Intel X-Scale Processor at 400MHz/300MHz, 32-64MB SDRAM Memory, 32-48MB Flash. Looks like it could run Linux quite easily. I've got a similar design just next to me here running it quite happily.
Let's see... oh!, Microsoft® Pocket PC 2002 Premium ! That's very surprising coming from Dell. I'll sit back and wait for the Wal-Mart $100 Linux handheld;-)
Re:Guess the OS
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 3, Interesting
Looks nice, but nothing really special or new. If I hadn't just bought a Toshiba, I might have picked up one of these.
It'd be nice if they'd make a ruggedized version for field use too. My company currently has to go to companies like Symbol and Intermec for ruggedized Pocket PC devices. (We get nearly everything else from Dell.)
Re:Comparisons please...
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madshot
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· Score: 3, Informative
I think the iPAQ runs at 206 mhz (I have one). The only thing I can think of that is a major plus to buying the dell over the iPAQ is the price. The iPAQ is nice, but you really pay out the nose for it, but you also pay out the nose because everyone devlopes for it.
All the iPAQs have very specific standards so that almost any accessory that you get will work on just about every iPAQ (actually I haven't found an accessory yet that only works on a specifc iPAQ, I think some older iPAQs didn't have CF flash). Plus, the iPAQ can run linux:)
The Dell might be able to run Linux at somepoint, but I haven't looked into it as it is really new.
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Available in the UK
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johnburton
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· Score: 5, Informative
I emailed dell last week to see if, or when these would be available in the UK. I got back a reply saying they'd passed my message on to the appropriate person but other than that no reply for 3 working days now.
They can't want to sell them very much.
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The cheaper one is most interesting
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uradu
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· Score: 5, Interesting
This should be the first handheld with TFT color, 32MB RAM and two expansion slots for under $200. Except for the porky-looking dimensions this should beat the pants off Palm or Sony. Maybe Sony will lower the price on the PEG-SJ30 to under $200 in response.
Re:XScale processor?
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Insightful
XScale is based on the StrongARM whoes technology was bought in when they bought Digital. The StrongARM is basically an ARM with silicon fab improvements to make it go faster than the standard ARMs of the time.
Basically XScale == ARM processor and is as compatible with other ARM processors as much as Intel x86 are compatible with AMD, Cyrix, etc.
The advantage of ARM and StrongARM and XScale is that they are very cheap, fast, and consume little power so are ideal for mobile phones, hand helds, etc, etc.
Linux runs on ARM so Linux should be able to be ported to it.
Obligatory Palm question
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Mr_Silver
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Given that yet another manufacturer has released yet another PPC, can anyone speculate why there is this rash of companies eager to jump on the PPC bandwagon but only Sony who are with Palm?
(yes, I know there is Handera and Handspring, but one has pretty much vanished and the other is doing smartphones)
How did Microsoft manage to attract all these companies and Palm fail rather miserably? What is MS doing that Palm isn't?
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Re:Obligatory Palm question
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Junta
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· Score: 5, Insightful
Two things:
1) It's MS. Unfortunately, that in and of itself given equal footing will typically cause many companies to ditch anyone else. They see the computer industry and don't want to end up on the losing end if MS does the same thing in the handheld market.
2) Palm's m68k platform quickly became underpowered after their release. Despite this clear fact, they kept going on it. Only recently with the release of their Tungsten handheld have they made strides toward a more powerful platform (ARM). It may already be too late, but this is the direction Palm has to take to even regain equal footing. That being said, among many managers especially the name Palm carries some weight and they will buy Palm brand PDAs while only comparing the specs to other Palm products...
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Re:Obligatory Palm question
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johnburton
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Basically palm introduced their PDA a few years ago and they were good at the time, but they've gone nowhere since. PPC's are a generation later and are more powerful, have better software, faster, more memory and are more compatible with the software people use on their computers.
Basically the palm you can buy now is identical to the one you could get four years ago except it's in a new box and has a bit more memory maybe.
Because the pocket pc things are "bigger" machines, a lot more of the interesting software has been developed for them.
The new palms look a bit better but they still seem rather outdated compared with their competition. Their new OS6 when it comes out next year looks interesting though.
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Re:Obligatory Palm question
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AKnightCowboy
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· Score: 5, Interesting
What is MS doing that Palm isn't?
Marketing? I'd much rather have a PPC than a Palm these days. The 802.11b adapter for the Palm sucks, there's no decent web browser and it's nothing but an expensive datebook. The PPC on the other hand has a nice windows media player, pocket internet explorer, pocket office apps, compact flash slots to accomodate 802.11b wireless cards, etc. Yea, we can all pretend to hate Microsoft, but the PPC stuff is just fabulous. Xbox, Pocket PC, mice, keyboards, etc. If only Microsoft could turn a profit in these other areas where they actually DO produce something cool and not lame old Windows and Office it'd be exciting.
Re:Obligatory Palm question
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tmark
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· Score: 5, Funny
What is MS doing that Palm isn't? Making money ? (cymbal crash)
Average response around the world to this announcement being passed on by IT department:
Dell do a handheld? - like my desktop and laptop? Is it black? Does it have a nice carry case? Will it 'work with my laptop'? OK I'll have one! Sweet!
Suit gets a new toy IT get something else to support thats likely to break a lot Corp spending rises again
Bingo! Worlds problems solved in a oner! Poor old Palm.
Battery life
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Koos+Baster
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· Score: 5, Insightful
Hmm. Either 1440 mAh (standard) or 3400 mAh (optional) Li-Ion rechargeables; but a back-lit screen, 400MHz XScale, 64MB ram, and a Microsoft OS. Will this thing be usable for more than one hour without an adapter one year after I've bought it, or is this yet another handheld that's supposed to remain at my desktop?
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Re:Battery life
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thatguywhoiam
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· Score: 5, Insightful
Will this thing be usable for more than one hour without an adapter one year after I've bought it, or is this yet another handheld that's supposed to remain at my desktop?
Since they don't quote any specifics about battery time on the site, I'd say the latter.
To those of you who are bemoaning Palm/Sony's 'abysmal lagging' in terms of specs, I suggest you put this particular factoid in perspective.
While the Palm hardware platform has not evolved much, the battery life (to my mind) is a gigantic make-or-break feature. Palm's problem is that the first version of what they made worked pretty well, and subsequant versions too well. 5 years worth of appointments, phone numbers, and to-do lists, and the battery goes for weeks and weeks. That's it. That's what it does. It does this really well.
PocketPCs are really just glorified minilaptops. Which is why the Newton failed. The Enterprise people might appreciate them but for most others they simply do not do the job. Sure, more than powerful enough, but what good is all that power if it dies 1 hour into a plane trip? All the l33t specs in the world will not help a dead PocketPC. And a wimpy Palm will keep doing what it says it does.
Colour displays and multimedia are all fine and good, but I'd never ever give up battery life. For what Palm professes to do, it works great. The PocketPC platforms are seriously overdesigned IMHO.
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Re:Rebate? What-EVER
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ergo98
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· Score: 5, Insightful
I actually disregard post-rebate prices as in my personal experience I actually receive about 1 out of every 4 promised rebates (which makes sense: Why are so many companies addicated to rebates? Because they don't actually give them out in many cases). Personally I think rebates should be illegal as there is virtually nothing redeeming about them, yet they are the center of a vast swath of problems:
-Overtaxation (you don't get the taxes back for the overpayment that you've made) -Misreported company expenses (overcharging purchases when a rebate is actually received) -Employee theft (employees who send in the rebate under their own name)
etc. Rebates are dirty and it's sad that so many organizations are addicted to them now.
Re:Christ, not this again
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tmark
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· Score: 5, Insightful
Why was such capitalistic nonsense included in the story writeup? Most of us here don't really care about money;
Well the world would certainly be a better place with more people like you, wouldn't it ?
If you think that most of the people who read this website (read: "us here") aren't interested in prices, then you're nuts. A good part of the story of technology is about how inexpensive it becomes. (And if you really don't care about the money, I wonder why you're not giving away closer to 100% of your salary).
for the conspiracy theorists
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F2F
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· Score: 3, Interesting
and this one runs a host of other, non-MS operating systems...
Re:for the conspiracy theorists
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gwizah
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· Score: 3, Informative
Read: The h1910 is built on an Intel xScale 200MHz CPU...
$299
Intel® X-ScaleTM Processor at 400MHz
@ $299
Winner = Dell.
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Re:XScale processor?
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mikeage
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· Score: 3, Informative
I don't know about the hardware itself, but there is a software reason for XScale not to run as fast as it can on Pocket PCs: Microsoft was too lazy to recompile the OS to optimize it for the new chips.
Well, ok, let's back up a minute. First, the XScale processors can run in ARM emulation mode, and a 400MHz can match, but not really beat, a 206MHz StrongARM chip. Before you bash MS for not "recompiling," let's just remember what things were like when PocketPC's ran either SH3, SH4, MIPS, or ARM processors, and what a pain that was. If you want to go back... everything today is "IBM PC or 100% compatible." Remember 95% compatibility? (I didn't think so). Standardizing on a processor architecture is a GOOD thing... how well would AMD's do if they weren't Intel compatible?
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Product Review
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toupsie
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· Score: 3, Insightful
Its a PDA. It runs Pocket PC 2002. It only works with Windows. It costs $299. Yawn.
This not a new PDA, just a faster retread from a company that never produced a PDA before.
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Size matters...
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Viewsonic
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· Score: 5, Insightful
While I dont mine the WINCE OS and the apps etc.. The size of all these things are just too big to carry around. Compared to a totally slim Palm, it's like night and day. I have yet to find a nice slim and AFFORDABLE WINCE handheld...I own a Cassiopia and it's mostly a clock now because it pulls my pants down around my ankles when I put it in my pocket. Belts are for the weak.
Re:Size matters...
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purplemonkeydan
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· Score: 3, Interesting
Try the Viewsonic V35. It's the thinnest Pocket PC available, and seems to be on par with Palm thickness wise.
Re:Size matters...
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the+gnat
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· Score: 3, Informative
I actually liked the iPaq even with PocketPC 2002- all sorts of things I consider crippling annoyances on Windows (over-dependence on icons and GUI) work very well there, and the familiarity of the interface is a plus. It seemed to run very smoothly, too- must have been a huge leap from CE. The screen was gorgeous on the model I tried, and the machine actually felt reasonably fast. I've never been much impressed with PalmOS handhelds (except for the awesome clamshell Clie models, and they have problems too). But I'd normally rather have my pubic hairs plucked out than use Windows for any length of time, and I loved the iPaq the first time I used it.
However, these things can get out of control in a hurry. My coworkers bought the entire PCMCIA cradle, and at that point it won't fit into any pocket outside of a large winter jacket. Then we threw in my wireless card, and we ended up having this ridiculously obese little gadget with an antenna sticking out that wrung every last bit of life out of the batteries in a few minutes. This was only partially compensated for by the coolness factor of controlling our NT PDC through Windows Terminal Services on the iPaq.
I'd once thought that high-end handhelds needed Microdrives before they became truly useful, but Flash memory is so cheap that a much more fragile hard drive would be superfluous. Still, I'd like to have one of these (or rather the Zaurus, since I'm a Unix programmer) with integrated 802.11, which would enable me to throw in all sorts of other gadgets and/or a shitload of memory and still have full connectivity.
The Answer to *WHY* Is Obvious
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dbretton
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· Score: 3, Insightful
If you look at the problem from the correct perspective. That perspective, of course, is corporate computer sales/leases. One of the things which Compaq brings to the negotiations table, when dealing with large computer leases/purchases, is the ability to toss in WinCE PDAs (iPaq's). Many times, the PDA's are sold at a cut rate, or given away to sweeten the deal. This is a nice benefit for companies, and is an area where Dell has been lacking. Now they can offer WinCE PDA's at a significantly cheaper price than the iPaq's. This removes one of the few selling advantages which Compaq held over Dell.
You have to remember that Dell is a pragmatic and logical company. They don't offer things for sale that won't sell. This will sell. Dell's OS choice WON'T hurt their sales amongst the tech community, or at least the tech community that matters. There's plenty of Windows using techies out that you know. The ones who use Linux tend to lack the jobs and income to be able to buy nice things like this to begin with. Besides moron, you could wipe the thing and install Linux on it. That should be enough to get you frothing at the bits.
Last time I checked, PocketPC devices were faster than Palms, had plenty of applications and are gaining in marketshare. I'm a Palm user myself but I see no sense in denying the truth. Fault Palm for dropping the ball for taking so long to come out with a new OS (Palm OS 6 with Be technology). You can't slack when MS is on your tail.
-- Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
How about some reviews...
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dbretton
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· Score: 5, Informative
Product Differentiation
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PureCreditor
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· Score: 5, Insightful
Has anyone noticed that Dell's A5, like most other PPC devices out there, contains nearly no product differentiation. They only differ by CPU and RAM, and some devices have identical specs.
Product differentiation is key to broad audience acceptance. Sony Clie's are popular because they have regular (T) and clamshell designs (NR/NX). Nokia phones are popular because their designs differ, on top of specs. Notice how most Samsung and LG phones are clamshell design, which immediate removed it's appeal from half the people who prefer candy-bar style phones.
Re:XScale processor?
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ceswiedler
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· Score: 4, Interesting
I do development on PocketPC, and I can confirm that the Toshiba e740 (which is XScale) does run slower per mhz than other chips. It's several hundred mhz faster than the Casio (MIPS) device we use, but from a user perspective it runs about the same. (For some operations it's much faster.) I've read that Intel requires changes to the PPC kernel to take better advantage of the XScale. When we upgraded the firmware on some of the devices (upgrading the PPC kernel in the process) they did run a little bit faster. Under PPC 2002, they stopped supporting multiple instruction sets (ARM, MIPS, SH4 etc) and standardized on the ARM op set. Whether there's much overhead in doing this on the XScale, I don't know.
Re:Rebate? What-EVER
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That_Dan_Guy
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· Score: 3, Interesting
My wife lives on Rebates. So far, of the 30 or 40 we've sent in over the last year only one has failed to show up.
If I were you, I'd take extra care in filling out those forms legibily and completely. Then keep track of what you've sent. Most of the time you can find out the status of your rebates if you write down some phone numbers before you send off the forms. A few can even be checked on the Web.
The rules also must be followed. Many times the employees at the stores are clueless and think everything can be rebated. Store managers are only a little better, and only if you get them to read the forms, which you can do anyway.
I'm just going to cut and paste a reply to a similar post.
"I don't doubt serious Unix admins and coders make more than their Windows counterparts. The only thing is there are less of them. So its only a factor when the Unix folks actually have jobs. Otherwise its the Windows weenies who are the ones who have the money to buy these things."
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the other $199 handheld after rebate? Why no mention of that?
The name is Axim, as in "Axe him", not "Axmin" as in "Axe the admin"... uhm... OK, so there's little difference between the two. Fine.
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Intel X-Scale Processor at 400MHz/300MHz, 32-64MB SDRAM Memory, 32-48MB Flash. Looks like it could run Linux quite easily. I've got a similar design just next to me here running it quite happily.
For $399 can I get one without a giant red bow? I'm not sure the extra bulge in my pants is necessary.
Let's see ... oh!, Microsoft® Pocket PC 2002 Premium ! That's very surprising coming from Dell. I'll sit back and wait for the Wal-Mart $100 Linux handheld ;-)
Looks nice, but nothing really special or new. If I hadn't just bought a Toshiba, I might have picked up one of these. It'd be nice if they'd make a ruggedized version for field use too. My company currently has to go to companies like Symbol and Intermec for ruggedized Pocket PC devices. (We get nearly everything else from Dell.)
All the iPAQs have very specific standards so that almost any accessory that you get will work on just about every iPAQ (actually I haven't found an accessory yet that only works on a specifc iPAQ, I think some older iPAQs didn't have CF flash). Plus, the iPAQ can run linux :)
The Dell might be able to run Linux at somepoint, but I haven't looked into it as it is really new.
Obama = Socialism.
I emailed dell last week to see if, or when these would be available in the UK. I got back a reply saying they'd passed my message on to the appropriate person but other than that no reply for 3 working days now. They can't want to sell them very much.
Sig is taking a break!
This should be the first handheld with TFT color, 32MB RAM and two expansion slots for under $200. Except for the porky-looking dimensions this should beat the pants off Palm or Sony. Maybe Sony will lower the price on the PEG-SJ30 to under $200 in response.
XScale is based on the StrongARM whoes technology was bought in when they bought Digital. The StrongARM is basically an ARM with silicon fab improvements to make it go faster than the standard ARMs of the time.
Basically XScale == ARM processor and is as compatible with other ARM processors as much as Intel x86 are compatible with AMD, Cyrix, etc.
The advantage of ARM and StrongARM and XScale is that they are very cheap, fast, and consume little power so are ideal for mobile phones, hand helds, etc, etc.
Linux runs on ARM so Linux should be able to be ported to it.
(yes, I know there is Handera and Handspring, but one has pretty much vanished and the other is doing smartphones)
How did Microsoft manage to attract all these companies and Palm fail rather miserably? What is MS doing that Palm isn't?
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But what's that red thing on the left topside? Some sort of redtooth antenna?
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Please place all the "Dude! you're getting a..." missives right under this thread for accurate accounting. Thanks!
Average response around the world to this announcement being passed on by IT department:
Dell do a handheld? - like my desktop and laptop? Is it black? Does it have a nice carry case? Will it 'work with my laptop'? OK I'll have one! Sweet!
Suit gets a new toy
IT get something else to support thats likely to break a lot
Corp spending rises again
Bingo! Worlds problems solved in a oner! Poor old Palm.
Hmm. Either 1440 mAh (standard) or 3400 mAh (optional) Li-Ion rechargeables; but a back-lit screen, 400MHz XScale, 64MB ram, and a Microsoft OS. Will this thing be usable for more than one hour without an adapter one year after I've bought it, or is this yet another handheld that's supposed to remain at my desktop?
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But in practice there is
I actually disregard post-rebate prices as in my personal experience I actually receive about 1 out of every 4 promised rebates (which makes sense: Why are so many companies addicated to rebates? Because they don't actually give them out in many cases). Personally I think rebates should be illegal as there is virtually nothing redeeming about them, yet they are the center of a vast swath of problems:
-Overtaxation (you don't get the taxes back for the overpayment that you've made)
-Misreported company expenses (overcharging purchases when a rebate is actually received)
-Employee theft (employees who send in the rebate under their own name)
etc. Rebates are dirty and it's sad that so many organizations are addicted to them now.
Why was such capitalistic nonsense included in the story writeup? Most of us here don't really care about money;
Well the world would certainly be a better place with more people like you, wouldn't it ?
If you think that most of the people who read this website (read: "us here") aren't interested in prices, then you're nuts. A good part of the story of technology is about how inexpensive it becomes. (And if you really don't care about the money, I wonder why you're not giving away closer to 100% of your salary).
wonder why no mention of the new HP iPAQ released today with the very same price ($299) http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/28146.html ..
and this one runs a host of other, non-MS operating systems...
I don't know about the hardware itself, but there is a software reason for XScale not to run as fast as it can on Pocket PCs: Microsoft was too lazy to recompile the OS to optimize it for the new chips.
Well, ok, let's back up a minute. First, the XScale processors can run in ARM emulation mode, and a 400MHz can match, but not really beat, a 206MHz StrongARM chip. Before you bash MS for not "recompiling," let's just remember what things were like when PocketPC's ran either SH3, SH4, MIPS, or ARM processors, and what a pain that was. If you want to go back... everything today is "IBM PC or 100% compatible." Remember 95% compatibility? (I didn't think so). Standardizing on a processor architecture is a GOOD thing... how well would AMD's do if they weren't Intel compatible?
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This not a new PDA, just a faster retread from a company that never produced a PDA before.
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
Here's a review from CNET.
While I dont mine the WINCE OS and the apps etc .. The size of all these things are just too big to carry around. Compared to a totally slim Palm, it's like night and day. I have yet to find a nice slim and AFFORDABLE WINCE handheld...I own a Cassiopia and it's mostly a clock now because it pulls my pants down around my ankles when I put it in my pocket. Belts are for the weak.
If you look at the problem from the correct perspective.
That perspective, of course, is corporate computer sales/leases.
One of the things which Compaq brings to the negotiations table, when dealing with large computer leases/purchases, is the ability to toss in WinCE PDAs (iPaq's). Many times, the PDA's are sold at a cut rate, or given away to sweeten the deal. This is a nice benefit for companies, and is an area where Dell has been lacking.
Now they can offer WinCE PDA's at a significantly cheaper price than the iPaq's. This removes one of the few selling advantages which Compaq held over Dell.
You have to remember that Dell is a pragmatic and logical company. They don't offer things for sale that won't sell. This will sell. Dell's OS choice WON'T hurt their sales amongst the tech community, or at least the tech community that matters. There's plenty of Windows using techies out that you know. The ones who use Linux tend to lack the jobs and income to be able to buy nice things like this to begin with. Besides moron, you could wipe the thing and install Linux on it. That should be enough to get you frothing at the bits.
Last time I checked, PocketPC devices were faster than Palms, had plenty of applications and are gaining in marketshare. I'm a Palm user myself but I see no sense in denying the truth. Fault Palm for dropping the ball for taking so long to come out with a new OS (Palm OS 6 with Be technology). You can't slack when MS is on your tail.
Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
here's one
here's another
and another
Product differentiation is key to broad audience acceptance. Sony Clie's are popular because they have regular (T) and clamshell designs (NR/NX). Nokia phones are popular because their designs differ, on top of specs. Notice how most Samsung and LG phones are clamshell design, which immediate removed it's appeal from half the people who prefer candy-bar style phones.
I do development on PocketPC, and I can confirm that the Toshiba e740 (which is XScale) does run slower per mhz than other chips. It's several hundred mhz faster than the Casio (MIPS) device we use, but from a user perspective it runs about the same. (For some operations it's much faster.) I've read that Intel requires changes to the PPC kernel to take better advantage of the XScale. When we upgraded the firmware on some of the devices (upgrading the PPC kernel in the process) they did run a little bit faster. Under PPC 2002, they stopped supporting multiple instruction sets (ARM, MIPS, SH4 etc) and standardized on the ARM op set. Whether there's much overhead in doing this on the XScale, I don't know.
My wife lives on Rebates. So far, of the 30 or 40 we've sent in over the last year only one has failed to show up.
If I were you, I'd take extra care in filling out those forms legibily and completely. Then keep track of what you've sent. Most of the time you can find out the status of your rebates if you write down some phone numbers before you send off the forms. A few can even be checked on the Web.
The rules also must be followed. Many times the employees at the stores are clueless and think everything can be rebated. Store managers are only a little better, and only if you get them to read the forms, which you can do anyway.
I'm just going to cut and paste a reply to a similar post.
"I don't doubt serious Unix admins and coders make more than their Windows counterparts. The only thing is there are less of them. So its only a factor when the Unix folks actually have jobs. Otherwise its the Windows weenies who are the ones who have the money to buy these things."
Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.