rrwood writes "The latest Cringely is out. In it, Bob give his take on P2P and Big Media and where it's all going. Nothing new there, but as usual, the interesting part is what SlashDotters will say here afterward."
Um, Napster didn't use nodes for searches.
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Anonymous Coward
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They kept every user's file listing on a central server(s).
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Out of the loop
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Anonymous Coward
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Man are you ever out of it.
Kazza has about 3 million users on anytime of the day. more than the total napster users at it's peak. Way more.
Plus Winmx, Grokster, soulseek and about 20 others. And all of em have linux or Mac clients!
P2P will be impossible to stop in any real way sort of bandwith capping.
Wiki on P2P
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silence535
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The Information Anarchy weblog is being enhanced with a wiki centered around peer to peer networks.
There is already a lot of good content and structure. Go, contribute!
silence
-- Dyslectics of the world, untie!
Re:It can be slowed down...
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gimpboy
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In order to have P2P there has to be at least one person serving the data... it doesn't matter what port it's on if all the packets outbound are capped at 56k then P2P will collapse.
if the isp capped my outbound traffic, then they wouldnt be fulfilling my terms of service for dsl.
In fact, lots of ISPs would love to implement NAT just to avoid the hefty costs involved in having a stable of real IP addresses for their users. Implementing NAT would be an easy way to give all users a static IP (cross-checked against MAC address) and just turn down the bandwidth of those users who overuse what they pay for.
well they can cap my upload speed at 128kb, since that is what i'm paying for. if i'm using 128kb up and they turn it down, i will just cancel and move over to stargate. they do this enough and they will loose alot of money. plus they will open them selves up to a class action suit since they were contracted to provide A and failed to provide A.
this isnt whining. i'm simply paying for a service. if the choose not to provide it, i will move on to someone else.
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john
Critical Mass in peer networks
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PureFiction
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One thing Cringley hints at is a coming boom in popularity and capability of truly decentralized peer networks. It is the fully and highly decentralized network architectures that the Microsoft group credits most with resilience against any kind of legal, technological or political attacks.
We are starting to see some of these technologies emerge, awaiting integration into flexible infrastructure that allows fast, easy and efficient distribution of data, content or otherwise, between peers on a local and global scale.
The end result will be a combination of a number of technologies seamlessly interoperating like:
It is nice to see the word get out: You cannot control the flow of digitial information in decentralized peer networks!
Re:Movies aren't hypertext
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yerricde
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See Bitzi.com
Which is vulnerable to lawsuit.
P2P files turned into hashes, then in turn into links.
You wanted "something like Google". Sure, Bitzi links to files on Gnutella, but without hypertext links from one document to another document, there's no way to assign a PageRank(tm) value to a document.
If you have a design for a lawsuit-resistant distributed search engine that reliably maps titles of works to hashes of good quality digital encodings of those works, feel free to post a summary of your architecture here.
fuck
It's possible to express a point without obscenity.
uh, WHAT planet do you say you're from?
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Replace your FM transistor radio with a decent FM stereo tuner and get an outside antenna. You have a surprise coming.
With respect to 28Kbps MP3 files encoded by a retarded chimp on a 386 while smoking crack, I've heard plenty of those.
Where are you getting your download music where you've never heard such? We all want to/. those networks and servers.
The problem most of us have with FM radio is content, not audio quality. But if one is going to the trouble of looking for N'Sync or Backstreet Boys on Kazaa, one should start checking into tuner card specs NOW.
Ever heard of the DMCA? CBDTPA? Broadcast Working Group? Those items are part of what that money is going for.
You new here or something? Do a Google search on each of the above search terms and get informed. While flaming you would be more fun, you're more useful to the community if somebody hands you a clue. Go do something with it.
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They kept every user's file listing on a central server(s).
Comment removed based on user account deletion
Man are you ever out of it.
Kazza has about 3 million users on anytime of the day. more than the total napster users at it's peak. Way more.
Plus Winmx, Grokster, soulseek and about 20 others. And all of em have linux or Mac clients!
P2P will be impossible to stop in any real way sort of bandwith capping.
The Information Anarchy weblog is being enhanced with a wiki centered around peer to peer networks.
There is already a lot of good content and structure. Go, contribute!
silence
Dyslectics of the world, untie!
In order to have P2P there has to be at least one person serving the data... it doesn't matter what port it's on if all the packets outbound are capped at 56k then P2P will collapse.
if the isp capped my outbound traffic, then they wouldnt be fulfilling my terms of service for dsl.
In fact, lots of ISPs would love to implement NAT just to avoid the hefty costs involved in having a stable of real IP addresses for their users. Implementing NAT would be an easy way to give all users a static IP (cross-checked against MAC address) and just turn down the bandwidth of those users who overuse what they pay for.
well they can cap my upload speed at 128kb, since that is what i'm paying for. if i'm using 128kb up and they turn it down, i will just cancel and move over to stargate. they do this enough and they will loose alot of money. plus they will open them selves up to a class action suit since they were contracted to provide A and failed to provide A.
this isnt whining. i'm simply paying for a service. if the choose not to provide it, i will move on to someone else.
-- john
One thing Cringley hints at is a coming boom in popularity and capability of truly decentralized peer networks. It is the fully and highly decentralized network architectures that the Microsoft group credits most with resilience against any kind of legal, technological or political attacks.
... and many others.
We are starting to see some of these technologies emerge, awaiting integration into flexible infrastructure that allows fast, easy and efficient distribution of data, content or otherwise, between peers on a local and global scale.
The end result will be a combination of a number of technologies seamlessly interoperating like:
- distributed hash tables
- decentralized search
- swarming distribution
- wireless networks
It is nice to see the word get out: You cannot control the flow of digitial information in decentralized peer networks!
See Bitzi.com
Which is vulnerable to lawsuit.
P2P files turned into hashes, then in turn into links.
You wanted "something like Google". Sure, Bitzi links to files on Gnutella, but without hypertext links from one document to another document, there's no way to assign a PageRank(tm) value to a document.
If you have a design for a lawsuit-resistant distributed search engine that reliably maps titles of works to hashes of good quality digital encodings of those works, feel free to post a summary of your architecture here.
fuck
It's possible to express a point without obscenity.
Will I retire or break 10K?
With respect to 28Kbps MP3 files encoded by a retarded chimp on a 386 while smoking crack, I've heard plenty of those.
Where are you getting your download music where you've never heard such? We all want to /. those networks and servers.
The problem most of us have with FM radio is content, not audio quality. But if one is going to the trouble of looking for N'Sync or Backstreet Boys on Kazaa, one should start checking into tuner card specs NOW.
Tech Public Policy stuff
Ever heard of the DMCA? CBDTPA? Broadcast Working Group? Those items are part of what that money is going for.
You new here or something? Do a Google search on each of the above search terms and get informed. While flaming you would be more fun, you're more useful to the community if somebody hands you a clue. Go do something with it.
Tech Public Policy stuff