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An Alternative Look for KDE
An anonymous reader writes: "I'm a huge OS X/Gnome fan, but still highly respect the KDE project. I still try and keep up with it's developments and recently came across this posting on KDELook which proposed a totally new GUI design for KDE, which I think could be quite easily adopted in other environments as well. A rolling Slashdot discussion I think would help keep the open-source innovation going. Thoughts?" Update: 11/27 20:12 GMT by T : Amended to give credit where due, which in this case is to the anonymous submitter :)
Didn't Star Trek, TNG, coin it?
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Or was it the game Simon... the memory game..
or maybe it was the 70's?
I doubt XP did it first
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Forget the pixel-shading. The point of it seems to be the functionality, not the exact appearance. From that perspective, it does look like a nice idea. It would require a lot of reworking of almost all applications though.
How is this copying XP? I am working on a XP system right now, and I see no resemblance.
This concept is a new idea in the taskbar, menu, tray utilities layout. It appears to me that this would make the desktop a much more usable and informative space.
I do agree with one poster at KDE Look that this should be a separate project from KDE core. It should be some type of plugable kicker replacement.
All in all, I would love to use a desktop based on this concept. It IS quite innovative compared to today's desktops.
That's not what I saw at all. This totally elimintated the traditional "windows-like" taskbar in favor of things that were like "cards" that could be mostly slid past the edge of the screen when not in use. Also, each of these "cards" could have embedded applets. It's nothing like the Windows GUI, or anything else for that matter.
If you ask me, the whole thing still takes up too many pixels. I'm still desktop-less since I can't bring myself to spend the screen space. What I need is something like these "screenshots," but that disappears completely unless you're holding down the 'Alt' key or something.
My own taste prefers a single hierarchical menu for launching applications, some system monitors and not much else. For that reason, my preferred desktops are classic MacOS and WindowMaker. (I keep meaning to test utilities to give me Apple menu type launching in OS X -- the dock feels so restrictive and cluttered.) But, it's nice to see people thinking about real alternatives.
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It made me think about Squeak/Smalltalk except that in Squeak it is called flaps and when expanded they look like the standard kicker ie it takes all the width when the flap was attached to the bottom or top of the screen.
The card idea is great !
Overall, I like it a lot, but I have a few notes:
- I don't understand why the term and home buttons are on the clock panel. Both are simply shortcuts to applications and should go on the quick launch.
- If the task bar is on the upper left, then where does a screen maximize to? Does the taskbar cover part of the frame (I hope so, or it might as well cover the entire top of the screen). If it does overlap the top of a maximized frame, then all controls will have to be on the right for this to be usable.
- Static screen shots don't show the interaction well. Will there be a lot of OSX-ish animation. I would suggest a minimal amount of flash. It seems to fit the *nix crowd better (everyone wants to run it on their 90mhz p1), and it would set it appart from XP and OSX.
It has a very clean and simple look, (which everyone always likes but we rarely see in a finished product). I hope, if this does take off, it remains clean and simple.
Did you read his post? He says he only wants it to show when he holds down the alt-key, not use the mouse. He is far to l33t to use the mouse to bring it up, as is quite evident. :)
Working toward a usable PDA environment in the spirit of Newton OS: Dynapad
(I wonder what a desktop that actually looked like a desktop would do for ease of use? Hmmm. Have to give that some thought.)
It's been tried a number of times. Two of the most successful attempts are Microsoft Bob and MagicCap OS (which was targeted for PDAs).
While it might be done in a more useful way, both Bob and MagicCap weren't terribly user-friendly. They're both very cumbersome.
Working toward a usable PDA environment in the spirit of Newton OS: Dynapad
I really hope that this project gets all the attention it deserves, and becomes the new 'de-facto' look for KDE.
I am not a big fan of desktop environments (I use AfterStep alone), but this idea shows a big improvement over the rather old and boring start-menu-taskbar model of win95/NT4/98/me/2k/xp, GNOME and current KDE.
It really shows innovation, and moving away from what is already stablished cannot be anything but a good thing.
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PS: As for comments like "Why is copying WinXP by rounding things considdered new?", it's not. The fact that the edges are rounded is NOT the point, that wouldn't be new. Why don't you try looking at the forest once in a while. That said, I think that rounded things look better than square boxes. The use of curves instead of straight lines seems natural now that graphics cards are better equipped to deal with it than they were back in Win 3.x days.
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You can't bring yourself to spend 1cm of screen real estate, at the *bottem* of the screen?!?! I will refrain from asking the size of your monitor.
I have 2 Dell P1110 20" monitors. I use Sawfish as a window manager, and a borderless theme. Yep, that's right. I'm so stingy with the pixels that I don't even use them for a border or window decorations. Now do you see why I'm reluctant to run an auto-hiding panel?
Here's a screenshot of my terminals screen if you're interested. It's the one with the most root window visable, but only because I happen to have the gimp running right now and I narrowed down one of the terminals for it to fit. I've also got a virtual desktop for my browser and e-mail, and another with emacs and more terminals. Keep in mind that I'm not advocating something like this for anybody else... I don't use anything like this on my home machine. Only on my work machine where the number and locations of windows I have open is almost completely constant. (I run Windows 2000 at home...)
After the author's initial revisions, this is a pretty spectacular redesign.
I would really love to see something like this implemented for Linux.
While the core theory behind the design is *really* good, I would eliminate the extraneous application elements. The quicklaunch above the K menu should go, and the quicklaunch on the right should be used instead. The slideout on the right should be what the card application for "information center" launches from. The taskbar on the upper left should be open by default, hidden on the click of the arrow. I don't think the cards should be activated on mouseover, the behaviour should be:
If !ontop{
focus
hideothers
}
expand
All in all, the card concept is great, and this design would be a much needed ideological break from OS X and XP. I've heard some grumblings that it will "confuse windows lusers", and "we need to keep the old style for windows to linux converts!". Remember though, users don't need the operation of the interface to be immediately apparent, it need only be easily learned and consistent, which is a common failing of Linux applications/desktops. It would help to think of usability as "learnability" instead of idiot-proofing, a la Jakob Nielsen.
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I posted this yesterday on the discussion of What Features Would Make a "Better" GUI?
Didn't get any discussion and was only rated a 4.
If it's made configurable enough for serious power users, this looks really smart and intuitive - not unlike how one would organize one's wallet, or Franklin planner, or Magic card deck...
Just my $2e-2,
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The MacOS 9 control strip, plus the MacOS 9 pop-up tabbed windows, plus the Mac OSX 10.0 dockings. But hey, Apple's abandoned all of these good ideas in favor of the vanilla dock, so it's great that somebody's using them.
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You can already do it in kde3.
The only difference between his layout and a customized kde3 is the look of his task bar (rounded edges and pixmaps).
Right now you can add more than one kicker, taskbar and kasbar on your desktop (right click on kicker -> add -> extension).
You can also choose where to display them (bottom, up, right and left side) and how (center, left or right) and their size (to the pixel) and the size of the icons.
My present layout is done in a way which respects most of his ideas since it came from my everyday needs.
( you could have many extension on top of each other for the double sized quick launch but it looks broken in kde3.1. Because they add this center, left and right thing?)
You can change back to windows classic look yes. You can resise the title bars on many windows xp themes, (the smaller the font the smaller the title bar) however the buttons in the corner tend to shrink incorrectly or not display at all. I don't se ehow that provides a useable experience.
Hi, I just wanted to ask, which version of The GIMP are you running in that screenshot? Is it from current CVS?
Thanks
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This is the kind of GUI replacement that could make Linux a real competitor against Windows and Mac in the interface department. It looks lightweight, innovative, smooth, and most importantly, intuitive. I think parts of this idea have been present in a lot of earlier *nix GUIs such as CDE, gnome, and to some degree with KDE's kicker, but those ideas that are outdated and not terribly elegant have been stripped out.
Good job.
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