations.php+&hl=en&lr =lang_en&ie=UTF-8

It's coming up real slow for me though... still hasn't loaded so I don't know if it will help anyone or not.

But it's worth a try.

Re:Is the google cache /.'d as well?

[Anonymous Coward]

The Google Vic-20 RAID appears to be under some strain. Perhaps a datasette overheated and blew out.

Re:Is the google cache /.'d as well?

[Blimey85]

Damn we're good.

In the beginning we could take down servers with a mere few clicks.

But that wasn't good enough. We didn't want to just crash the servers, we wanted to truly stop anyone from viewing the data so next we attacked the cache.

Now we:

• 1. Link to the site.
• 2. Nuke the site.
• 3. Nuke the google cache.
• 4. ???
• 5. Profit

Re:Is the google cache /.'d as well?

[Tetsujin28]

Google runs on a Vic-20? I thought they'd need at least a Commodore 128...

Re:Is the google cache /.'d as well?

[Anonymous Coward]

The tag you want is <ol> not <ul>.

*Sigh* Another site slashdotted

[jpetts]

Is it true that people pay /. money not to be mentioned here?

Re:*Sigh* Another site slashdotted

[Anonymous Coward]

So how could you tell the site was down? Did you click on the link to see if the site was slashdotted?

D'oh!

Re:*Sigh* Another site slashdotted

[dryopterix]

Yeah, pretty soon /. will be asking sites for "protection money"

EXCELLENT!

[Anonymous Coward]

This is AWESOME news! Now I don't have to rent a DVD, check HBO 1-6, go to the opera, or interact with other human beings in any way! This makes my Friday night! YESSSSS!!! I only wish I could decide which one to watch first! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I've finally had an original idea!

[Anonymous Coward]

Slashdot is selling subscriptions but what do you really get for paying money? Not that much. What if Slashdot offered a cached copy of any articles/sites/etc. that it links to, but only to subscribing customers?

Gets Slashdot more money, offers yet another reason to subscribe, and it allows the more frustrated users a way to see the linked articles the same hour they are posted. I for one would cough up quite a bit to be able to see the articles right away every time. I think this could work great.

Re:I've finally had an original idea!

[Anonymous Coward]

Sure, it's a great idea, but it has a lot of implications. For example, commercial sites rely on their banner ads to generate revenue. If we cache one of their pages, this will mess with their statistics, and mess with their banner ads. In other words, this will piss them off.

Of course, most of the time, the commercial sites that actually have income from banner ads easily withstand the Slashdot Effect. So perhaps we could draw the line at sites that don't have ads. They are, after all, much more likely to buckle under the pressure of all those unexpected hits. But what happens if we cache the site, and they update themselves? Once again, we're transmitting data that we shouldn't be, only this time our cache is out of date!

We could try asking permission, but do you want to wait 6 hours for a cool breaking story while we wait for permission to link someone?

So the quick answer is: "Sure, caching would be neat." It would make things a lot easier when servers go down, but it's a complicated issue that would need to be thought through in great detail before being implemented.

Re:I've finally had an original idea!

[Anonymous Coward]

How and why is Google able to do this then?

Re:I've finally had an original idea!

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, more study is needed.

Come on, Taco, you're so ego-gratified by your beloved "/. Effect" that you see virtue in your stubbornness. You resent having had to listen to so many people for so long tell you like it is that you'll be damned to hell before you give in. You'd rather continue to lose valuable discussion contributions that might have been lest for the knowledge that reading /. is an exercise in frustration until after the stories become stale (right now is a good example).

It's SCAGLE

[Anonymous Coward]

"Southern California GNU/Linux Expo". Get it right.

Cache...

[RudeDude]

This is a copy from Google cache so it's prolly not of that much value.

Re:Cache...

[RudeDude]

WOH! Sorry, wrong paste nugget. That was meant for those interested in GhostZilla.
correct link

Re:Cache...

[Anonymous Coward]

Would be so nice if we could edit our own blunders wouldn't it? Or can we... maybe we can edit our own posts and I'm just a moron. But maybe not. This one is just too close to call.

huh?

[djupedal]

Why not just use the net and find things that interest you on your own? Beats having someone else decide what you should look at, me thinks....you risk missing more than you might find with a /. IV in your arm if you just hang here 24/7.

Re:huh?

[Blimey85]

But what about those of us who just drop in once in a while? Slashdot serves a great purpose. It routinely has stories about stuff that interests me. It's not the only site I frequent, but it's the only one that has the ability to crush a site (albeit for a short amount of time) and therefore I think there are several options that could and should be looked at.

I think some sort of Slashdot cache would greatly improve Slashdot in terms of usefulness. As someone pointed out in a post above, the main thing stoping this is the money for the extra bandwidth a cache would require. I think having the cache only for those who subscribe to the service solves that problem. If you use the bandwidth, you need to pay for it. Those who don't mind waiting for a slow site, or waiting a few hours to read the article don't have to pay.

Maybe that would be an idea for a future poll. List a few options to solve this problem and allow the Slashdot community to vote on what option they would prefer. If there is sufficient interest in a pay-for-cache approach, maybe that could be implemented.

And I do apologize for this being off-topic but seeing as how I can get to the article to read it before posting anything on-topic, I figured I would comment on this.

Arrrgh the Sound !!!

[Anonymous Coward]

The sound is terrible - almost unintelligible. Someone tell the the Linux Public Broadcasting Network to put a microphone on the lecturers in future.

Their names

[McFly69]

"..Robert Love and Patrick Mochel."

Is it just me or those names belong in a bad, gay nuddie movie?

I'm pissed I missed it

[streak]

Argh.
I'm pissed I actually missed the conference, cause I used to work for one of the speakers and I think his talk would have been interesting.

I'll have to watch the videos later...its cool they got all of them.

Re:I'm pissed I missed it

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm pissed I missed getting my wrist kissed and twisted while being fisted in the mist.

Re:First Past the Post (Slightly off topic I know

[dryopterix]

You can't moderate in the future, because it happened yet :-)

This is a lame joke, so what?

from the yadda-yadda dept.

[zephc]

no no no, its Yatta!

What's the URL of the slides?

[10Ghz]

They mentioned in the end of the Robert Love's presentation that the slides are available online. What's the URL, I missed it.

Re:What's the URL of the slides?

[irabinovitch]

They are linked off the same page you found the video on . But heres the direct link Slides

Free the Universities

[Anonymous Coward]

Free the Universities from the tyranny of technically inferior operating systems. Just say no to linux distros. Long live FreeBSD!

No you saved $70

[ToasterTester]

Instead of having to pay $70 to hear the speakers now you get them free. Because didn't miss anything with the exhibits.

Most were a couple people who dragged their 'puters down and sat in a chair to hang out. The LinuxChix were only ones who appeared to take some time and put a booth together. IBM and Sharp brought a machines, booth personal and brochures. Sun dropped a few Sun Blades off running Linux and left. MSC had lots of posters and lit', but couldn't get their demo cluster to work (well at least by the time I left.) Tollis was there with Bru lit'. FSF got bored talking to themselves and left. Debian sold t-shirts. The Darwin guys were too busy talking to each other than to talk to anyone else. Best was FreeBSD was there giving out full copies of the BSDMall distro. Sony was there and a couple other small companies I don't remember the name of.

So for a Expo to promote use of Linux by coporations it was a major failure. As a place for a bunch of user groups to get together and hang and shoot the shit it was fun. But not $70 worth of fun, especially not that the speakers videos are available over the net.

Re:No you saved $70

[Anonymous Coward]

im a student at usc (where the expo was held) i kind of wish i had gone but the date was just not convenient. i know they gave free tickets to every cs and ce major at the school. still i have to say that the state of the cs program here is pretty weak and im amazed they held the conference here and not somewhere like say cal tech. as for linux at the university i wonder how likely that is, i know that we have a msdnaa and thus every student has free downloads of ms stuff such as win2k pro, vs 6, vs .net, etc etc. none of the 1st or 2nd year cs majors i know have a clue as to what linux is. hell when we had to use unix and gcc they about pissed themselves with fear. then again it is southern california, so what do you expect.

Re:No you saved $70

[ToasterTester]

I went to UCLA in the early '80's and got what I thought was a good basic CS education. Though my years of working in the industry I talk to all the people still in school or recently out and I'm surprised by how watered down the CS programs in general have become. Things that were requirement for us are electives now.

Also it felt like such a pain back then to have to work the over crowed terminal rooms, but I look back now and miss it. we had a lot of good times waiting for terminal to get our homework done. We talked out ideas and helped each other. Weekends were great, We were stuck there trying to get more terminal time, but being the weekend we made it fun. All the pizza delivery place knew where the terminal rooms were and peole would bring in boom boxes, Even the occasional dogs were hanging out. We were brothers in arms writing code and partying. Now people all people work on PC's or online and miss out on that community of thought and keystokes.

The only thing I don't miss was the sadistic print queues. You'd submit a print job and 90% of the time it would get routed to a printer on the other side of campus.

Freaky

[RedBear]

Am I the only one who looked over that bunch of totally dorky looking people, and then went right for the lion--um, I mean the Debian guy?

Who the heck is that anyway? The video wouldn't come up, of course.

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[alpg]

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event on TV. IBM begins to ship Debian 4.6 as the
standard OS on all machines from mainframe to PC
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