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Does First Sale Still Exists?

3-State Bit asks: "Ah, the doctrine of First Sale. (Sources two, three, and especially, four). The last bastion of fair use. Or is it? In a highly insightful comment, user Kjella explained to me that I had been naive to think that First Sale would continue to exist in the world of DRM. (Of which I had pondered the ramifications here.) So Slashdot, where does the First Sale doctrine stand? Are libraries throughout the nation in jeopardy? Will they no longer carry digital media? Can a corporation, without any form of legal safeguard, really control whom I can sell my stuff to? It's enough to make you shudder."

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  1. Put on the Black Hat by edward.virtually@pob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When Rights are Outlawed, Only Outlaws will have Rights.

  2. Copyright licensing versus Sale by Twylite · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't believe the Doctrine of First Sale has ever been properly tested with respect to Copyright law. The central question is: why "purchasing" a copyrighted product, are you purchasing a license, or merely paying a license fee? An important concept which must also be brought up is that of a "sale", which is usually read to means a transfer of ownership.

    In the former case, the license is a right to use the copyrighted content and associated media, while the copyright holder reserves all other rights. The copyright holder in this case has created a (potentially unlimited) number of discrete licenses, all of which are offered for sale. After purchase, The Doctrine of First Sale says that the copyright holder has benefitted from the sale, and that you can then sell that license to someone else. Of course, that sale is a transfer of ownership, so you no longer have the license and the rights to use the copyright content.

    In the latter case, there is no sale. You pay a fee for a service or more specifically a right - the limited right to use some copyrighted content subject to a bunch of restrictions. There is no transfer of ownership, only a temporary grant of permission (temporary may extend to your natural lifetime, but who's counting?).

    So I believe the question is: does Copyright law permit a license fee model, or does it require the sale of discrete licenses? Is there any other applicable law which forces one of these models; or which causes Copyright to not apply if one of these models is employed?

    Being NAL (not a lawyer), I can't answer these questions. However, I do have some comments on South African law (which may not be similar to US law in this regard): the law recognises that Copyright allows the holder to reserve the rights of reproduction, publication (including transmission, boardcast and performance), and letting; it explicitly permits fear dealing for personal use with regard to literary and musical works; and makes no assumptions about the manner in which licenses are granted. It does however use the phrase "a license" extensively, which could be taken to mean a discrete license, rather than a permission.

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    1. Re:Copyright licensing versus Sale by sql*kitten · · Score: 4, Insightful
      In the latter case, there is no sale. You pay a fee for a service or more specifically a right - the limited right to use some copyrighted content subject to a bunch of restrictions. There is no transfer of ownership, only a temporary grant of permission (temporary may extend to your natural lifetime, but who's counting?).

      It's easy to disprove this. If you had in fact bought a license to the content rather than the media it was stored on, then:
      • Lost, stolen or damaged media would be replaced for a nominal cost by the publisher, provided you could prove you did once own it, so you can continue to enjoy the content you have paid for.
      • Upgrades to new formats would be provided by the publisher for cost of media, so you can continue to enjoy the content you have paid for, even though you physically bought a record and would now like a CD. You could own the same content in as many different formats as you like, since you are licensed to the content for no more than the additional cost of the media itself.

      Neither of these happen; a CD or a DVD is treated just like an ordinary product. If it's damaged when you bought it, the store will replace it, just like they would for a washing machine or a pack of bagels. If it's lost or stolen, then either you or your insurance company will be paying full price for a brand new one. If you want it on a different format, even if you physically relinquish your original media, you will still have to pay full price for the new media.

      The media publishers want to have their cake and eat it - all the money from product sales, none of the responsibilities of license sales. I predict that eventually case law will force them to choose one model or the other.
  3. Unless EULAs are struck down, First Sale is dead. by macdaddy357 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They claim when I buy software of DVD, all I get is licence to use it no sale has taken place. I hope that the courts won't let them get away with this nonsense. If I pay for someting, and then take it out of a store, and I won't be returning it after a certain time, that is a sale. End of story.

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  4. First sale: profitable to the copyright holder. by jolshefsky · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Consider the case of my Chumbawumba "Tubthumper" CD. I don't remember what I paid for it, but let's say it was US$12. I listened to all 12 tracks once, and have gone back to the Tubthumper track 6 more times (approximately...) Thus, I paid US$12/18 = US$0.67 per listen to each track.

    If I were to pay for songs on a per-listen-per-track basis, I'd certainly never pay US$0.67 each ... I'd probably only be willing to pay US$0.05 or less. In fact, with that particular CD, I'd only have listened to the Tubthumper track 6 times.

    Thus, under First Sale I paid $12 but under a licensed system at $0.05 per song, I'd have paid $0.30. In other words, I'm willing to pay an $11.70 premium just so I can do as I please with the media.

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