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Bobby Fischer FBI Files Released Under FOIA

An anonymous reader writes: "Philidelphia Inquirer has a stroy detailing the results of a FOIA request for chess great Bobby Fischer." Turns out they thought the anti-semitic chess grandmaster(and his mother) was a soviet spy.

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  1. The worth of Bobby Fischer by King+of+the+World · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just in case anyone was wondering whether the FBI were getting this guy all wrong here's Bobby Fischer's radio call-in on 9/11 applauding the terrorists [mp3] [Newspaper report on Bobby Fischer's 9/11 radio call].

    1. Re:The worth of Bobby Fischer by Xerithane · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It depends partly on where you are from. It is possible to make a decent living as an International Master (the next step down) or even lower, just by playing lots of tournaments with cash prizes. But, it is easier in certain countries.

      Sorry, have to interject here. It's not quite right. Currently, FIDE recognizes 565 individuals as being Grand Masters. There are 108 World Grand Masters, which is different than International Master. (FIDE is rather strange with how they work)

      The way you make money as a Master+ is not through tournaments. Most tournaments you wont win a purse big enough unless you are in the top 50. However, you can still make a good amount of money. Teaching and authoring is one of the best ways to make a living as a chess player. You do not have to be a Grand Master or International Master to teach and get paid. 2200+ (Master rating) will get you enough prestige to be paid well. I can make money (1800+) teaching, but only about $10/hour, so I'm better off programming.

      Other than Fischer the Russians have owned the World Championship since at least the '60s.

      True, but that was purely because Chess was/is a career in Russia/USSR. Look at the history of Tal and Keres (They each have pretty detailed autobiographies) where they played chess from early on, and that was the only job they knew/know.

      You can make big money in tournaments, but it isn't likely. I teach chess for free to anyone who asks, but my lessons aren't as intense as one a master would give. It's good for the starting players, especially someone who wants to get into "cafe chess"

      That's why Fischer's win against Spassky in '72 was so incredible. Basically, one man with relatively little support took down the best the Russian chess organization could send. Other than Fischer the Russians have owned the World Championship since at least the '60s.

      This is also why Fischer is so resentful towards the US. The US still failed to offer him any support even after the defeat Spassky took. He changed the US image in FIDE (There are over 170 countries that are members of FIDE) -- it's like soccer. No one expects the US to ever win the world cup, then you get one person that wins it single-handedly, then the US doesn't really acknowledge a damn thing. I can understand his resentment, not to the point of applauding terrorist attacks, though. It's not hard for one man to beat 5 of Russians best. It is hard to still not get any support from the nation you are playing for.

      The US did a lot of bad things to Fischer, and I for one don't expect him to forgive the US. However, I don't support him or think he's a nice fellow. I can just understand a set of his feelings. My idol is Paul Keres

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  2. Consider this... by rufusdufus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bobby Fischer's wild paranoid anti-semitic rants really make him come across as a total asshole.
    Some time after he was locked out of the USA by the state department, he would go onto foreign radio shows and say the most outrageous things.

    In his own opinion, he did more for the image of the US during the cold war than any other individual. Indeed.

    And they fucked his family and him over. Instead of respect he got suspicion and hounding.

    So perhaps in his own opinion, he can do more to damage the image of the USA by spouting off. Retracting and degrading everything he did for the US image.

    Trying to take back what he gave them.

  3. Re:John McCain by geek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, no one wants to hear about what happened in vietnam. It was one of the ugliest wars in history. Its a vast and complex issue that brings up a lot of feelings, good and bad.

    Ultimately, both sides were wrong. However there are a lot of people that just wanna beat America down, for a multitude of personal reasons, so America is the bad guy.

    No one wants to hear about how South and North Vietnam were at war long before we came into the picture. That we were asked to help because of our minor success in Korea.

    I think a true testament of what we are made of as a country is the fact we came together after vietname. Russie fell apart after its war in Afghanistan, literally. America learned a lot of lessons in the 60's and 70's and so far hasn't repeated any of those same mistakes.

    Blah, whatever, no matter what we say in a slashdot thread, the world still hates the top dog. Just part of life I suppose.

  4. National Security by Detritus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The FBI did have a legitimate national security interest in the Fischers. His mother lived and attended medical school in the Soviet Union. The KGB and GRU recruited agents from foreign students attending schools in the Soviet Union. His father fought against the fascists in the Spanish Civil War. That in itself isn't a problem, but it puts him in a group that was heavily infiltrated and influenced by the Communist Party and Soviet intelligence operations. The FBI didn't have the right to harass the Fischers, but I think they had a legitimate national security interest in investigating their activities to see if they were involved in espionage or other crimes. The CPUSA (Communist Party USA) was heavily involved in Soviet espionage operations.

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  5. Re:In the words of Ben Kingsley, by LinuxGeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A truely great movie, I've watched it about ten times over the last few years. It has a great Bobby Fischer narrative woven into the story of Josh Waitzkin that prompted me to read more about Mr. Fischer. I have gotten the impression that he and his family were hounded enough by the FBI to drive them towards the mindset that they were being investigated for in the first place.

    Bobby Fischer seemed to drop his interaction with most people when the FBI would investigate the people he came into contact with. It would be enough to make me very paranoid at a minimum. When I try to emulate his perspective based on his approach to chess, it gets more interesting.

    Look at a chess board and see a massive parallel and deep attack. The pieces only represent positions, the real battle is mental between two powers. Victory comes from overpowering and outlasting your opponent. If you loose concentration and perspective, it is easy for your opponent to start using your own pieces against you by limiting your movments with your pieces. That seems to explain his withdrawal from public interaction, he limited the liability of having others around that would be a liability. He would have seen the FBI as an opponent with thousands of pieces that had to be controlled. If most of those that would be considered his opponents could only focus on him, then they became the ones that had limited movment and got in each others way.

    It is late and I may be rambling a bit, but for a perspective on the different level of mental capability Bobby Fischer has over the average person,
    read this google cached page about Josh Waitzkin and try to relate. Josh has studied Bobby Fischer in great depth and can see many of the flaws in Bobby's game/life. From what I can see from Bobby Fischers perspective, I would have become a paraniod freak from the pressures that he and his family endured.

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  6. Re:Anti-Semitic = on the FBI's most wanted list by yeOldeSkeptic · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The arab nations in the middle east attacked Israel repeatedly without provocation. Each defeat has made them more and more hostile. Between terrorist actions like the slaughter of the Israeli Olympic team and wars of agression from the First Arab-Israeli War onward, it's easy to be sympathetic to Israel.

    And it is easy to make generalizations if one is unknowledgeable about the history of Palestine. I think you should read this in order to understand the roots of the present Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Keep this in mind: In the beginning of the 20th century only one person in 10 living in Palestine is a Jew. Now it is exactly reversed.

    Put yourself in the shoes of the Palestinians: you have no american supplied F-16s, no Merkava tanks, no way of waging a Geneva Convention type war. How are you going to fight for your beliefs, your people and your history? Is it a wonder that the only way a desperate people can fight is through suicide bombings?

    Please do not immediately label me an anti-semitic. I do not hate Jews, but I do deplore how the Israeli (and specially the Sharon) government's treatment of the Palestinian problem seems to mirror the way Hitler treated the Jewish problem. One has only to read Israeli newspapers to realize that many Israelis themselves are aware of these and actually criticize their own government.

    I know many Jews here will agree with me. The problem with Israel is that it is not a nation of Israelis but a Jewish state. For as long as the Israeli government refuses to make itself into a truly representative, truly non-discriminatory nation it will continue to hold the entire world hostage to its ailment.

  7. Re:man o man by dze · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Have you read any of Fine's stuff, such as "The Psychology of the Chess Player"? He's a real wacko too. He has all these Freudian "theories" that defy description, e.g.
    The profuse phallic symbolism of chess provides some fantasy gratification for the homosexual, particularly the desire for mutual masturbation.
    This isn't to say that he got the Fischer diagnosis wrong but he had has own issues, to say the least.
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