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Building Your Own Hobbit Hole

Alien54 writes "Sometimes people go too far in being a fan of a great movie or of a great book. Now you can be the proud owner of a Hobbit Hole. The site offers basic plans, as well as technical resources. For example, one thing you might want to consider in your planning is Large Elliptical Precast Concrete Pipe."

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  1. Definitly by Squareball · · Score: 4, Informative

    Definitly need the concrete pipe here in Florida. In FL you can't dig more than a few feet before you hit water!

    1. Re:Definitly by JabberWokky · · Score: 5, Informative
      I grew up sleeping underground in Florida.

      Some notes: I grew up on a barrier island called Singer Island in a split level house. The hill it was placed on was almost certainly artificial. My bedroom window was about two inches above the ground. On a couple occasions I had very large insects (including two wolf spiders the size of a man's hand) come inside.

      That said, I got a book for my birthday, "The $50 and Up Underground House", a very out of print (I think) book written by an old school serious hippie environmentalist. You don't see his type around because he actually practiced what he preached and went off to live in the hills. Very fun and interesting book about how to build a cheap house, basically single handed, that is very good shelter. Lots of 'out of the box' thinking, and highly original (solves all the problems associated with underground houses like drainage and pressure but completely rethinking and reinventing the idea). His houses are built with the entrance facing *up* a hill... but they work for very non intuitive but very common sense reasons. Nifty.

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    2. Re:Definitly by alephnull42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      10 seconds on Google show that the book is still available, for instance here.

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  2. The pipe could be big enough by Flounder · · Score: 5, Informative

    The circular pipe is available in diameters (OD or ID, doesn't state) up to 144 inches. Now, I'm taller than average (6'2") but with a floorspace of, say, 1 ft for plumbing, electrical, and the obligatory Cat5. That would leave 11 ft of height. That would feel like being hobbit size walking around in Bag End.

    Now, the other thing to deal with is your local building code. Would they let you live in what is, essentially, sewer pipe?

    It would make a pretty cool bomb shelter/computer room.

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    1. Re:The pipe could be big enough by inode_buddha · · Score: 5, Informative

      FYI: as a 3-year concrete worker and a 10-year construction worker in the US: the diameter refers to the ID, like all other pipe commonly available here. Hence, the 144-inch equivalent diameter would be 12 feet. I bet it could be finished and furnished comfortably with room to spare. If you can stand to live in what amounts to a straight-line home the only limiting factors (besides your budget and time) would be the local zoning board. Large energy savings are possible, since the temperature of the Earth's crust is fairly constant at about 53 deg. Fahrenheit. Take advantage of thermal mass, I say.

      Bummer about the missiles/bombs tho... it's fairly routine to penetrate (greater than or equal to) 16 ft. thick concrete with conventional munitions... Also, I'd check out the local earthquake/flooding history in your area for the last millenia or so.

      Having said all that, it would make a lot of sense to me to do one of these... if only I could get the financing.....

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  3. Malcom Wells wrote the book by digitect · · Score: 5, Informative

    Malcom Wells wrote seriously about this in the 70's. Check out The Earth-Sheltered House, a real classic.

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  4. Re:Sounds cozy, unless... by jcoy42 · · Score: 5, Informative
    ...you happen to be taller than the average hobbit.

    Those concrete pipes come in sizes up to 144 inches. That would be 12 foot.

    I think you'd fit.

    The problem I have with the idea is basically you would be designing your home in the likeness of a sewer..
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  5. Just try getting it approved by El · · Score: 5, Informative

    The building codes in most states in the US require a window large enough to be used as a fire escape in EVERY bedroom. This is difficult to do in a berm house. Also, berm houses in general have a problem with moisture condensation on the interior walls, so they're not for people who don't enjoy mold and mildew.

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    1. Re:Just try getting it approved by Izang · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'm guessing that a man that wants to "live off the grid" and probably dress like Frodo would tell a building inspector to stick it in his hobbit hole.

      Yeah, if it was just a concrete tube the R value would be 0 and moisture would form. If it is built like rammed earth construction then it would at least have an R40 rating and be very cheap to heat and cool. I've seen these built (uncle) and the yearly heating and cooling bill with a Geothermal/Waterfurnace/Ect is about $140. No moisture but it does smell a little musty.

  6. help with codes by twitter · · Score: 4, Informative
    You can get city approval with the use of codes like this . Just don't tell them you are going to live in it and all will be well. =;>

    There are technical solutions to all the other problems. You can insulate or even heat your walls to avoid moisture problems. If you put a moiture barrier and insulation between your walls and the the air inside you should not have condensation. Who wants to look at concrete walls anyway? Fire, flood and proper ventilation and lighting are real design concerns, but they are balanced by thermal insulation safety from storms and man made hazards. The author's design had large windows or doors on every large room.

    I'll admit, I want to live in a bomb shelter. The author's design was not roomy or sturdy enough for me. Culvert is not cheap either. Still, it's a nice effort.

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  7. Re:Realism by struan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just watched it last night. What I got out of it was that stepping backwards into the chandelier was scripted, but turning and slamming his head into the structural beam of the hobbit-hole was not in the script at all.

  8. actual quote by Daytona955i · · Score: 5, Informative

    "All Hobbits had originally lived in holes in the ground, or so they believed, and in such dwellings they still felt most at home; but in the course of time they had been obliged to adopt other forms of abode. Actually in the Shire in Bilbo's days it was, as a rule, only the richest and the poorest Hobbits that maintained the old custom. The poorest went on living in burrows of the most primitive kind, mere holes indeed, with only one window or none; while the well-to-do still constructed more luxurious versions of the simple diggings of old. But suitable sites for these large and ramifying tunnels (or smials as they called them) were not everywhere to be found; and in the flats and the low-lying districts the Hobbits, as they multiplied, began to build above ground. Indeed, even in the hilly regions and the older villages, such as Hobbiton or Tuckborough, or in the chief township of the Shire, Michel Delvig on the White Downs, there were now many houses of wood, brick, or stone. These were specially favoured by millers, smiths, ropers, and cartwrights, and others of that sort; for even when they had holes to live in, Hobbits had long been accustomed to build sheds and workshops."

    That's from the prologue in the fellowship of the rings.

  9. Re:My own hobbit hole by zephc · · Score: 4, Informative

    actually, if you go here and go into my Photo Album, the pic is in there

    The full size one is still available per request

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  10. Re:Realism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Yes. The head bumping was an accident, but Jackson referred to the bumping AFTER the chandelier. Gandalf hits the rafter as he turns. If you look once more you will see that he does not "bump his head" in the chandelier, he just backs into it.

  11. Someone did it! by Aniquel · · Score: 3, Informative
  12. Want to see the "Real thing" in New Zealand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Tomorrow, the farmer who owns the land that Hobbiton was built on, in The rolling farmlands of Hinuera in the Waikato will be opening for tourists!

    Much of the infrastructure is still there.

    Just thought you would like to know.

  13. There's something similar in the Bay Area by Ryu2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you drive along Highway 280 from SJ to SF, a few miles past the intersection of 280 and 92, if you look to the right, you'll see a curious white hill-looking house made out of foamlike material. A almost identical replica to the "Hobbit Hole" described therein (in form, not in color, I mean).

    My high school bio teacher's parents live (or lived) in there, IIRC.

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  14. Ventilate it well by LowellPorter · · Score: 2, Informative

    My cousin built a house similar to this in the late 1970s. One year he went on vacation while his teenage son stayed home for the 2 or 3 weeks he was gone. The fans in the ventilation system were shut off accidently and the son never turned them back on. When he came back, the rooms in the rear of the house were filled with mildew, lots of mildew. It was on the walls, the beds, and in the bathrooms. This house is located on a farm in central Illinois.

  15. Living underground by weader · · Score: 4, Informative

    I grew up in an underground house. My parents weren't hippies, just environmentally conscious and interested in alternative building and heating methods. The house was designed in the late '70's. It is built into the side of a hill, so one side is fully exposed. The house is made mostly out of concrete. The floors and walls were poured, and the roof is made of precast beams (about 3' wide apiece). There is a large atrium in the middle of the house, covered by an A-frame that sticks up above the ground. The roof of the A-frame is made of passive solar panels, which lets in lots of light and heats the room fairly well in the colder months.

    Some answers to common questions:

    - Isn't it dark in the house?
    A: Not at all. In fact, it's much lighter than most normal houses. The entire front of the house is open to the side of the hill, and is mostly windows. Each room on that side has probably 12' to 15' of windows in it. Furthermore, the atrium in the center of the house provides much more light than even the biggest skylight could.

    - Isn't it cold and damp?
    A: No. The exterior of the house was well-sealed when we built it, so moisture isn't a big problem. (There have been leaks over the years, but for the most part they've been easy to fix.) As for being cold, the fact that the house is underground helps regulate the temperature. It is easier to heat in the winter, and easier to cool in the summer because there is less house exposed to the outside conditions than with a normal house.

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