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W3C Policy To Favor Royalty-Free Patents Only

A report on NewsForge notes that the Last Call Working Draft of the World Wide Web Consortium's patent policy has reversed the possibility found in earlier drafts of allowing patents in Web standards which required "Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory" (RAND) licensing fees. This draft is the result of the vote by the W3C's patent policy board mentioned last month, which came after a proposed loosening of the royalty-free standards in the Fall of 2001.

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  1. WC3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry to nit-pick

  2. Re:This is good, but... by sketerpot · · Score: 5, Informative
    Despite that, the W3C still has significant voice in what happens. Check out some of the stuff at W3Schools and you will see the way the w3c is pushing--toward technical excellence with the ability to make your pages look good and gracefully degrade. And these technologies are being adopted! If you compare the Distributed Proofreaders site to the Cartoon Network site, there is no doubt which is more usable. (note for those of you who may be so dense that you have doubts: not cartoon network). Guess who uses more w3c-friendly html?

    Sited like that are everywhere because many web sites are made by people who care about such things, rather than fawning over browser-specific stuff.

  3. Re:One-Click shopping by BroadbandBradley · · Score: 4, Informative

    this isn't about patents, this is about the W3C.org which is an internet standards group. there was this possibilty that they would charge folks to impliment what was considered the standard...oh hell read the story.

  4. Example of RAND in purposed W3C standards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you were wondering what they're talking about, it might be:

    in this submission

    An article talks about it on
    ZDnet

    which I probably found on an old slashdot article.

  5. Re:Nice, but by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
    To date, W3C has attempted to create unencumbered standards. You can't ever be sure that they are unencumbered, of course, some turkey could assert yet another patent on the Internet.

    But W3C was under pressure to create encumbered standards, mostly from big companies that would have made money from the royalties. Some companies that are usually considered our friends were working against us in this regard. Of course we didn't want to see them erect toll-booths on the Internet that would have, as a side-effect, locked out Open Source implementations.

    I think there may be a problem right now regarding the VoiceXML standard, which was chartered before this new policy is accepted.

    Bruce

  6. Re:A step up, but not good enough for RMS... by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Informative

    What's "royalty-free" today can become expensive tomorrow. There needs to be a legally binding promise that the patent is effectively surrendered, that is there's never going to be an attempt to use the patent rights, before that technology can be freely used as part of something else.

  7. Re:A step up, but not good enough for RMS... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
    The grant of patents with the W3C standards is not for all uses. It is only for the work necessary to implement the standard. So, you can use the algorithm in one place in your code, and not another. It's the best compromise we could get out of the patent holders. So, RMS has a valid point.

    Bruce

  8. Re:Royalty free - how 'bout JPG, for example? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
    Neither JPG or GIF are W3C specifications. HTML is a W3C standard, and includes them by reference only.

    Bruce

  9. Re:One-Click shopping by jki · · Score: 3, Informative
    guess Amazon is probably going to lose some money

    I guess this was mostly a joke, but in case it was not - you might be interested in knowing that:

    Amazon Tastes Its Own Patent-Pending Medicine and One-Click Shopping: litigation turns out unexpected real owner:
    Amazon (internet bookstore) received a US patent on reducing the need for data input in case of repeated ordering through a network like the WWW. Based on this patent, Amazon sought an injunction against a competing bookstore. Amazon had applied for the same patent at the EPO under EP0902381 in Sep. 1998 under the name "Method and system for placing a purchase order via a communications network". By the time a search report was issued by the EPO, this patent had already aroused an uproar in the USA, leading to the discovery of a lot of prior art. Under the impression of these facts, Amazon refrained from further pursuing the patent application at the EPO. Meanwhile it has turned out that the One-Click technique is "owned" by a subsidiary of Thomson Multimedia, which had obtained a similar patent a few years earlier.

    Whoever is going to try to force it - will be in trouble. Seems like there is previous art more than carry. Even I have made such a wonderful thing in 1997. Who has not :) :)

  10. Re:One-Click shopping by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Informative
    Rather it is that W3C working group members could have gained the right to charge implementors for patents held by those implementors.

    Hey folks, there are 100 other standards organizations where we have yet to win this fight.

    Thanks

    Bruce

  11. Re:Heh? SVG? by cygnus · · Score: 5, Informative
    I hope this puts flash out of bussines. It would be time for SVG to replace standard flash.

    arg. everytime one of these stories comes up, i end up linking to this site.

    SWF, Flash's file format, IS a free and open standard.

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  12. Re:A step up, but not good enough for RMS... by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Informative
    Software can't be Free as long as there are patent restrictions on it, even if you can use the patents royalty-free. Why?
    Because the "you can use" part is narrowly defined.

    Imagine that there's new standard for transmitting porn over HTTPS, that involves the use of my fictional patented "Sloppy Encryption Xtreme." I grant a royalty-free license to implement my encryption algorithm for HTTPS. Someone writes a GPLed web browser that uses it.

    Then next week, someone decides to take some of the GPLed code from the web browser, and use it in another project for puppy shredding machines. This other project doesn't involve web browsing or HTTP, but has some sort of use for Sloppy Encryption Xtreme (transmitting shredded puppy statistics to corporate headquarters, for example).

    Then I sue for patent infringement, because the license that I granted, is only for HTTPS implentations.

    Oops. That's bad. That's not Free.

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  13. Now it's official, not that it really matters.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I don't think the W3C would have ever consider, that strongly, adopting a standard which required royalties. I support that claim with common sense and a quote from:

    W3C Patent Policy Working Group Chairman Danny Weitzner, "Despite the lack of a policy, there has always been an understanding amongst the various contributors that the Internet and the Web wouldn't be possible or scalable unless their contributions were available to everyone on a royalty-free basis."

    So now there's a policy

  14. Does forgent have a case? by yerricde · · Score: 2, Informative

    What does this imply for the now patented and non-royalty-free JPG and GIF?

    The current thinking on the patent status of still JPEG 1 is that Forgent doesn't have a case.

    The patent on GIF's compression (U.S. Patent 4,558,302, owned by Unisys) is due to expire at the end of June. Patents that were once licensed royalty-free are quite hard to "evergreen".

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  15. GIF patent expires in 6 months, 6 days. by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative

    Patents have a reasonably short life. The "GIF patent" (#4,558,302), expires on June 20, 2003.

  16. Re:Heh? SVG? by vsync64 · · Score: 2, Informative
    It's worth noting, though, that there is no open source software implementation of the viewer.

    You are wrong. The really sad thing is how easy it was to prove this.

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