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mao che minh writes "From Pravda.ru - German and American geneticists recently discovered that the neanderthal has nothing to do with modern day man's genealogy. I figured that the lack of a genetic relationship between the two species was already well known, especially when you consider the empirical evidence compiled thus far that concludes that cromagnon man and neaderthal coexisited. I suppose that the geneticists aim to put the story to bed with their DNA research."

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  1. what a strange article... by Hugh+Kir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, if the report of this genetic discovery is true, it's not very surprising, as this has been discussed as a possibility for years. That said, given the article goes on to discuss a millenia-old mummy with cyborg implants and the possibility of UFOs as the origin of humankind, I question the authenticity of any information contained within said article.

    1. Re:what a strange article... by oyenstikker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When your government says (and enforces that) there is no such thing as the thing that is the most obvoius, and most likely correct, answer (God), you have to resort to aliens or something equally as unlikely.

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  2. credibility of the story by ceejayoz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is Slashdot taking seriously a story that includes speculation over whether a mummy found in Mongolia is an ancient cyborg?

    The scientists say that during its life, the mummy could have been a cyborg, a creature made by a combination of features of a robot and a hominid.

    If we rely upon many statements and the evidence of UFOs or extraterrestrial visits to Earth, we can consider our planet as a space colony. And different space centers are very active here. They send their robots, cyborgs, and hominids to the Earth to collect information and materials, to perform experiments on human beings, including even complex surgical operations. In many cases, these operations resulted in mutilations later treated as abnormalities by pathologoanatomists and archeologists. The experiments were evidently performed with a view to create new cloned creatures. These facts allow one to say talk about the alien origin of Homo sapiens.


    While the Neanderthal / Cro-Magnon stuff is probably true (I was under the impression that the question had been decided years ago - they both were around at the same time, Neanderthals died out), the second half of the article doesn't help the credibility of the first half.

    Don't the editors read the links that get submitted?

    1. Re:credibility of the story by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wrong. They extracted DNA from a Neanderthal skeleton years ago--do a Google search. The conclusion was that we are different species.

  3. Correction by master_xemu · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just for referance there is no such thing as "Cro-Magnon Man". Cromagnon was a site in France where modern human remains were found. Cromagnon man is simply Homo sapien sapien, my wife is an Anthropologist and jumps all over me when I use the term "Cro-Magnon".

    1. Re:Correction by orthogonal · · Score: 5, Funny

      , my wife is an Anthropologist and jumps all over me when I use the term "Cro-Magnon"

      Hey, whatever works to keep the romance alive, I guess.

  4. So then how do you explain my hairy knuckles? by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Convergent evoloution? Or is the story about my great grandpa and the circus monkey true?

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  5. Old News by JBCybernautics · · Score: 3, Funny


    Obviously we aren't all reading the right literature.

    It's already been discovered that our ancestors co-existed with cro-magnon man rather than evolved from him. In fact, we likely caused his extinction. We're just lucky we got off the leaf-currency system before we deforested the entire planet and did ourselves in.

    "That's traffic control."

    1. Re:Old News by floydigus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thank Christ we don't use cellulose based currency any more.

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  6. The article was unclear on a point... by medcalf · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, are we then descended from cyborgs, or was that an untenable offshoot of the main branch of human evolution?

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  7. Phew! by IainHere · · Score: 4, Funny

    This news should really help my forthcoming paternity suit.

    Thanks slashdot!

  8. Pravda apparently no longer means truth by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, I didn't realize that pravda had turned into a national inquirer type of paper.
    The funny thing about this article is how it starts out plausible enough, albiet not newsworthy, much like a decent troll, before it gets into the nitty gritty of UFO's and cyborg Neanderthals as monitoring devices.
    Another headline is "America Wants to Use Biological Weapons on Iraq"
    The truly sad part is that there are many people in the world who believe nonsense like this.
    p.s. Why is this in "science" category instead of "it's funny, laugh"? Did Hemos fall for the troll?

    1. Re:Pravda apparently no longer means truth by Hythlodaeus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      More interesting tidbits from Pravda:

      "Japan didn't capitulate in 1945"

      "Therefore, what kind of anomalous events can be dangerous for planes? They are UFOs, balls of lightening, meteorites, energy fields that humans know nothing about, or even unknown forms of life in the upper layers of the Earth's atmosphere."

      "I hope so much for Vladimir Putin now. It seems to me that he is like Joseph Stalin. I treat Stalin with respect, and I think that he was a very wise leader."

      "Fire ants, Solenopsis Invicta (invincible), are ready to destroy any and all enemies, regardless of size[...] At first, it seems that they just idle around their ant hill. However, this idling time might be used to plan well-coordinated attacks."

      "Bin Laden Gives Credit Where Credit's Due - Bush and Western leaders to blame for deaths of Moscow and Bali terrorism victims"

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  9. Well said. by Ashurbanipal · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I know a few people who think heavier objects 'fall faster' than lighter objects...
    Probably because they typically do; in everyday situations the lighter object usually will have aerodynamic properties that the heavier object does not. Weight to surface area (as well as shape) comes into play here.

    Intelligent people observe their surroundings, and one might well notice that a stapler falling off a desk hit the floor before the sheet of paper did.

    Intelligent people also test hypotheses; but most of us do not have easy access to a large vacuum chamber.

    Not everyone has the advantage of a proper education, so your comment that "you can't take knowledge for granted" is right on the money.

    I think homo-sap-sap ate homo-neanderthal.
  10. Hold on there, mao. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful


    > I figured that the lack of a genetic relationship between the two species was already well known

    "We are not related" and "lack of a genetic relationship" greatly overstate the case. Humans "have a genetic relationship" with all species, and exceed 98% identity (depending on the way you measure it) even with chimps, and we are much more closely related to the Neanderthals than to the chimps.

    What scientists actually say is that we are not descended from the Neanderthals.

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  11. Re:Hard Evidence Suggests Otherwise by Lars+Arvestad · · Score: 4, Informative
    From what I understand, the current knowledge is well captured by a quote from Archaeology:
    If Neandertals made a significant genetic contribution to modern humans, similarities should exist between DNA of Neandertals and that of people from Europe, where the Neandertals persisted the longest. Pääbo and his colleagues compared the Neandertal DNA to that from five modern populations, but it proved no closer to DNA from modern Europeans than to that from four other groups. While this does not rule out the possibility of Neandertal and modern human mixing, it suggests that the Neandertal genetic contribution to modern gene pools, if any, was small.
    Svante Pääbo is a respected expert on ancient DNA, and was the first (whose student...) sequenced Neandertal DNA.
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