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Sensors Gone Wild

tulanian writes "forbes.com has an interesting article on networked, intelligent sensors. It mentions an experiment done by DARPA where several dozen magnetic sensors were scattered along a road and passing vehicles could be identified by their magnetic signatures."

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  1. it gets worse... by Obliterous · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a very MINOR operation by the car manufacturers could give each automobile a distinct magnetic signature, similar to a magnetic VIN. I dont think I'd want them able to track My driving habits...

    1. Re:it gets worse... by wkitchen · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I dont think I'd want them able to track My driving habits...
      More important than my driving habits, I wouldn't want them tracking when/where I go. And no, I don't have anything evil I want to hide. It's just that it's none of their business what churches, political events, social events, etc. that people attend. That may not be their intent, but the potential for abuse bothers me.
  2. Have to be careful about over-reliance by ThogScully · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can imagine that many of the uses for these listed could be great, but over-reliance may be a problem. While it would be nice if everything like this worked like in Star Trek, I can imagine a story in the future where someone calls 911 about a bridge that looks about to collapse that is ignored because the sensors say the bridge is fine.

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  3. Re:Wear and Tear? by broller · · Score: 4, Funny

    So does this mean, when your car begins to rust out...you'll cease to exist?

    No, quite the opposite. You'll just be scattered along the roads and eventually you'll be everywhere!

  4. 1984? by GimmeFuel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Big Magnet is watching you...

  5. Hertz, et al? by sprlmnl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doesn't anyone remember the article about the car rental companies monitoring the GPS systems they had installed? Going too fast? Going to Mexico? Going to an anti-anything rally?

    When will someone get around to inventing the 'cone of silence' so we can have our privacy back?!

  6. Sounds cool... but.... by Joe5678 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The sensors sound pretty cool from the article, they mention the military wants to scatter them over a battlefield so they can collect info about where the enemy is, but I wonder how hard it would be for the enemy to just jam the network, or send out a bunch of bogus data into it.

    1. Re:Sounds cool... but.... by BeBoxer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, crypto would be virutally useless in this application for the military, they're not sending out communications, only recieving them. I cannot see any good reason why the military would want to use any sort of encryption on these...

      Actually, there are two very good reasons why the military might want to use crypto. One is that if the sensors are actually providing useful info, the enemy might also find that information useful. If you drop sensors onto the front line, and then manage to advance the line, well now the sensors are transmitting information about the location of your own troops. So you would definitely want that encrypted.

      The other is to ensure the integrity of the information. Remember, crypto has more uses than simply preserving privacy. Your sensor array wouldn't be worth a whole lot if the enemy could transmit false data. If you can't trust the sensors, you can't make decisions based upon the data you get back. Imagine if your enemy could inject fake data saying that nothings moving when in fact they are advancing? Or saying that their tanks are miles away from their actual location?

  7. Clearly, what is needed is... by march · · Score: 4, Funny

    Clearly, what is needed is some squid on a GSXR-1100 to zip by at some insane speed (which those bikes are quite capable of doing in 1st gear!) and generate enough voltage to blow the sensor out of the ground.

    Throw in a few rare-earth magnets in his pocket and send the whole system into a tizzy.

    Oh, what fun we could have....

    :-)

  8. two quick thoughts by JimBobJoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, I've always wondered if cars did indeed emit some type of unique magnetic signature. Because if they did, I would make a sensor to detect the precise signature emitted by the Ford Crown Victoria with the police package, which is drived by the vast majority of police departments in North America (well at least in my state. Add two or three more cars and you got 90% of the police car types.)

    Then I would sell em as police detectors. :-)

    Second thought, I'm particularly in love with this

    "Omron is about to market a system that lets your car recognize you using your fingerprint."

    Since we know that fingerprint devices are not that hard to fool...all ya have to do is dust the car you wanna steal for fingerprints (assuming that the owner of the car has indeed touched their car barehanded at some point in time) and do the elmer's glue thing. I'm excited.

  9. Some random thoughts by coryboehne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok, from the article:

    The net is relegated to a small screen and a keyboard. This will detect who you are and where you are.

    Is this a Good Thing? I know that it could be used for some very good things, such as instant identity verification, missing & lost persons (the list goes on... I'll spare you) But it seems really, really, really, Big Brotherish, and I'm not so prone to like that very much....

    Some new sensors are getting so small--some are invisible to the naked eye--that they will be able to run on 100 microwatts.

    Great! So not only can we be watched incessantly, we won't even be able to know IF we're being watched...

    At the 100-microwatt level they could gather energy from ambient heat and photovoltaic cells, says Stephen Senturia, a specialist in microsystems at MIT. His colleagues are working on making chips so small that they can power themselves, like watches that need only the kinetic energy generated by movements of the wearer's wrist.

    ok, most thought provoking idea in this comment coming right up...

    At what point is something sentient and self supporting enough to be considered life? I know that this is relying on a backbone of support, but really, this single feature is actually very interesting if you really think about it. It is capable of sensing it's environment, it's self supporting... has a definate life span... hmmm.. this is really somewhat one the edge of being electronic and creeping towards being alive...

    Just my crazy thoughts, but I think this is something we all need to watch carefully, both for the positive aspects of it, and also to be sure (as sure as we can be anyhow) that this is not being used as just another minon of Big Brother... Of course a small amount of Big Brotherism is really quite acceptable, and if used properly this technology could really be a sign of great things to come... I just hope it is used in a way that we would all approve of...

  10. I had an idea for a cool project.. by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 5, Funny

    basically hook up two wireless network cameras that would point to the street outside my house.

    They would run motion detection software that would basically write to a database when it detected movement. By measuring the time between the two motion captures and knowing the difference in length between the cameras, I could calculate how fast people drive by my house.

    By going to my homepage, you would see something like:
    Last car went by at: 07:05:30 am
    It was going 38.9mph. 3.9 over the speed limit!

    Anyways, until the price of wireless network cams come down, I guess it's just a thought.

  11. MICA sensor motes by Malkthulhu · · Score: 5, Informative

    These tests were down with MICA sensor motes which can be purchased from Crossbow Technology.

    These motes run TinyOS, which was developed at UC Berkeley.

    More information about TinyOS:

    Yes, my job does involve programming for these motes. I have four of them on my desk acting as an ad-hoc wireless sensor network now.

  12. later on the nature channel by nounderscores · · Score: 5, Funny

    When Sensors Attack!

    Be amazed by real live footage of sensors watching other sensors!

    Be captivated by the secret sensor mating ritual!
    (mount, fsck, unmount!)

    Laugh at sensors hopping around the battle field like little metal frogs.

    Be horrified by real live footage of sensors mauling some guy who sprayed himself with sensor musk!

    1. Re:later on the nature channel by jelson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Laugh at sensors hopping...

      It's very funny that you link to the DARPA SHM program. The Forbes "Sensors Gone Wild" article that Slashdot linked to today is talking about work done at the Center for Embedded Network Sensing at UCLA (and the closely associated UCLA LECS lab, also run by Deborah Estrin). Now, a few of us lowly graduate students working at the UCLA lab/center also work for Sensoria Corp, which was one of the main contractors for the SHM project. A lot of the research was very complementary. I'll plug my own research here -- the fine grained network time synchronization that we developed at UCLA/LECS is public domain and also made its way into the SHM project. There's other crossover as well (e.g. some of the acoustic ranging work); check out Sensoria's publications page.

      I was at the SHM demo on an army base this past March and again this past August, and let me tell you, seeing those things actually hop is quite exciting. Especially when you're the one with your finger on the "ARM ALL" button :-).

  13. New Application of Old Technology by jtjm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The world's navies have been identifying ships using magnetic signatures for decades; sophisticated mines exist which can not only distinguish friendly ships from those of the enemy from their magnetic signature, but use a combination of of the acoustic and magnetic signatures of a vessel to identify a particular ship (e.g. to distinguish one Ticonderoga class ship from another). This enables the laying of a minefield that will ignore the signatures of low value units such as minesweepers, frigates and destroyers, and only explode when a particular enemy carrier passes overhead.

    One imagines that an intelligence agency wishing to assassinate a foreign president/dictator could achieve similar success using the sensors described in the Forbe's article - they need merely tune the sensors to the signature of the target's limo, and lay them on a public road on the way to his residence.

  14. Luckily Magnetic Signatures are Infallable by DrSkwid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    cos you can't buy magnets anywhere

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  15. High Income = Good Roads? by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A number of suburbs of Dallas, Texas (including Carrollton, where I work) are using computerized magnetic sensors to monitor traffic. They're temporary installations -- a box about 4" x 6" x 1" high is placed in the center of the traffic lane, and covered with a thick sheet of what looks to be asphalt-impregnated duct tape.

    When they're done with the traffic survey -- 24 hours, typically -- the city engineers cut out the sensor, leaving the tape that was stuck to the ground. You'll see these squares all over town -- they don't seem to disintegrate for several months, even after heavy traffic driving over them. The busiest intersections have several of these leftovers.

    A Dallas Morning News article a year or so ago detailed the city's use of the boxes, and noted that they could derive detailed information about the vehicles by their magnetic signatures. I didn't put 2 and 2 together, though, until Slashdot came to the rescue...

    Dallas is one of the most insanely vehicle-as-status-symbol regions of the country (according to friends who have lived elsewhere). I thought that Carrollton was simply doing a traffic survey no different than the pneumatic roll-over count... but if you can tell a '82 Chevette from a brand-new Cadillac SUV, it adds a whole new dimension.

    Anyone want to bet against the cities prioritizing road repairs based on relative driver income, as opposed to mere number of vehicles?

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  16. Tin Foil by CatWrangler · · Score: 4, Funny

    It blocks these sensors. But the Forbes people didn't want to let that out. Tin foil and duct tape are our last best hopes.

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  17. This is a stretch by Raiford · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Not much information in the article to conclude any kind of real concern. Use of the term magnetic signature conjures up the idea that every vehicle will have a unique signature that can be identified down to the make, model and last oil change. I don't think so. It is hard enough to extract detailed signature information from radar returns detailed enough to determine distinct vehicle classes (requires fancy imaging and such). I find it hard to believe that the perturbation in some magnetic flux density would reveal a high information content.

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  18. Re:Sociologists and legal people by NoData · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Technology moves at a pace that is far, far faster than social change. If we wait until a technology is adopted to consider its social and political ramifications, the damage will be long done--and, in fact, the next phase of that technology will already be well into development.

    I sympathize with your concerns that pre-emptive regulation strangles innovation. However, I think the problem lies with the entire approach our society has in dealing with technology. Our society is issue-driven, and deals with issues rather than values. "What is our digital music policy? What is our wire tapping policy? What is our copy protection policy?"...etc.

    Instead, we need to formulate a majority expression of our core values regarding matters that have become salient in light of modern technology. Really, I think these boil down to two major domains: Privacy and intellectual property*.

    What makes our Constitution so flexibile and adaptive is that it broadly sets out a scaffolding of societal values (at least the Bill of Rights does). But, besides some tangential language in the 4th, there's nothing explicit on privacy. And certainly, IP could never have been anticipated.

    I think our societal norms on what constitutes privacy and IP are right now in a state of extreme flux. Once these crystalize, I think much of the debate concerning the legitimacy of many technologies will become moot. For better or worse.

    *(OK, there's a 3rd domain: Biological engineering...but this one invokes religion, and so is at a whole other level of complexity. Way, way off from being settled).

  19. It's done already, at red light cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I talked extensively with a fellow who was maintaining a red light camera. He was very open, and largely responsible for implementing red light cameras in British Columbia.

    There are two sensors about four meters apart, one just before and one just after the stop line. These sensors can identify speed and "weight" (magnetic mass) of the vehicle. The magnetic signature is unique to each vehicle model.

    In BC, the sensors activate the camera only when the car actually enters the intersection on a red. If you've entered on a yellow, no camera.

    Because of the speed-measuring capability, some Vancouver-district municipalities have also really put the screws to the boy-racer fuckups who are street-racing -- speeds like 140kmh through a red light. Ticket for running the red, ticket for reckless driving, ticket for speeding, etc.

    Ticket revenue goes directly back to the red light camera operations. The municipalities and government see no money from this system, thereby eliminating any incentive to generate additional revenue by diddling the yellow-light timing and or going all heavy on the marginal cases. The camera supplier doesn't get money, either (and, thus, were of absolutely no use whatsoever when it came time to provide technical support.)

    Camera-monitored red lights in BC are showing significant reductions in accidents. Indeed, the savings generated by not paying out claims is proving to be a remarkable value, and insurance companies across North America are starting to realize that spending money on accident reduction will increase their bottom-line profits.

    All in all, it's a hella fine system. Our government-tamed insurance monopoly provides us with basic insurance and uninsured driver insurance, plus is mandated to work with municipalities and the RCMP to increase road safety and decrease accident rates. Our public insurer operates in a not-profitable manner: they're not expected to (and are, in fact, expected to not) produce profits.

    All our other insurance (liability, collision, whatever else you dream of having) is provided by third-party insurers, so we really get the best of both worlds: a public insurer who's looking out for our basic needs and safety; and private insurers who compete to provide all else.

    Sorry this turned into a bit of an insurance/insurer rant, but the public insurer aspect is crucial to the success of our red light camera system, because it eliminates the urge to use the cameras as a profit center instead of a safety tool.

  20. Remote Sensor System by RobM9999 · · Score: 4, Informative

    FYI - Deployable remote sensor systems are not a new concept. The U.S. Army has been using them since about Viet Nam in one form or another. I had the pleasure of visiting Iraq in order to deploy sensors during Desert Storm. The systems in current use can be seen here.
    The system in this article appears to potentially be the next generation of this sensor system.
    (Any current or former GSR feel free to drop me a line)

  21. Border watch by Jetson · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I could kinda see this being used for speed checking using the time elapsed between passing different sensors (like VASCAR) if the sensors could differentiate certain cars. Or knowing where you are at any given time. Hmmm. Any other suggestions?

    There are sensors just like these along various stretches of the border between British Columbia, Canada and Washington, USA where the two nations have parallel streets separated only by a shallow drainage ditch. They are presumably there to detect when cars stop to toss bags of marijuana over the border.

  22. Amazing progress by SiliconEntity · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here is a good, detailed report on the sensor network experiment. It concludes with this amazing quote:

    There is nothing in the current motes that can not be miniaturized. In three years this demo will be done with a 6" aircraft, and millimeter-scale sensor nodes.

    This is all leading to "Smart Dust".