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Gov't Report on Youth, Pornography, And The Internet

Frisky070802 writes "I don't recall seeing this already, nor am I finding it when searching for it ... the National Academies commissioned a report on how youths are affected by child pornography, predators, and other threats on the net. They've issued a 400-page report on their findings, which are very extensive, and were used to support the argument for the new kids.us domain."

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  1. Filtering and .kids.us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not trying to troll here, but I think that .kids.us sounds like a better idea than the alternatives. For example, it sounds like a hell of a lot better solution than (poor) internet filtering. IMO, young children (10-12), shouldn't be exposed to ridiculous stuff online and a parent shouldn't have to watch what they do every second they are online. At the same time, we (everyone older than the first group, shouldn't have to suffer, because of fears the first group will see the questionable content. I realize there are a lot of /. zealots who would yell at the prospect of any potential filtering, but as long as it isn't implemented in a way that censors (even implicitly), it'll get my attention.

    1. Re:Filtering and .kids.us by GuruJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The biggest problem with the idea of .kids.us is that you would have to take away one of the biggest advantages of the Internet in the first place -- its ability to interact with other people.

      Things you couldn't do on .kids.us:

      • Run chatrooms
      • Allow postings to forums
      • Run personal webpages

      ... at least without 24-hour moderation of all materials that would be posted. And who will pay for those expenses?

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      -- Askari: Give JavaScript the bird.
  2. Whitelist by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The main problem raised with filters isn't that they filter too little. It's that they filter too much. Internet whitelisting does not improve that at all. It only amplifies the problem.

    kids.us is a humungous, unwieldy, unworkable, whitelist. (But at least it's .us, gotta keep them foreigners from corrupting our youth.)

    1. Re:Whitelist by SScorpio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My experience on filters is that they can work; however, I've had many times where I could access a sexual explicite website, but couldn't access websites pertaining to technical information. My example was not being able to access a VRML website while I was researching for a project.

      Whitelisting while blocking off alot of good content can pretty much block out all the bad content. If your whitelisting your email, chances are your aren't going to get spam unless it's from a virus. I do agree that censorship sucks; however, providing a know safe area for children while not trying to remove things is the best we'll probably get.

      If you had a younger child would you feel better about having an option where they can visit only a website pertaining to say Big Bird, or Nickelodeon child shows and not let them access other things? It's true that parental supervision is still important; however, letting your children visit .kids.us by themselves, and letting them have more full access while you can properly supervise them is pretty appealing.

    2. Re:Whitelist by Tassach · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Some things are (almost) universally recognized as being acceptable for children. Some things are equally recognized as being unacceptable for kids. However, there's a lot of grey area where even well-meaning, intelligent, and informed people disagree vehemently.

      Is it appropriate for a young child to see a rendition of Michaelangelo's David? That's a matter of opinion: some would say yes - it's a classic piece of art and it's good for kids to be exposed to culture. Others would say no - his naughty bits are hanging out and it's bad for kids to see a naked human body. Some parents don't want their kids seeing Harry Potter but think it's perfectly fine for them to read fundamentalist Christian religous tracts, while others have the complete opposite view.

      So who gets to say what can go in .kids.us and what can't? If the Jerry Fallwells of the world were in charge, chicktracts.kids.us would be perfectly fine, but witchvox.kids.us or harrypotter.kids.us wouldn't be. I'm not willing to allow anyone other than myself and my wife what is or is not appropriate for our children to see.

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      Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
  3. Sex vs. Violence by suricatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm all for providing a safe haven (?) for kids on the internet, after all there is a lot of filty stuff out there. However, one thing I've always found interesting is that society goes to a lot of lengths to hide young people from sex and yet no where near as much effort is spent on hiding them from violence. It seems to give the message that sex isn't OK while violence is fine. Any other thoughts on this?

    1. Re:Sex vs. Violence by Bastian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seeing how adults treat sex and violence, it makes complete sense to me.

      I'm going to totally ignore what adults have told me through my teenage years. Actions speak louder than words, and I've seen a lot of adults acting in my life.

      The distinction is simple: Violence is a perfectly reasonable and effective way to solve your problems with other people. Sex is at best a guilty pleasure.

    2. Re:Sex vs. Violence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Showing actual non-simulated murder would be a snuff film, and if anyone did it, they'd go to jail.

      Nah, in the movie JFK they showed footage of the Zapruder film, and lots of documentaries included that footage of a Vietcong being shot by a police cheif. Nothing illegal with showing someone getting murdered.

  4. Re:Umm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If, say, 75% of men find developed girls aged 14-18 attractive, is it really logical to say 75% of men are crazy? Or perhaps, being attracted to a 14-year old isn't "whacked" (though photographing them nude may be traumatic to them).

    No, these aren't real statistics, but I would say that, judging by what you see on porn sites ("barely legal" is HUGELY popular) it is not too far off to say most men have an attraction in some form to young (14->18), yet developed, girls.

    I'm not saying make it legal to make of course, just that you aren't a sick pedophile who is going to assault girls if you find an 18 year old attractive (sexually). There isn't even a close correlation.

    Children 14 (ie before they have developed sexually) is a whole other bag of hammers.

  5. Re:Wrong report by Kevin+Stevens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do not believe that the goal of having computers in classrooms is to have brighter children. Rather, it is to make them comfortable using computers and to increase their skills in using them so that when they go out into the real world they are more competitive. The internet can also be used as a valuable resource. There were several times when my college professor's notes did not help me get an understanding of a topic, so I would go and search the web for alternate material. It almost always helped. If more money and energy was provided, the government could help transform education. As an example of what could be using today's technology, lets say all classrooms were wired. A teacher who is going to be absent for a day and needs a sub could potentially pick a lesson from a large internet repository and have the children watch the lesson that is piped over the internet as opposed to being given busy work by a clueless sub (as is all too often the case). Or I could envision homework assignments on a computer that report back to the teacher and give statistical analysis of where the students as a whole are having trouble understanding a concept, or even better, homework assignments that reinforce concepts to the children as they get things wrong, and then make them do problems until they get it down. Could you imagine the improvement that could be seen if software could pick out weaknesses and help someone understand something better, and then reinforce the concept? I do not think it is really possible to have a piece of software be the equivalent of a real live teacher next to you helping you, but, I do think it could help quite a bit.

    On a side note, I made a bit of an attempt to create a piece of software to do just this over at Sourceforge, and while it appeared to be feasible to me and I did some proof of concept type stuff, my job has been killing me with hours and I have not had time to get anywhere with it. Its the eduonline project. If you have an interest in doing something like this, check it out on sourceforge and let me know.

  6. Re:Wrong report by Bastian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do not believe that the goal of having computers in classrooms is to have brighter children.
    Not the goal, but a very oft-cited goal among schools I have been to and worked with. Heck, I even went to one of the schools that was involved with the Microsoft/Toshiba Anytime, Anywhere Learning project. The whole idea of it is that computer technology has some magical ability to help teach kids. We had laptops assigned to every kid, we had the entire school wired for networking, and were jacked into the 'net all through class.

    Of course, the whole thing was a complete bomb. Teachers didn't know how to use the Internet. Kids spent more time in Yahoo chatrooms than following whatever website the teacher wanted them to be following along in. E-textbooks need to die. And, of course, kids learned very quickly about all the webistes out there that catalog thousands of papers for them to plagarise.

    Not to say that kids don't learn from the 'net. The 'net got me involved in the demoscene and open source, which taught me to program. Various political sites gave me access to information about the world that I never would have touched any other time. I can't begin to say how liberating some BBSes were when I was 11, and when Prodigy gave its users Internet access, it gave me oppotrunites to think that I never would have otherwise had growing up in a town of 7,000.

    That, and I found a lot of porn. And jerked off. I have a hard time saying that was unhealthy, though, especially from the studies I've read giving evidence that boys who are exposed to a lot of porn as adolescents have a tendency to be much more well-adjusted sexually, more likely to use condoms, &c.

  7. "Kids" is problematic by climber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The idea of a "kids-safe" domain is fundamentally sound (from a psychological perspective). The problem is that 'kids' don't like to be called "kids". Ergo, ".kids.us" is likely to be a dismal failure in the target market, even if it's a good idea (i.e., if you were 13-16, would you be caught dead surfing a domain called 'yadda-yadda.kids.com'? I didn't think so...)

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    "One empirical experiment is worth a thousand expert opinions." --Bill Nye, the Science Guy
  8. Be glad it's .us by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't complain about the .us; be glad that a country is not, for once, trying to extend their authority to legislate over the entire Internet.

  9. Re:Umm by dmdavis10 · · Score: 1, Insightful
    For my own peace of mind, I have to say this. God does exist. I know he does without a doubt. To prove that he doesn't is impossible, to prove that he does isn't. (Just sincerely ask him) So, dismissing the Bible as "not a valid reason" simply because you made the broad, unsupported statement that "God doesn't exist" seems pretty evasive to me. Now, for the relevant response.

    "Teenagers are supposed to experiment with sex to get prepared for adult life."

    What basis do you have for that? I believe that teenage, extra-marital sex is just a sign of weakness, letting yourself be controlled by carnal urges. To say that that is a sign or a predecesor to maturity is, in my opinion, incorrect. It takes more maturity to resist desires and save yourself for marriage than to give in to whims. Anyway, I'm sure most people stopped reading at the first line, so I'll stop responding.

    Derek

  10. Youth, Pornography, and the Internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a matter of fact, most of the pornography I've seen was downloaded from the internet in my youth. And this was back when the internet was heralded as a great tool of communication and education. There was no spam, there were few flame wars, people still knew what archie and gopher were.. Porn wasn't yet everywhere, but it was still everywhere.

    Of course, my kids won't have the free reign over the net that I had. Yet, I don't doubt that any offspring of mine will have an overabundance of porn sprung upon them. I mean, christ, you can't search for an .rpm without having porn spam thrown at you.

    Is this a good thing, or a bad thing? I mean, no sane parent is going to say, "Woohoo! My kids found some porn!" On the other hand, porn, and sex itself, is still covered in a Victorian obscurity. I can't help but wonder if a greater awareness of, "Yes, people boff. People boff a lot." wouldn't result in the slowing of the spread of various diseases and such.

    Anyway, enough rambling. Some domain name won't work. As someone else pointed out, kids don't like being called kids, and you won't catch one over the age of twelve browsing anything that ends in .kids. I think, rather than this, the ideal solution is for parents to shut the hell up about how much they work and how they have to think of their careers. Spend time with yer bloody offspring, and stop using the 'net as a baby sitter.