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Altavista Renewed

Waterlooppln77 writes "Altavista has recently changed their searchengine to allow more competition with Google.com. It offers a whole set of new features, like searching through PDF documents, and more importantly got rid of the commercial portal thingie." Anyone remember when Alta Vista was the best search engine?

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  1. Re:Sheesh by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Informative

    What the fuck does google have? Googlefights?? How much does any of that mean when Google's ranking system is corrupt, ie they allow people to pay for their ranking. Besides that, google now censors its content. Google is looking really weak at the moment.

    Google has a ranking system, Altavista hasn't. At least I wish to find the most linked to sites when I search for something. Some people I've heard wish to let everyone have an equal chance, but I think that's a very bad idea, which the results of Altavista proves.

    You say the ranking system is "corrupt". Sure it's exploitable, but not to the level that the results it gives are upside down. There are few sites that I've noticed exploit the ranking system. And as long as I think Google give more relevant search results than Altavista, who cares about the minor group of exploiters?

    And I couldn't care less about Google's censoring system... The less nazi rubbish I stumble upon the better. They could start censoring kiddie porn as well. There are soo many ways to find this shit anyway if you really feel an urge to see it. Use Altavista for example.

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  2. Re:Altavista the best? by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Then you must be new to the net. AltaVista (then owned by Digital) owned the search rankings for a while, and then Excite came on fairly strong and took the crown (Excite was actually a great site: They had a clean page, great results, and they did cute things like changing the graphics by the time of year, etc). Around that time the .COM bubble started expanding quickly, and both did some incredibly stupid things to try to capitalize on their positions: Becoming variations of Yahoo, or shopping hubs, etc. They squandered the market they exceled in to pursue what the VCs told them would be of value.

    Of course around this time Google came on strong. Google's primary selling point, of course, was the cleanliness of the design and lack of advertisements.

  3. Digital et al by SpikeSpegiel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its quite simple why Altavista sucks now. They used to be Altavista.digital.com because digital ran it. Digital had pride, after all, the built the fastest single chip processor in the world, why not have the best search engine. For a time they did. However, Digital's marketing dept couldn't seem to sell the best product (what a bunch of idiots if you ask me), so digital was bought out. Without Digital's influence, Altavista no longer had any drive to be the best. Just like the Alpha, its unfortuente to see some of Digitals best projects languish to obscurity, after all, HPQ killed Alpha within the past 6 months or so. Apperently competition with intel is bad*Palladium edit, Violation of EULA, do bashing intel*

  4. Sneaky Links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The bastards have the search result links prefixed and they use JavaScript to hide that fact when you mouse over so they can spy on what links you click. I think Google may have done that in the past, but their links look normal now.

    <td class=csr onclick="BlOp('/r?ck_sm=5282c169&ref=200020080&uid =477b1d8923f776&r=http%3A%2F%2Fchorus.inav.net%2F% 7Ebjackson%2F')" title="Open result in a new window" bgcolor=#C9D8EE id="bl3" width=10 onMouseOver="status='http://chorus.inav.net/~bjack son/'; return true;" onMouseOut="status=''; return true;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</td>

    1. Re:Sneaky Links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google does exactly same thing. It's rare, but it does happen. It's no more than two weeks when I last saw that behavior. I told to friend of mine and she didn't get spy links. I went to workstation next to me and did same search and no spylinks. Reloaded it on my own workstation and spylinks were there. I think they have some servers on cluster in spy mode and it's just bad luck to get result page with links to google logging system.

    2. Re:Sneaky Links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      BTW, this is described in the privacy policy (http://www.google.com/privacy.html)

  5. Re:Altavista the best? by Snork+Asaurus · · Score: 4, Informative
    Anyone remember when Alta Vista was the best search engine?

    I certainly do, it was 5-6 years ago (~= 1 web lifetime). Then, as it started to descend into deep suckitude in the search of money rather than results, along came Google. I also remember when people used to use Yahoo and Lycos and a few others as search engines. IMO, Google is currently and still king of the hill, especially since it became less anal about including common words (the, at, by, etc. - hey when I do a literal search, I mean literal, not liberal, damn it). Alltheweb is getting pretty good though, and IMO it does a better job on finding foreign pages and has better advanced search capabilities than Google.

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  6. Re:Sneaky Links & Hotmail by paranoic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hotmail has been doing this forever. They rewrite links in your email messages. Which makes one wonder, what else are they doing with your email?