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Cold War Satellite Pics Declassified

wwwssabbsdotcom writes "Looks like 25 years ago, we were taking pretty good B&W pics of the rest of the world, interesting story. How about those Cuban Missile Crisis pics, do they have that roll available?"

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  1. Hello, this is the US, Israel's bitch. by InvaderSkooge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Contrary to earlier reports, NIMA is releasing virtually all of its imagery from these programs except for imagery of Israel.

    Now, I could be all suspicious, and beleive that this not showing Israel is in part so that we don't betray the fact we always knew about the Israeli nuke program, even back in its nascent stages, and look more like chumps who let Israel push us around and do the very things we claim not to tolerate from Hussein, and are pissed at North Korea about; but to do so would be paranoid and probably get pegged by the IAO as an Israel/America hating terrorist, and if there's one thing that crimps my discourse, it's thinking that I might be thought of as anti-american. (Stupid America, we suck.)

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    Erik
    YOU ARE SAYING IMPUDENCE TO ME! THAT IS IMPUDENCE!
    1. Re:Hello, this is the US, Israel's bitch. by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      US/UK/Israel/France all have an understanding.

      Since all four nations have the ability or have had the ability to photograph one another's sensitive areas, they have all agreed not to publish this information in an accurate form civilians or foriegn governments can access.

      Since Israel is a small nation with alot of military areas all over, it's one big excusion zone.

      Now then, what is the difference between Israel's nuclear program and Iran/Iraq/Libya/North Korea's nuclear program?

      Simple, Israel doesn't export nuclear technology. Israel and South Africa jointly developed atomic weapons and tested one in the South Indian Ocean (maybe). South Africa gave up it's weapons in the mid 90s and the Mossad was offing Nuclear Scientists in SA in 93-94.

      But even if one doesn't listen to the Zionist News Agencies, tell me one nation or group Israel shares technology with other then the US?

      They've done joint small-arms development with the Czechs. They's done armor and anti-tank work with Turkey. They've done MiG-21 upgrade work with Romania and other former WP MiG-21 operators. But no one, not even the most violent Israel haters has accused them of nuclear, chemical or bio weapon export.

      Yet with Libya/Iran/Iraq/North Korea/Pakistan and to some extent France and China, it's all about nuclear technology transfers for weaponizing.

      For everything Israel has done in the Middle East, or been accused of, they've not used chemical weapons. They've not fired nuclear capable ballistic missiles at 3 or 4 regional neighbors. They've not been running around trying to buy materials for nuclear devices or guns that shoot projectiles hundreds of miles.

      Syria and Egypt back in the United Arab Republic days used chemical weapons in Yemen. Iraq used them in the Iran-Iraq war. Iraq tossed FROG and SCUDs at Iran, Isreal, and Saudi Arabia. North Korea has activly tried to take-over South Korea and destabalize Japan.

      Israel doesn't have camps in the Negev for training Marxist/Republican/Maoist/Islamist/Anti-West terrorists like North Korea/Iran/Iraq/Libya have had or have.

    2. Re:Hello, this is the US, Israel's bitch. by InvaderSkooge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I feel compelled to note that's not completely accurate. The Palestine I'm talking about, the occupied palestine -- and I can see how you may have considered all of palestine, original Israel and all, sorry about that -- once belonged to local non-Israeli states (Jordan, Syria, Egypt and Lebanon(?) I think), and it was taken from them in the course of war. It does not matter whose land it really is. These questions that shape a lot of discourse on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict are not important besides in setting up the situation where we do our psycho-political profile of a nation, these morality assigning claims are not the issue.

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      Erik
      YOU ARE SAYING IMPUDENCE TO ME! THAT IS IMPUDENCE!
    3. Re:Hello, this is the US, Israel's bitch. by neocon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Umm, hello?

      If you haven't noticed, we don't publish images of military facilities in any of our allies. Israel, being one of only two examples of a free, open democracy in it's part of the world, is very definitely one such ally.

      But since you don't see any difference between a nation (like Israel or the US) which has had nukes for decades and never used them, and a nation like Iraq which has used every WMD it has ever gotten it's hands on, including against hundreds of thousands of its own people, I guess expecting you to think logically about the matter is a little much.

    4. Re:Hello, this is the US, Israel's bitch. by pauleir · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Perhaps you've forgotten that the US has used nuclear weapons in warfare (remember WWII?). Or that the US, as recently as the Gulf War, has deployed Depleted Uranium weapons (a simple google search will enlighten you).

      Stop thinking that the US is some holier than though state.

      Israel as well is no human rights champion. Just look at the atrocities that are going on in occupied Palestine.

  2. Re:Whose looking in your window? by phil+reed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, my comment was based on the laws of physics. You can throw as much technology as you want at the problem, but it's physically impossible for a Hubble-sized mirror, looking straight down from Hubble's altitude, to read a newspaper headline. You would have a hard time even telling that you were looking at a newspaper.

    We should avoid using spy movies as a basis for estimations on what our government is capable of.

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    ...phil
    "For a list of the ways which technology has failed to improve our quality of life, press 3."
  3. A number of interesting uses by d-Orb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While much of the talk here is about either seeing celebrities naked baking under the Mediterranean sun or spying axis-of-evil governments and the such, the main use these images will have is that they are the first imagery of the Earth from space available. They do record images of the poles from where ice cover can be estimated. Again, forest cover can also be estimated from a time before civilian satellites were a reality. In other words, these images provide us remote sensing data from quite a long while ago. This should help the investigation of better climatic models and so on.

  4. Re:Insteresting Little Story by mumblestheclown · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Absolute bollocks.

    While there may indeed have been film recovery of satellite films (this sounds marginal, but not outside of the realm of possibility), the idea that the film was designed at an airbase if the parachute failed is absolute bollocks.

    given the aerodynamics of a tumbling film canister and high altitude winds or whathave you, they'd be lucky to hit a given county, much less a given airbase. The plan is stupid--if the film cannister is designed to potentially survive a parachute-less fall, why would they bother with the parachute?

    That there was something top-secret flying near an airbase during the cold war is not hard to believe. The notion that this was a film cannister recovery device with lights on it (let me get this straight--it has lights on it AND is designed to renter the atmosphere?) is incredibly hard to believe.

  5. Re:Whose looking in your window? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well you don't need the space shuttle to get something into low earth orbit. In fact many of the commercial remote sensing satellites are fired up on rockets developed by Lockheed Martin, Orbital, etc.

    BTW, the U.S. government is currently allowing nonclassified LEO remote sensing sats of a .6 meter resolution. I would have to assume that the government has classified satellites with better resolutions.

  6. Re:The probable limit of spysats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Hiding secrets is easy. Just create a structure, temp. building, a parking garage etc., the US has been doing that for years. As in "You can't unfold these plans unless you're in the shed".

  7. Re:The probable limit of spysats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Except when you are an incredibly genious country like india.

    Then you can access this thing called the internet, find out what times which satellites are passing overhead,

    AND BUILD YOUR NUKES WHILE THEY ARE NOT WATCHING...