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The U.S. Homeland Security bill is steamrolling through Congress, on target to be passed within a couple of days. Since its passage is guaranteed, in whatever form it finally ends up, lawmakers are attempting to tack on their own pet projects to the bill so they can ride its coattails. A CNet article mentions that a version of the Cyberspace Security Enhancement Act has been appended to the HomeSec bill. William Safire blasts the addition in the New York Times. The Times has another story on the bill that notes some of the corporate pork that is also being added to the bill.

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  1. Hack a computer, spend life in prison. by AugstWest · · Score: 5, Informative

    MSNBC has a good article up about this"

    A last-minute addition to a proposal for a Department of Homeland Security bill would punish malicious computer hackers with life in prison.

  2. Re:Unchecked power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes. Adding ridiculous provisions to a bill is another way to stop it from passage. Add enough crap and when it comes up for final passage, it will be voted down because instead of a $200 million dollar bill its turned into a $2 Billion dollar bill.

    The legislative system has many places like this where it is possible to destroy a bill. Remove it, and you give the majority more power in Congress.

  3. Re:The solution to problems like this... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's not an example of line-item veto. The president wouldn't get veto per-ammendment, the veto would be by spending item. For example, if Congress passed an appropriation bill that's called "The Space Flight and Ketchup Act of 2002" and it went through Congress unammended with $500 million to NASA for the Space Shuttle project, and $100 million to the FDA for research on preserving ketchup better, the president could approve the money for NASA, but veto the FDA's project. Right now, the president would be faced with a double-or-nothing decision. This would only apply to bills where funds are going to more than one place, it would not allow him to do something like accept a copyright law but eliminate consumer protections.

  4. Too bad it's unconstitutional -- and ill-advised by MacAndrew · · Score: 5, Informative

    The immediate problem with the line-item veto is that it is unconstitutional. Sometimes the Supremes get it right (6-3). :)

    So of course it could be enacted as a constitutional amendment. This would be a grave error IMHO, as law-making authority belongs with the lawmakers, in Congress, not the White House, which has the veto as final sanity check on Congress (and over which the Framers pointedly permitted a 2/3 vote of Congress to override). A line-item veto would wreak havoc: the President would be able to "pass" a statute other than Congress intended (there's no reason the President would be limited to so-called pork -- why not dissect the statute's principal topic?). Why would anyone have this great faith in a single person to do the right thing -- Presidents engage in pork barrel politics, too, and surely we can all think of at least one President on the last thirty years we wouldn't have trusted with this.

    If you have a problem with the lawmaking process, don't increase the power of a lone executive with whatever agenda; focus on the 535-member Congress, as the Framers intended. They did not want a monarch, or even an imitation one.

    In fairness the debate on this is long and complex. I won't pretend to present or be able to present a full balanced picture. But grant that the issue is much more complex than a magic bullet for pork-barrel abuses, and look into it more than sound bites permit.

  5. That's why by wiredog · · Score: 3, Informative

    there's an override provision.

  6. Re:not that i can think of by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 3, Informative
    Congress could tack on an amendment to a bill declaring that all /. polls should be conducted by Taco, and Cowboy get's the good graces of spelling. Not much that we could do about it either.

    That's why many people were pushing for the line-item veto power for the President awhile back (1996) and it was passed by the Republican controlled Congress. President Clinton used it several times to trim out pork items from bills and saved billions of dollars. I believe it was ruled unconstitutional in 1998 though. Personally I think it was one of the greatest laws ever passed and should become a Constitutional Ammendment. The amount of utter shit that rides along on popular bills is amazingly sad.

  7. Only in the Senate by EconomyGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

    While the Homeland Security Bill is most certainly assured to pass now that the Republicans will control all of the 108th Congress (don't forget, its still the 107th, and the Dems still control the Senate) that doesn't mean all of the items being tacked on by the Senate will actually make it into law.

    The House of Representatives already passed HR5005, the Homeland Security Bill, and did so with such tight rules that there was no chance for riders to be added. As such, when the conferees from the two houses to sit down and rectify the differences in the bill, the House will not have the pork that the Senate has... and I would go so far as to say that much of the pork will be stricken.

    The computer hacking bill, on the other hand, has already passed the House. I was actually in the gallery at the time and watched the bill pass without a single objection. Even the floor leader managing the opposing side was in support of the bill. I don't know where "our" lobbyist was on this issue, but it was already decided long ago.

    During the last few weeks of Congress there is a "great sucking sound". In other words, all of the bills that have been stuck in committee are suddenly tacked on to popular bills. Its been going on for years, and it is actually one of the few things that diminishes the power of the committee system, which in itself has some highly undemocratic practices. But that doesn't mean those items make it pass the conference committee.

    Oh, and one last thing, about the line-item veto. Its not that the President's want it and didn't get it... Congress granted the power but the Courts ruled in unconstitutional because the President is not supposed to be vested with such power. If he did have that power, what would stop him from taking off items that would help members of the opposing party while keeping on items that help his own party? No, the power of the purse needs to stay in the hands of Congress. But we as voters need to stop rewarding Congressmen just because they send $50,000,000 toward our district.

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  8. Mod parent up by MoneyT · · Score: 3, Informative

    That is the reason why adding amendments to bills is unrestricted

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  9. 9/11 investigation DROPPED! by smack_attack · · Score: 5, Informative

    NEW HOMELAND SECURITY BILL DROPS INVESTIGATION INTO 9-11.

    I guess we don't need to know what happened, just what we were told what happened by the president.

  10. EFF Opposition by Caballero · · Score: 3, Informative
    You can read more about it and contact your senators.

    http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item =1723

  11. Re:Hasn't anyone heard of the IRS by sg3000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    > Remember, both Nixon and Clinton severely abused
    > the IRS' power by auditing all their enemies.

    Nixon maybe, Clinton no.

    Remember, our country spent almost $70 million dollars and two independent councils with unlimited subpoena power to investigate Clinton, and the only thing they came up with was some fellatio. Bill and Hillary go down as the most heavily investigated couple in the history of the U.S., so unless you've got a real court conviction to back up your accusation (which would be an impeachable offense), then don't bother lumping him in with Nixon.

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  12. Bob Barr by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 4, Informative
    He lost his primary precisely because he opposed key anti-privacy provisions of the Homeland Security Act. After that, the GOP targeted him for un-election, and the Rush Limbaugh listening suburbanite dronies of Cobb County out-voted the hard-core, pro-privacy conservatives who used to be Barr's core constituency. The fact that the Georgia Democrats redistricted Barr into Newt's old district didn't help much, either.

    Don't get me wrong, I had a lot of bones to pick with Bob Barr, particularly when it came to the religious freedom of our Armed Forces. But I'm sad to see him go, because now we need privacy advocates more than ever before.

  13. Re:Liberal as insult by ShavenYak · · Score: 3, Informative

    Does anybody feel perfectly represented by their nation's government?

    If you were listening to All Things Considered last Friday night, you'd know the answer is "no". The Voice of the People survey, conducted by Gallup, interviewed 36,000 people from 47 different countries. Two-thirds disagree that their country is "governed by the will of the people". In only four countries did a majority of respondents agree. They are the Dominican Republic, Israel, Luxembourg, and Malaysia.

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  14. Re:And you dont think by refrain · · Score: 2, Informative

    As far as I'm aware, that sort of strong encryption is practically all but breakable - even when confronted by fantastical hypothetical situations involving all of the computing power on planet Earth...

    And if that's not the case... if I am misinformed.. well, I still like believing it. :)

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  15. (MIT) Journalist Helen Thomas Condemns Bush Admin. by js7a · · Score: 3, Informative
    http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/tt/2002/nov06/thomas .html
    also: http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/11.15E.thomas.cond emns.htm

    WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 6, 2002

    Journalist Helen Thomas condemns Bush administration

    By Sarah H. Wright
    MIT News Office

    Veteran journalist Helen Thomas brought the grit and whir of a White House press conference to Bartos Theater on Monday evening, speaking with passion about the media's role in a democracy whose leaders seem eager for war.

    Actually, the 82-year-old former United Press International reporter didn't just speak: she surged into her topic, giving everyone present an immediate sense of the grumpy wit and fierce precision that gave her reporting on American presidents Kennedy through Bush II such a competitive and lasting edge.

    "I censored myself for 50 years when I was a reporter," said Thomas, who is now a columnist for Hearst News Service. "Now I wake up and ask myself, 'Who do I hate today?'" Her short list of answers seems not to vary from war, President Bush, timid office-holders, a muffled press and cowed citizens, pretty much in that order.

    Angered by what she views as the Bush administration's "bullying drumbeat," Thomas referred early and often to her own hatred of war, quoting from poets and politicians to bear down on President Bush and his colleagues.

    Winston Churchill, Alfred Lord Tennyson, Louis Brandeis, George Santayana, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson and Martin Luther King Jr. all made appearances in Thomas' sweeping portrayal of what she sees as the administration's betrayal of both the character and will of the American people and the principles of democracy.

    "I have never covered a president who actually wanted to go to war. Bush's policy of pre-emptive war is immoral - such a policy would legitimize Pearl Harbor. It's as if they learned none of the lessons from Vietnam," she said to enthusiastic applause.

    Thomas ignored the clapping just as she once ignored the camera flashes and shouting matches of the Washington press corps.

    "Where is the outrage?" she demanded. "Where is Congress? They're supine! Bush has held only six press conferences, the only forum in our society where a president can be questioned. I'm on the phone to [press secretary] Ari Fleischer every day, asking will he ever hold another one? The international world is wondering what happened to America's great heart and soul."

    Like any star, Thomas, who resigned from UPI in 2000, appreciated her audience's thirst to get the insider's view of our national leaders, and she gave generously, in snapshots, though the Reagan and both Bush regimes were cast in darker hues.

    "Great presidents have great goals for mankind. During my years of covering the White House, Kennedy was the most inspired; Johnson rammed through voting rights and public housing; Nixon will be remembered for his trip to China and for his resignation; Ford for helping us recover from Nixon; and Carter for making human rights the centerpiece of foreign policy," Thomas said in an even, respectful tone. She just sighed over Clinton, who "tarnished the Oval Office."

    Thomas' mood became visibly more somber at the mention of Ronald Reagan's military buildup and at the name Bush. Again and again, Thomas warned the MIT audience, "It's bombs away for Iraq and on our civil liberties if Bush and his cronies get their way. Dissent is patriotic!"

    After her talk, Thomas participated in a panel discussion with MacVicar Faculty Fellows David Thorburn, professor of literature, and Charles Stewart III, professor of political science. Philip S. Khoury, dean of the School of Humanities, Arts and Social Sciences, introduced the speakers.

    "Helen Thomas offered a very powerful indictment of the current behavior of the Bush presidency in her comments on the incoherence and inconsistency of Bush's policies and the danger to civil liberties of Bush's rhetoric," said Thorburn.

    He compared the lack of public awareness of an antiwar movement in 1965 and 1966 with the wide public debate about Iraq going on today. "An aroused citizenry can instruct the government," he said.

    Stewart also focused on the current public debate about Iraq, declaring that it may be a "hopeful sign. The polls say Americans don't want to talk about Iraq - they want to talk about the economy, about education. But the press has continued to point out the important thing. Everyone knows there's been a dance between the President and Congress over Iraq."

    Thomas didn't let the press off the hook, though. "Everybody learned the lessons of Vietnam, including the Pentagon. In Vietnam, correspondents could go anywhere - just hop on a helicopter and report on the war. Now we don't have that access. It's total secrecy. The media overlords should be complaining about this. I do not absolve the press. We've rolled over and played dead, too," she said.

    Asked to advise young journalists, Thomas pounced. "Remind the politicians you interview that you pay them, that they are public servants. Remember every question is legitimate. And don't give up. There's always a leak. There's always someone who's trying to save the country," she said.

    The talk was sponsored by the MIT Communications Forum.