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Movielink Snubs DRM-less Macs

mcwetboy writes "CNET reports that the Macintosh is being shut out of online movie services like Movielink, and connects it to the Mac's lack of digital-rights management. From the article: '[Apple VP] Schiller says Apple has not released much in the way of protective technology ... because effective techniques for securing content without interfering with the experience of consumers have not yet been invented.' A consumer-friendly attitude towards DRM may be a double-edged sword (content may not be made available for that platform), but if the content is locked out of the Mac for that reason, do I really want it anyway?" In other news, the USSR provided free bread only to the poor people.

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  1. Re:DRM's dirty little secret by BrookHarty · · Score: 5, Informative

    I use http://sourceforge.net/projects/asfrecorder/ to download those nice protected microsoft media files.

    OF course for how long it will still work, I have no idea.

  2. Re:Oh Well by derch · · Score: 2, Informative

    For the Americans who live far enough away from a video store (something that is rather rare now), there's also Netflix. Since it's delivered by the USPS, every American household has access to the latest movies.

    To the person replying saying there are no mom and pop vid stores, you just need to get out of the suburb where there's no mom & pop *anything*. Many cities, towns, and villages have independant video stores.

  3. Re:DRM's dirty little secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative
    As Steve Jobs has pointed out is that DRM's dirty little secret is that it does not work and will always be hackable

    Repeat after me slowly:

    IP protection is not about ABSOLUTE protection any more than "the club" is absolute protection against car theft. IP protection / DRM schemes are about making infringement LESS CONVENIENT and MORE OBVIOUSLY ILLEGAL to those doing it and thus marginalizing it to the true bedroom criminals and technogeeks.

    Haven't you ever figured out that you can't find as many songs on gnutella as you could on Napster because of this?

  4. A couple points of technical followup by benwaggoner · · Score: 3, Informative

    Some technical points on Mac DRM:

    Windows Media for MacOS only supports WM DRM v1, which only supports the older WMV7 codec, not the WMV8 MovieLink is using. Presumably they're using DRM 7.1 (7.0 was cracked). However, MovieLink will run on Windows 98, which doesn't support the Secure Audio Path, so there isn't a huge technical DRM difference here.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/wm 7/ drm/offering.asp

    Real's subscription service is available for MacOS X with the full functionality of Windows, so their DRM is presumably feature complete cross-platform. And I believe for Linux as well, but I haven't checked.

  5. Re:Oh Well by derch · · Score: 2, Informative

    That link should be http://www.netflix.com.

  6. Clinton couldn't have stopped the DMCA by yerricde · · Score: 2, Informative

    Free speech in your precious USA was done in by Wee-Willy Clinton back in '98

    The U.S. Congress passed both the DMCA and the Bono Act by "unanimous consent" aka "voice vote", a measure that requires the support of 81 percent of each house. (The Constitution provides that 20 percent opposition can force a roll-call vote.) The President can veto a bill, but it only takes 67 percent of each house to override the veto. So even if then-President Clinton had vetoed the DMCA, it wouldn't have made much difference.

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    1. Re:Clinton couldn't have stopped the DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      You forget that Clinton had a great deal to do with pushing the version of the DMCA that Valenti wanted.

      There were alternatives in both House (Boucher) and Senate (Ashcroft) that would have outlawed circumvention only in cases of actual copyright infringement. I believe Boucher's bill may even have specified that the penalties for circumvention in that case would be proportional to the penalties for the type of infringement.

      Valenti pronounced this unacceptable, sniffing in the press that only bills that outlawed circumvention in ALL cases would be "acceptable".

      BTW, Gore introduced the bill to make SCMS copy protection mandatory on DAT recorders. He also made comments to the effect that the real solution was to change copyright law to make things easier for copy protection. Reading between the lines, it didn't sound like he had the public's rights in mind then, and once the DMCA came around, the meaning of those remarks became even more obvious.

  7. Re:anyone know who to email? by Karma+Sink · · Score: 5, Informative

    sjobs@apple.com

    He actually reads it. I've worked in Apple support, and I've seen him respond to a customer's e-mail a few times. He's the big gun, and he'll notice if his mailbox gets slashdotted with praising e-mails on this subject.

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  8. Re:Apple ALREADY uses DRM? by Knobby · · Score: 3, Informative

    You need an Audible account to purchase the tracks, but once they're on your iPod, there's really nothing stopping you from sucking it off with any one of a dozen utilities.

  9. Re:Do Americans Want Freedom or Bread and Circuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Freedom to write code. Code is a form of expression. DRM makes certain code illegal, *no matter how you use that code*. When such code becomes essential (e.g. DRM hard drives) expressions like Linux effectively become illegal.

  10. Re:When Apples Introduces DRM... by g4dget · · Score: 4, Informative
    Roughly, that you're free to copy it for personal use: backup copies, conversions into formats that are more convenient. There are also additional rights regarding research and educational use. For example, I should be able to use short video clips from a movie to illustrate some points about graphics or image processing in a research paper.

    For a more detailed explanation, take a look here:

    http://www.eff.org/cafe/gross1.html



  11. Re:Unfortunately, this isn't true by Sanity · · Score: 3, Informative
    What happens if we don't _buy_ DRM tech? Right, it fizzles
    Just imagine, you are Joe consumer, you are in Bestbuy, and you are picking out your next computer. The sales guy says "Hey, this is the latest Pentium 5, and it has this thing called DRM which gives it the ability to play movies and music from the Internet!". You ask "hey, but what about that AMD over there?". He replies "ah, you don't want that, it doesn't have DRM".

    Which do you buy?

  12. Re:Get ready. by CashCarSTAR · · Score: 2, Informative

    "I pay for the software others steal. I pay for the music others steal."

    Actually you don't. Software, music and movies are sold at industry standard prices for the most part that stand completely aside from how many copies they actually sell. They are priced depending on what they think what people are willing to pay, not based on a forumla like a majority of consumer goods. (Production+Marketing+Shipping+Profit).

    The public at large doesn't get much guilt from copying material. This may be for a reason.

  13. Apple is right by whereiswaldo · · Score: 3, Informative


    Apple's doing the right thing. If everyone jumps on the wrong technology for protecting movies, it will become entrenched no matter how bad it is. That will inhibit better technologies from taking hold. It's a classic scenario in the computer world.
    On the other hand, Apple is taking a chance by not getting involved now, but I think their customers will respect them for it and appreciate it since Apple's image, at least, is more about freedom than lockin.

  14. Wrong... by RedBear · · Score: 3, Informative
    I can't believe this was marked "5, Insightful".

    This is actually a good thing. Let's say you are trying to protect your house. Do you want the law to state that you must have an impenetrable fortress and if someone breaks in, tough luck?? Not having the strongest protection scheme should make a break-in (or cracking) any less illegal or wrong. If you think it should, next time someone breaks in to you house you should be saying "Well, I had it coming; I should have barred my windows and doors."


    In order for this to be a proper analogy, it should go like this, "Well, I had it coming; I shouldn't have left all the doors and windows and the gate OPEN, and the door to the safe held shut with a 3-inch piece of masking tape." Depending on how stupid the DRM technology is, it could actually go more like this, "Well, I had it coming, I shouldn't have hung paper bags full of money on the outside of my fence, with a note saying, 'Opening these paper bags full of money is a violation of the DMCA.'"

    The law doesn't expect you to have an impenetrable fortress for a house in order to receive legal protection, but it also doesn't have much respect for the opposite end of the spectrum. That's why we have legal ideas like criminal negligance and why people are expected to take "reasonable measures" to protect their property.

    Now, when someone sells you something, like a DVD, it becomes your property. Except the DRM supporters want to be able to still treat it like *their* property, after you buy it, and be able to revoke ownership if the product isn't used in a way that they like. They also want to be able to do a strip-and-cavity search on every customer that enters their store to purchase their products. I imagine a grocery store that did that wouldn't last too long.