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In-Depth Sims Online Development Story

Nicholas Palmer writes "GameSpot has a really in-depth feature story on the development process behind The Sims Online. It gets into things like how the team had to refactor the game's 3 million lines of code last year. Will Wright mentions his desire to see TSO to grow into a community similar to Slashdot's." Great game - although the latest wipe of the game means all Blockstackers' hard work on our house will be gone. Still, the social dynamics, IMHO, are much more interesting in TSO, because it enforces cooperation.

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  1. A community like slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean there will be simtrolls?
    The will be sim gnu/hippies?
    sim linux zealots (running simlinux)
    Sim janitors (and their dupes)
    And the abillity to sim-mod simtrolls to -1?

    1. Re:A community like slashdot? by Rhubarb+Crumble · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't even want to think about sim-goatse-guy...

  2. Go outside ... by Rudy+Rodarte · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..and make some real friends!! Leave these Sims alone.

    Now, excuse me while I go play some Metriod Prime.
    Enters dark room, all alone with only some Diet Rite and some leftover turkey Ahh, sweet sweet bliss.

  3. All bets are off by cheekymonkey_68 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How long before ..TSO has its 1st divorce in game ...is cited in a real divorce case when the TSO players other half, can't play the latest doom/quake/enter generic fps online, because their missus spends all day gossiping on TSO. .. bill gates, global corporations, the illuminanti, aliens, hyperintelligent mice, the masons etc secretly control the lives of your sims online

  4. huh? by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 5, Funny
    With The Sims Online, Wright believes the community will form in a way similar to the one formed around Slashdot.org, the popular technology news site. "There's no central editor on Slashdot, but it's a collection of readers who have evolved it into a great site for news."


    He must be thinking of Kuro5hin...

    *ducks*
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  5. TSO Like /.? by E-Rock-23 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If The Sims Online is going to be anything like Slashdot, it's going to have the following things:

    1. Duplicate Everything.
    2. Cheesey polls with the ever-present CowboyNeal option.
    3. Trolls.
    4. Anonymous Sims who think they're smarter than everyone else, but afraid to reveal their true selves.
    5. CmdrTaco's Anime Hut (to me, that'd be a plus)
    6. A Town Hall where geeks with no lives can bitch about Farscape and Firefly being cancled.
    7. Computers that boot into Linux, run WINE, and then play The Sims Online.
    8. Insert Rip on JonKatz Here.
    9. A graveyard with tombstones that read MINIX, FreeBSD, and other OSs people are fond of calling "dead."
    10. UFOs and subsequent Government Cover-Ups.
    11. A Babylon 5 Shrine.
    12. The city of Torvalds, CA.

    What I'd really like to see in TSO would be a hidden Middle Earth landscape, in which case I'd hustle in and set up shop at either Eisengard or Mordor (preferably Mordor). Sim LotR, Sim Hobbits, Sim Uruk-Hai, Sim Rangers, wouldn't that be grand?

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    1. Re:TSO Like /.? by Anarchofascist · · Score: 5, Funny

      You forgot ...
      13. Duplicate Everything.

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  6. Re:Make The Sims Open Source! by iMMersE · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not a bad idea - Then slashdot readers will know how social interaction works :)

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  7. It would be like your worst nightmare/best dream by Dusabre · · Score: 5, Funny

    Like Slashdot?

    You mean fractured down opinionated economic, moral and technology fault lines?MS-bashers/Linux-bashers, Linus lovers/Linus haters, ecofreak/technojunkies, libertarians/communists, 'information wants to be free' swappers/ 'theft is theft' moralists and JonKatz fans/foes .

    I can just imagine it, your choice of spouse is decided by the ominous by BSD/Red hat question? Or even worse, Star Trek/Lord of the Rings?

    Or you meet a new neighbour and you wonder whether their game house or the computer that they're running it from is more modded?

    Or that neighbour constantly comes round your house asking if you've heard of a free sofa that is also a fridge and a multimedia centre (must play OGGs) and a PDA. And is a eco friendly. And open-source. Or when they should start teaching their kids how to code, at 2, 3 or in the womb?

    I also wonder how many CowboyNeal based aliases there will be on-line.

    Then again, since it'll be a Windows game, I don't think 'all' the Slashdot community will take it up.

  8. Someone explain the point of this game to me by DrXym · · Score: 3, Redundant
    A traditional online game has a goals of sorts - to adventure, to kill monsters, to work as a team, to compete against other teams, to acquire wealth and status etc.


    How does the Sims Online correspond to that model? This might seem a jaded view, but it looks from the article as if you build houses and wander around. What else is there to do? Do they expect people to 'make their own fun' so to speak or is there actual advancement and tasks that give a point to the thing?

    1. Re:Someone explain the point of this game to me by c.emmertfoster · · Score: 3, Funny

      To earn money in game your Sim must use "job obects," which are similar to paining with the easel in the off-line version. In practice this results in waiting five to ten minutes for your task to complete, earning about $50 (enough to buy almost nothing) and repeating endlessly, pausing on occasion to eat, shower, etc.

      After "playing" the game long enough you realize that it would be more fun to eat, shower, and paint in real life.

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    2. Re:Someone explain the point of this game to me by ishark · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A traditional online game has a goals of sorts - to adventure, to kill monsters, to work as a team, to compete against other teams, to acquire wealth and status etc.

      I should answer RTFA.... They addressed this problem quite clearly, by dividing the players in different categories which like the game for a specific aspect (building, getting rich, socializing...) and trying to include elements which guarantee long playability for all of them.

      Personally, I'll never play it (I may try if they give out a couple of months and the program for free), and some of the comments on the sims newsgroup are very negative (they say it's boring), but there will be certainly tons of people ready to pay for the game just because it's "The Sims" and probably a fair amount of them will appreciate the "glorified chat room" idea and stick around even at $10/month (which seems to be quite a lot of money to me).

      Beside the nice graphics with the "create your own objects" possibility (which will be added later - and will pose lots of troubles, I think), I don't see any advantage over a good old text MUD.

    3. Re:Someone explain the point of this game to me by Lebannen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Amazing article, it goes in real depth into the thinking of both Will Wright - the game's creator - and The Sims Online.

      The original point of the game was for popularity - you get money based on how many visitors you get to your house, and to this end can start gameshows and the like. This was reflected in the Top 10 list, basically the "high-scorers". But... people, unsurprisingly, figured out the money-making tactics [read the article], opened the appropriate house, and everyone visited to make money. So they split the list into several top 10s... most popular, most romantic, etc.

      This alone provides a never-ending goal to the game, which is what you really need in an online environment. It's like a variant of the Red Queen theory - you're not just up against the game, you're up against everyone else. You have to work to stay at the top... but unlike a levelling game, The Sims Online is far more capricious in that popularity doesn't need a vast amount of experience behind it. Start a fad, and poom - you've got people hearing about it from teir friends, visitng... much like the slashdot effect, but in a game. You're at the top of a list for a week.

      In that way it could be far more rewarding than some other online games, and less hard-to-get-into for late starters. Add to that possible features like electing mayors and the like... wow.

      I never was that interested in the Sims myself, but this is fascinating to me. Most online games atm survive because of their community... the Sims Online makes the community the goal as well as the tool. It's gonna be big, folks.

      As for those calling it sad and to try the real world instead... yeah. That's why you're reading slashdot, right? *ducks* :)

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  9. There is one thing lacking in these sims... by twoslice · · Score: 3, Funny

    There is no way you can really simulate a bitch slap from your girlfriend 'cause she found out you were screwing her sister...

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  10. Of course there's a point! by tswinzig · · Score: 3, Funny

    It allows someone without a real life to simulate one.

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  11. snow crash/metaverse mentioned in the article. by rplacd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The article mentions that Will Wright has talked stuff over with Neal Stephenson, and that in some ways TSO will be similar to the "Metaverse", as described in Snow Crash. One thing I'd like to see in TSO is the ability for characters to share non-TSO "objects" with other characters. For example, I'd like my character to hand another character a "file" and have a real file transfered from my hard drive to the other character's drive.

    There are a lot of technical issues involved with this sort of stuff -- and some legal ones as well (think MP3s). However, this feature would bring TSO a lot closer to the Metaverse, uh, universe.

  12. Re:Don't ever criticize the moderation system! by blancolioni · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wish I could metamoderate the moderation to +1, Funny.

  13. I really admire these.. by NeoCode · · Score: 4, Interesting

    stories of the development process. This really gives an in-depth view of the ordeal that the developers go through like the problems they face and the solutions they come up with. Besides being an interesting read, these articles give the players an appreciation of the hard work done by the coders/designers. Geoff has done such Behind The Games articles on other games including Black&White. I was so impressed by efforts of the developers and the main designer Peter Molyneux, that although I had a warez copy of the game, I went ahead and bought the game. Being a developer myself, I really wanted to see these guy's hard work pay off.
    Again, thanks to Geoff for bringing these interesting articles to the public without which no one would have had a chance to appreciate the games in a different way.

  14. I just wanna add by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    as a slashdot reader for 3/4 years this would be my first post.I just want to point out how I find it funny how i was nieve to think a cooperation would get in the way of my Daily routins. i'm just going to sum this up by a letter i got. Notice, I'm a Huge FAN that plays sim's online 24 hours. I don't know if i'm part of the demo-graphic, but i'm in utter shock right now. If the Sim's Want to become a community like ours. Then how are we suppose to express our views. Saying nigga'(and yes i added a Hiphin to show he was my friend/bro) is wrong, but NOT ENUF TO GET BANNED OVER. Imagin if EA were to censore flashdot. You'll need a whole new server and enuf space for a huge database. I also wanna point out how limited sim's system fliter yes. We all(seasoned comp freak) what "WTF" stand for, they deem that as unapproit(sp) along with countless other. i'm going to end my rant. TO finish it would take a day or two.

    START

    Hello,

    This letter is to notify you that your account has been temporarily suspended
    for 72 hours for Terms of Service violations.

    Specifically:

    Racial Harassment. nigga' 03:53:08 Master Bishop

    After this suspension, you will be able to rejoin TSO without further
    consequence. However, if you are found to be breaking any of the Terms of
    Service again, your TSO account will be permanently closed.

    Please review the following policies with regards to this issue posted at:

    Terms of Service http://www.ea.com/global/legal/tos.jsp
    User Agreement: http://player.thesimsonline.ea.com/home/user_agree ment.jsp

    Please take the time to review these documents. Although we would regret the
    closure of your account, we feel that it would be in the best interest of the
    service and community as a whole. This notice serves as your final warning in
    this matter.

    EA.com Customer Relations

    We request that you review our EA.com Terms of Services by going to
    http://www.ea.com and clicking on the "Terms of Service" link at the bottom
    of the page.

    If you have any questions about this, please direct your inquiry to TOS@ea.com .

    end

    this Makes AOL look good.

  15. Re:It would be like your worst nightmare/best drea by sean23007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Then again, since it'll be a Windows game, I don't think 'all' the Slashdot community will take it up.

    Yeah, just 90%. You know, that 90% of the Slashdot community that raves about how great Linux is and how much Microsoft from the saftey of Internet Explorer on Windows? Slashdot: you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and hypocrisy.

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  16. Re:Slashdot Community by RatBastard · · Score: 3, Funny

    I am too. In my pants.

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  17. Yup... : ( by autopr0n · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had a really low UID on kuro5hin, but while I wouldn't say it got taken over by terroris sympathisers, it definetly got boring.

    I still stop buy once in a while. The diary section is always a good place to get tech answers, I've found.

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