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Martin Schulze Steps Down As SPI Vice President

Tina Gasperson reports on NewsForge that Martin Schulze, Vice President of Software in the Public Interest, is resigning his position there to protest the lack of time he says fellow SPI higher-ups are devoting to the organization. Since SPI serves as a coordinating body for several large-scale Free software projects (like GNOME and OpenOffice.org), discord there should concern a lot of people. Update: 11/26 03:14 GMT by T : That should read "OpenSource.org," not "OpenOffice.org." Sorry.

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  1. Well... by Lobo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You might not agree with him, but that took some guts to do. I wish more people were so dedicated to their beliefs.

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  2. Yet Another Open-Source Pissing Contest by Tassach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I swear the open source community is often it's own worse enemy. Since (almost) noone is making money doing it, the primary form of compensation is ego gratification. If someone doesn't get their way, they throw a temper tantrum and go off on their own. The end result is forked code trees, huge amounts of duplicated effort, and projects that never go anywhere.

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    1. Re:Yet Another Open-Source Pissing Contest by inode_buddha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Probably quite true, about ego gratification. As a totally unqualified guess, I would say that perhaps 5 - 10% of the people who espouse open source actually have the technical skills to back up their clout, let alone the business skills.

      Interesting title to your post, BTW; it makes me wonder if the goal of the contest is not so much the pissing as it is putting out a fire?

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  3. It's always a pity... by Qwerpafw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    when good things run into problems because of personal issues.

    And while all parties involved will (of course) deny that the cause is personal issues, it seems rather obvious.

    I mean, the VP resigns because he feels the other high ranking officials aren't "dedicated" enough? In whose opinion? And why not appoint other functionaries to do the jobs that need doing?

    No, resignations like this (especially the sort where you have "either they all resign or I do...") are almost always personally motivated out of a feeling to "show someone" how much in the wrong they are.

    And it almost never helps. This is a lose-lose situation. Imagine if the rest of the board had resigned... credibility would fly out the window.

    Like I said, it is always saddening when a good organization has problems because of people not getting along. While I don't know a lot about SPI, it seems they do, uhm open source stuff (:P their website is kinda hard to understand in that it is very very generalized. Slashdot could have the same mission statement as them and not change significantly).

    1. Re:It's always a pity... by dbarclay10 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I mean, the VP resigns because he feels the other high ranking officials aren't "dedicated" enough? In whose opinion? And why not appoint other functionaries to do the jobs that need doing?

      No, resignations like this (especially the sort where you have "either they all resign or I do...") are almost always personally motivated out of a feeling to "show someone" how much in the wrong they are.

      And it almost never helps. This is a lose-lose situation. Imagine if the rest of the board had resigned... credibility would fly out the window.

      Like I said, it is always saddening when a good organization has problems because of people not getting along. While I don't know a lot about SPI, it seems they do, uhm open source stuff (:P their website is kinda hard to understand in that it is very very generalized. Slashdot could have the same mission statement as them and not change significantly).

      I'm one of the head honchos of one of the projects that are under SPI's umbrella, and I think I speak for all of them when I say:

      SHUT THE FUCK UP.

      How dare you personally attack Martin? He is one of the most dedicated people I know - not only to SPI, but also to Debian. And those are just the projects I'm part of, the ones where I acutally know what the hell I'm talking about. (Hint.)

      SPI board meetings are a joke. They're poorly attended, and they ... well, I won't go any further than that.

      It really makes me sad that Martin's leaving (or trying to), but if he manages to accomplish some change on the way out (and I fully believe this is what he's trying to do - there are times when you've done absolutely everything you could do, and it's just time to say "okay, I've done my best, and it just isn't happening ... but let's see if I can finally accomplish something on my way out"), then DAMNED FUCKING RIGHT.
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  4. An unsung free software hero by intnsred · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Martin, aka "Joey", is one of the many unsung free software heroes of SPI/Debian. Joey deals with everything from helping newbies to organizational tasks to technical issues in a way that few can do -- either because of a lack of time, patience, and/or skills.

    This is a case of someone dedicating huge amounts of time in the best traditions of free software -- something that few can do, either because of finances, other life pressures, or simply human limitations. This makes Joey an overachiever in the best sense of the word.

    The poster was right: this resignation spells trouble for free software. It's a sign of distress and it should cause some thought to be given to the issues of time/work and free software: Is there a better way we can encourage people to commit their time to free software projects? Is there a way we can give these hard working people who do all of the non-glamorous -- but necessary -- work behind the scenes the recogition they deserve?

  5. Re:A 19 year old??? by alister · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This must be some prestigious organization if a 19 year old is offering to serve on the board...

    That's a pretty contemptible position to hold. As it seems you have no idea of Jimmy Kaplowitz's capabilities or experience, you're judging him based solely on age - which is likely to be irrelevant. I hope the SPI does take him seriously. Surely the more legitimate position would be not to question the SPI because a 19 year old threw his hat into the ring, but to firstly determine his suitability based on relevant criteria, and secondly to question why this doesn't happen more often with more mainstream boards (and not just non-profits, either). I've met some pretty impressive 19 year olds before; there are no doubt many, many more that I haven't met.

    Alister

  6. Re:A 19 year old??? by obi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh well, if a 19-year old (http://www.marcelothewonderpenguin.com/) currently has the final say in what goes in _your_ kernel (that is, if you're running Linux) then why not trust Jimmy.

    There's no reason why someone who's been on this earth a little longer automatically deserves more respect. Experience can often help, but is surely no guarantee.

    Judge the guy on what he does, not on his age, skin tone, sex, ...

    Read your entire post again, and compare your and his comments. Who deserves the most respect?

  7. News page dates from June 2001 by JM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even worse, the latest news is from 1999...

    Concrete proof noone's putting in the efforts...

  8. Re:A 19 year old??? by The+Tyro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Generally speaking, one might imply a lesser degree of LIFE experience based on age (almost by definition), but this may be totally irrelevant to his other qualifications.

    Some people develop more quickly than others... how old was Alexander the Great when he conquered the known world? 20?

    Some of us were unvarnished idiots when we were 19 years old (speaking only for my own idiocy of course... some people would say nothing's changed... oh well), but this guy might be the next Einstein or Fermi.

    Anyway, getting to the point, you really should judge this individual based on his qualifications, and nothing else. Anything less, and you run the risk of being labeled, perhaps rightly, as some kind of age/sex/race/religion/etc bigot (as some posters have already alleged). Objective criteria should be your only yardstick.

    I don't know the individual in question, so I cannot vouch for his savant-like programming 5k1LLZ (or lack thereof).

    Give the guy a chance. Really. What could it hurt?

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