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Why UNIX is better than Windows... By Microsoft

BenBenBen writes "According to a whitepaper found on "a fairly insecure server", UNIX not only is more reliable and easier to maintain than Windows (2000 in this case), it's cheaper too. These shock results are reported on both The Register and (the source) Security Office."

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  1. Is This Necessarily Bad? by carb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At least it shows Microsoft is keeping some goal in mind in developing Windows - personally I was beginning to wonder ...

  2. Bingo! by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the Register article:

    Another strike against Windows is the GUI: "GUI operations are essentially impossible to script. With large numbers of servers, it is impractical to use the GUI to carry out installation tasks or regular maintenance tasks."

    I love Unix. But a huge reason for this unnatural affection is the command line, and the enhancements Unix has made to it (pipes, file descriptors, everything-is-a-file, shell scripting). Even if Microsoft turned around tomorrow and made everything GPL, fixed their security holes and sent chocolates and hookers to Linus and RMS, I'd still prefer Unix for the power of the command line.

    In Windows, the command line almost seems like an optional afterthought. In Unix, it's the other way around. (Disclaimer: I'm partly joking, and much more familiar w/U. than M [as I'm sure everyone can tell].) And I think for admin purposes, that makes Unix the more powerful choice.

  3. Re:Huh? by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Exactly -- my first impression was "They really are smart, aren't they?"

    [#include unixfan_disclaimer], but honestly: look at the advantages of Unix over Windows in so many situations. I'd always kind of wondered if MS was ignoring those problems/advantages for marketing purposes, or if they Just Didn't Get It. Looks like the former, which is reassuring.

  4. Why doesn't Microsoft... by dubious9 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Spend money to fix problems with its software? If they know its poorly coded, why don't they launch an entire other branch dedicated to fixing bugs/product maintenance? It's not like they don't have the money. Throw a billion dollars at .net and windows and see if you can make it better. Hell throw five. They'll still have enough money to run the company for a year without any other income.

    As much as we'd all like to think, they people over at Microsoft are not idiots. They have enough money to hire the best and the brightest. They do have some quality products (i.e. those whose securities problems are not much of a problem like games, and i personally like their Intellimouse Optical.).

    Can anybody tell me why so many smart people won't see the light of day and dedicate big resources to overcome their biggest drawback?

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    Why, o why must the sky fall when I've learned to fly?
  5. Re:Hotmail? by syd02 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hotmail still runs FreeBSD...behind the Windows 2000 front-end facade.

    Go to http://uptime.netcraft.com/ and type in one of the IP addresses that you find in the HTML source at Hotmail's login page.

  6. Re:Huh? by capt.Hij · · Score: 5, Interesting
    How many years old is Windows?

    The fact that you can ask that question is a key issue. MS has made a decision to be backwards compatible. This represents a huge liability. It isn't such a big deal for BSD since upgrading is just a matter of typing "make." What MS is doing makes a heck of a lot more sense to me than what Appled has done. (Oh great, here goes my karma, but now I've started...) Apple built a culture of bravado about how advanced its OS (interface really) is. Then when they hit a wall they decided to just change the processor and the instruction set. They then did it again when going to OSx.

    MS on the other hand is trying to evolve rather than start over. If they are willing to admit that there are flaws then they can make necessary changes. That is the reason that you can ask how old Windows is.

    Personally, I wished that they had tossed out a lot of bad baggage a long time ago. I especially liked the last paragraph from the Guardian:
    It is terrifying to contemplate the efficiency bonus MS would have enjoyed if it had only been willing to base its entire corporate operations on UNIX instead of eating its own dog food. The software monopolist might today be in the bizarre position of being the world's only consumer of unices.

  7. Re:Huh? by MrResistor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You make some good points, but here's my response:

    How many years old is UNIX?

    I'm unaware of any significant functional breaks during the evolution of UNIX. As far as I can tell there haven't been any, or if there has been it was on the order of the transition from DOS to NT; minor breaks here and there, but on the whole, compatability is maintained.

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    Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
  8. Re:The goal in mind being UNIX? by Hammer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Office is originally a clone...
    Word is a ripoff from WordPerfect
    Excel a copy of 1-2-3
    (and those copies of Visi-Calc and Visi-Text from early 80-s or was it late 70-s)

    Yes Word and Excel has a lot of "features" like the ability to run viru^H^H^H^Hprograms and so on. But OOo is just as good for me (at a much nicer price tag)

  9. Systemantics by jefu · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Along the same lines (more or less) is "Systemantics" by John Gall. Everyone in any kind of organization should read this - especially managers. (Don't worry, they'll have little problem finishing it, it doesn't use too many big words, there are pictures and its only about 100 pages long.)

    But it portrays, about as accurately as I've ever seen it, how systems are created to do one thing and end up doing something very different - and usually not something all that valuable.

    The following is quoted (excerpted) from the back cover.

    • Systems are seductive. They promise to do a hard job faster better and more easily ... But ... you are likely to find you time ... now being consumed in the care ... of the system itself. New prolems are created by its very presence.
    • Once set up, it won't go away.
    • It begins to do strange and wonderful things
    • Breaks down in ways you never thought possible
    • It kicks back, gets in the way
    • Your own perspective becomes distorted by being in the system
    • You push on it to make it work
    • Eventually you come to believe that the misbegotten product it so grudgingly delivers is what you really wanted all that time.
    • You are now a Systems Person