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Only Thieves Block Pop-Ups
aurelian writes "It's official: using browsing the web while blocking pop-up ads and other such exciting website enhancements is theft. Anti-leech.com are offering to protect your site from browsers blocking pop-ups (or 'theft tools' as they call them) - just try stealing from them with your favourite pop-up free browser. (I picked this up on the phoenix discussion forum...)"
The test URL refrenced is here.
:)
BTW the site works with no blockage in lynx
If you're writing a browser, just change the behavior of the popup-blocker from actually stopping popups, to having the window open without displaying it, IE it doesn't show up on the taskbar and can't be seen. It's the same effect as not opening, really.
Of course, this probably wont work with an add-on popup blocker to IE. It's to bad M$ doesn't have the guts to put a popup blocker in IE.
I've found a simple way to prevent popups is to put frequently-visited sites (salon, the onion) that do have popup's in the restricted sites list.
Also these people are crazy. The kinds of people who would actually put this software on their pages probably aren't making pages worth visiting anyway.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
What can I do on the internet that isn't illegal these days? ...log off?
Seriously, though. There are a bijillion little ways to get around crap like this. I disabled javascript and Netscape 7 went right in with no problem (and no popup). IE 5 didn't, though... Oh well! One more reason to swap from IE to Moz!
=Smidge=
http://smartin-designs.com/
This guy is maintaining an
# hosts
127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net ad.ca.doubleclick.net
doubleclick.net a.tribalfusion.com doubleclick.com ssads.osdn.com
ads.x10.com us.a1.yimg.com ar.atwola.com ads3.zdnet.com ads2.zdnet.com
ads1.zdnet.com ads.zdnet.com www.burstnet.com adfarm.mediaplex.com
altfarm.mediaplex.com s0b.bluestreak.com images2.slashdot.org
images.slashdot.org a.r.tv.com popup.msn.com sportsmed.starwave.com
advertising.com servedby.advertising.com ad.trafficmp.com fmads.osdn.com
media.fastclick.net popuptraffic.com www.popuptraffic.com log.go.com
games.espn.go.com sportsmed.starwave.com ehg-espn.hitbox.com
amch.questionmarket.com ads.forbes.com ads.enliven.com adj9.thruport.com
oas-central.realmedia.com ad.trafficmp.com click.atdmt.com
view.atdmt.com a1356.g.akamai.net
Aren't there browsers that can block Javascript on a site-by-site basis? That would be nice...
-Erf C.
Cthulu always calls collect...
I waited, and waited, and waited. No button appeared. I think that Omniweb's slightly flawed Javascript implementation confounds it. Fine by me, most sites that have Javascript I need to use work just fine with it.
- Oliver
The right to bear arms is only slightly less stupid than the right to arm bears...
Huh? Access Denied?
I'm using dillo, and nothing comes up.
If they're checking stuff with JS, it's easy to make JS lie about what's happening, and if they're looking to see if image requests come through...well, it's easy to request but not display a pop-up.
May we never see th
there's no such thing as braille computer monitors
Actually they're pretty common - here is an example of what they look like.
I also know that many visually impaired people use Emacs Speak (which supports Aural Style Sheets for web browsing)
There are a lot more blind people on the internet than you think...
In holland we had a sort of a cross of this system. Limited ads on tv, only between programs, and a license fee. Recently this licensee fee was dropped as it was realised that the collection was to expensive and it is instead collected through taxes since it is considered that everyone will watch tv or listen to radio no matter how little.
So youre point is wrong, without ads no ad sponsored tv, their are other ways. Maybe their should be other ways to run websites as well. I am not saying that these would work or that ads are all bad just that there are other choices.
Youre second point about forcing people to watch ads sounds highly dubious to me. How do you propose to do this? Chain people to their chairs during the commercial breaks? Make the page only available after answering a question about the popup ad?
In the real world advertisers have learned, had to learn to accept that people have no interst in watching their stuff. They get around it buy trying to make the ad as intresting as possible. Some companies are very good at this. On the web for some reason this has not happened. Only tv-ads I seen that equal the kind of crap that popups and banners are where parodies.
The web is no different from the real world, if people don't want to watch youre ad you got to make it attractive to watch, you can't force them.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Aliasing to many things to 127.0.0.1 isn't a very smart idea, it can break your resolver code.
Better thing is to place them in your firewall with a REJECT (not block) rule.
Of course, this doesn't help them against the pop-up stopping software I turn on when I'm "forced" (by an inconsiderate or evil website - which, oddly enough, does not include www.msn.com) to use IE - "POW" from AnalogX. It's by no means perfect in that you have to see a popup at least once for it to be able to kill it, but one time is the last time until they change the title.
... disabling javascript. It's funny how impotent the anti-leech system is when something that simple nullifies it.
What the phoenix and mozilla projects should add is a javascript manager, similar to the cookie and image managers. That way you can let specific sites run javascripts and block all others or block specific sites' scripts and run ones from sites that haven't been added to "the list".
They should also add an animation/flash manager. I really hate flash ads.
The "Hide your HTML" stuff has me baffled. I can't get their demos to work in IE or Moz. It shows me a page and tells me the HTML is "encrypted"...but there's nothing on the page except that message. Everything I see in the browser, I can see in the source.
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;) ), and adding a link to one of those spambot trap pages (which generates endless random email addresses for the poor bot). Whoop-tee-do. I could do the same thing on any web site in about five minutes.
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;-D
I'm dying of curiosity...I'd love to know how they're tricking potential customers into thinking their HTML is "secret", short of writing their own web browser to decode their "encrypted" content...
Their other "protection" schemes are silly. Let's see what we got here:
The "hidden" URL of their test download file:
http://www.anti-leech.com/ddd/test.zip
The "hidden" URL of their protected image:
http://www.anti-leech.com/pics/logo.gif
Got both of these in about twenty seconds. Turns out their right-click menu doesn't work in Moz; it displays the JS message, but then the right-click menu opens anyway. Heh... Even if it doesn't, all you have to do is copy the URL of the image from the source and paste it into the browser. It will not only display just the image, but it will also redirect you to the real URL that is supposedly hidden. As for the file download, Mozilla helpfully tells you the URL you are downloading the file from, and the filename. Stick the two together, and there's the real URL. Duh...
Their "anti-spam" service involves using a Javascript to print your address instead of plain HTML (wow, that's innovative...
Can't see the "Source Code" protection, but I'd bet it's about as effective as the image and file "protection" schemes.
About the only thing on here that really functions is the popup detector, and that obviously doesn't work right most of the time itself, judging by the posts here...
Anti-Leech.com says: "We estimate that our system can protect you in 98% of all cases and in the other 2% make it a lot harder for anyone to copy your content." Apparently, they figure 98% of the people on the web are too clueless to know what an image tag is, to know what "View Source" does, or to be able to concatenate strings in their head... Maybe they're trying to push their system on site owners whose target audience is limited to AOL users?
DennyK
(can't remember my password, damn)
JavaScript's no problem, you just have to link to an external script file. Something like this, in other words.
I like OmniWeb's solution to the popup problem. You can simply set it to never open a window via Javascript unless it's in direct response to a click. Just as it should be. I used to avoid sites that had popups. OmniWeb gives me back my freedom to surf without obtrusive "marketing" being constantly thrown at me.
-- thinkyhead software and media
I think you want the XUL Preference Toolbar... You can turn off popups, javascript, images, all sorts of nastiness as well as change your UA from a small toolbar that sits under the address bar
Score:-1, Funny
Yeah, and last time I checked (on Opera 6.05 with Pop-ups rejected) www.kazaalite.com was also using the very technology this article is talking about.
So where are you going to get your 'comprehensive host file' now?
Luckily the back button (sometimes followed by a quick 'stop') seems to get round the redirection with no problem.
...then the sites that refuse to switch to other forms of advertising
will be locking themselves out of that much traffic and ad revenue.
You're ignoring the reality of the situation. I run a medium-size, ad-supported website. Last month, I made about $350 from popunder advertising, $70 from 468x60 banners.
I can't run the site on $70. I barely break even with the $420 total (hosting costs of $250, syndicated data costs of $200).
It seems like there is a mafia out there that is trying to stamp out every possible way that a site can support itself. Ad blockers also block affiliate links, so it isn't even possible for me to make money on sales commissions. What's left?
If there was enough money to be made from the non-pop ads, I'd definitely go that route. But if I can't make enough money to cover costs then my site goes away, and 200,000 monthly uniques won't be too happy about it. Plus, my material is not duplicated elsewhere, so they'll have to go without.
You may say "get another business model". Well, first off, I say "stop destroying the business model that I already have", and next, I ask you to show me a business model that allows end-users access to free content, and also compensates the websites, but with no advertising.
Isn't it possible no other model exists?
Picture this in 20 years:
"Daddy, is it true that there used to be this incredible source of information and entertainment that was completely free to use?"
"Yes son, it was called the Internet."
"Why doesn't it exist anymore"?
"Because the people who used it were spoiled. They wanted everything for free. They wouldn't even accept the placement of advertising on the internet, and actively worked to stop advertising from being used. They even prevented people from making sales commissions by referring customers to products."
"Why did they do that daddy?"
"I don't know son, I don't know."
if stock market lost 3 trillions - that means at least that much money changed hands.
No, it doesn't mean that at all. You never studied economics, did you? You could not convert the value of the stock market into liquidity. There simply isn't that much money.
Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.
Edward Everett (1794 - 1865)