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med dev writes "An article at New Scientist discusses the latest in quantum computing - 1000 bits stored in the electron spins of a single polymer molecule. Add in a recent release of the how-to for the complete quantum computer, qubits that work, and it may not be much longer before Google is running on a server the size of a sugar cube."

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  1. Not necessarily a good thing... by Doctor+Sbaitso · · Score: 5, Funny

    it may not be much longer before Google is running on a server the size of a sugar cube

    "Hey Johnny, where did the new $100,000 server go?"

    "I don't know... I had it right here on the table!"

    "Oh shit! I put it in my coffee! That's why it tasted kind of funny."

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  2. Nice, Cool, Wow, but...... by TechFaerie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So the scientists have succeeded in encoding a tiny black and white picture on a polymer molecule. Hooray! Another tiny step for science, but a giant leap for mankind. However, realitically, I don't think Google will be running on a sugar-cube sized memory bank any day now. The money to move that kind of infrastructure onto a quantum computer is unthinkable.

    So, a wonderful step forward....but there are still many many steps left.

    Sincerely, your local cynic

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    1. Re:Nice, Cool, Wow, but...... by Big+Mark · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "One small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind."

      It all depends on your perspective. Give it a while and we'll see what the true ramifications are.

      -Mark

    2. Re:Nice, Cool, Wow, but...... by delta407 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      It all depends on your perspective.
      No, it doesn't. There are a lot of technical hurdles to overcome with quantum computing, and this article discusses very few of them.

      For instance, it mentions that they used photons to carry information between ions. That's all well and good, but remember, working with single photons isn't all that easy to begin with, and that pesky Heisenberg guy keps getting in the way. Stray particles remain a problem. (Silicon computing has copper to carry electrons -- what do you to with individual photons?) Furthermore, it does not address the larger problem of decoherence, wherein the state of a quantum computation is lost after a short and unpredictable amount of time.

      Really, what would be better is some great leap in quantum error correction or some quantum computer that does not rely on nuclear magnetic resonance. (NMR can only scale to seven or eight qubits before becoming unusable, at which point quantum computers are rather pointless...)
  3. Access Speed. by Trusty+Penfold · · Score: 5, Informative


    nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) instrument.

    I've done NMR, it takes ages. Preparing the sample takes about 30 minutes. Running the NMR takes between 1 and 20 minutes depending on what you're measuring. Analysing the results depends on how good you are.

    I can't see google using this any time soon.

  4. 1000 bits... by Lu+Xun · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they could just fit 24 more on there, it would be a much easier number to work with...

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  5. Re:That's pretty cool by pVoid · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I don't know how fast Quantum computers are going to make it into the mainstream. I find there is a lack of demand for such powerful computers at this point.

    Sure, biochemists might need the massively paralell processing power to do molecular folding analysis, but regular joe bloes will, IMHO, be very comfortable with quad 2GHz HT Pentium 4s... for a decade at least.

    I feel there will be a rift like there was in the old days when mainframe systems were few and expensive, and the rest were smaller systems.

    Frankly, Quantum doesn't titillate me as much as a nice new nVidida chip at this point.

    The other thing is that massively powerfull paralel processing isn't always a Good Thing. It's just A Thing. Take for example early Pentium Pros which had 16 stage pipelines. Nice in concept, but unless you use it properly, it's not really usefull. Many problems aren't massively parallel... The brain for example, is massively parallel, but not in the sense that many mean: all of your brain isn't adding two million 4 bit integers at the same time. It's doing millions of different tasks...

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  6. Re:Bullshit. by Cyclometh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." --Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943

    There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." --Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977

    Just because you don't see the possibilities inherent in something does not mean that the thing has no value or is not relevant.

    Besides, with the way things are moving, I can imagine the possibility of a computer that needs no clumsy interface cables, no removable media, and such... We're moving closer to being able to make systems that truly have no moving parts.

    After all, there was a time when computers were built around the size and heat of vacuum tubes. Someday, probably not all that long, the interface mechanisms, storage devices and display systems we use today will be as quaint as a vacuum-tube driven computer programmed by hard-wiring it seems to us now.

  7. Re:Regarding this "Quantum Computer"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently quantum computers "borrow" exponential scratch space from some Hilbert space during computation. As far as I know, there's no one living in Hilbert spaces that it could upset, but I could be wrong. So at worst it's a victimless crime, like punching someone in the dark.

  8. Popular science by vlad_petric · · Score: 5, Informative
    Most people don't realize that a quantum computer can't function by itself, i.e. it needs a traditional "front-end". This is mostly due to the fact that quantum circuits can't form cycles, and in order to have a Turing-complete system you need at least 3 loops on top of each other.

    Moreover, the peculiarities that make quantum computing interesting (e.g. the ability to factorize in polynomial time) also make it completely inappropriate for mundane tasks. So please stop the "google in a cube" shit.

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    1. Re:Popular science by nihilogos · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most people don't realize that a quantum computer can't function by itself, i.e. it needs a traditional "front-end". This is mostly due to the fact that quantum circuits can't form cycles, and in order to have a Turing-complete system you need at least 3 loops on top of each other.

      What the hell are you talking about. Although it will undoubtably more practical to use a classical computer to run one of the current envisions of a quantum one, that doesn't mean the classical one is required. Quantum computers include classical computers as a subset.

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    2. Re:Popular science by Idarubicin · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Moreover, the peculiarities that make quantum computing interesting (e.g. the ability to factorize in polynomial time) also make it completely inappropriate for mundane tasks. So please stop the "google in a cube" shit.

      This article is about storage, not processing. And quantum bits of this type are pretty damn dense. Guess what--Google needs to store a lot of data. Yes, the experiment described isn't much more than an interesting proof-of-concept, but there is tremendous promise. "Google in a cube" is a bit of journalistic license, but I'll still be impressed when we're putting just the Google cache into a sugar cube.

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  9. To the future. by OpenGLFan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To everyone who has so far commented: so what?
    My mother was born in 1947. The transistor was also invented in 1947, by Shockley. 55 years later, I got her a new computer for Christmas.

    What will I see when I turn 55? I can't wait to find out.

  10. ok... by Transcendent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    so we can store information on a molecule, but how big was the machine that created the spins? And how long did it take to process the 1's and 0's on the molecule?

    Sure, we could store information on molecules, but the speed and the size of the machines involved would put us back to working with punch cards...

    What needs to be done simultaneously is to improve the method in which we induce and read the spin in molecules, or those sugar cube sized computers will just be expensive and slow RAM inside a computer the size of a room...

  11. Re:Redundancy of information stored? by nihilogos · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have to wonder what type of redundancy and error correction will have to be built into quantum computing.

    Lots and lots. In 1995 Peter Shor (the factoring guy) and Robert Calderbank devised that possiblethe first error correcting code for quantum computers. Many others have been designed, including proposals for some that operate as a natural consequence of the system being used. Here is a good survey of the field.

    It has been shown that if the error rate is below a certain threshold (currently estimated to be one error per 103 operations for optimists, and one per 106 per pessimists) then efficient error corrected quantum computation is possible. The pessimistic estimate is well above what is currently possible experimentally in quantum systems but the problem seems to be an engineering one, not a fundamental one. It should eventually be possible with clever implementations of qubits, shielding and cooling to near absolute zero.

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  12. Re:Molecular computers may benefit from this... by nounderscores · · Score: 5, Informative

    Synchrotrons are used for x ray crystalography. they can produce X-ray photons at a wide range of frequencies and you can carefully select the photons you want using an x-ray monochromator.

    The X-rays will not tell you anything about the nuclei of the molecules you are looking at, as the photons go through the electrons in the crystalised protein they will make an interference pattern, and from that you can calculate the shape of the electron cloud around the molecule.

    Note that this gives you no infomation on the quantum state of the nuclei, which is what this quantum computer needs to know.

    Nuclear Magnetic Resonance molecular analyisis works in a similar way to Magnetic Resonance Imaging, just on a smaller scale.

    for more information click here

  13. You are wrong - Re:Popular science by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Informative
    ...the peculiarities that make quantum computing interesting...also make it completely inappropriate for mundane tasks. So please stop the "google in a cube" shit.

    You are incorrect. Classical computers can search an indexed database in log(n) time. Grover's algorithm allows quantum searches to be much faster, perhaps even in constant time. Search engines could benefit immensely from quantum computing.

    Lots of information can be found on Lov Grover's quantum search algorithm. Do a search for it on Google. Dr. Dobb's even analyzed the quantum source code for the algorithm. Pretty cool stuff.

  14. Re:hmm... by jejones · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Been there, done that; reading core was destructive, so you had to copy back what you just read. Admittedly, it means that there's no read-only version.

  15. Did that article teach anyone anything? by blair1q · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Blah blah blah

    The quantum states of phosphorus atoms are particularly long-lived, ...and other neobabble.

    The article tells us basically nothing real, except the names of a few people and that they're working on something called "quantum" computing.

    So here's how it should work (off the top of my head):

    An atom or molecule (a collection of particles) has a set of wave-equation solutions. Each of solutions corresponds to a single point in a lattice, whose coordinates are the quantum numbers; or a single value of an n-tuple whose indices are the quantum numbers; or a single member of a set of n-tuples each of which is identified by a unique combination of quantum numbers...however you want to express it. These quantum numbers are inserted into the wave equation and out pops a solution--a wave-function--that does not diverge or otherwise go kaput.

    If the atom, molecule, collection of particles, etc., is in one state (one combination of quantum numbers; one wavefunction), it's just a matter of applying energy in the right way to push it into another state. The quantum numbers move to a new point in the lattice, you change the n-tuple indices, whatever. You really cause the wavefunction to change, and the spatial arrangement available to the particles moving in the system changes. A spherical shell becomes a dumb-bell shape (not really, but it's a simpler visual than what really happens, so go with it).

    Now you have a binary memory system. Most systems have way more than two states, but only a few will be stable (metastable, actually) enough to be useful for computation. But trinary, quaternary, etc. are certainly not out of the question; though the question is a lot easier if you can still use all this software expertise that has binary math running through its veins.

    Quantum calculations are a lot harder to grok than quantum memory. Something has to work so that the state of the memory actuates another part of the system to undergo a change on a quantum level from one stable state (n-tuple value/wavefunction) to another.

    The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle would get involved, so the family of states you use would have to be pretty special to keep the particles in knowable states. I think that's what the reporter was really getting at when talking about the phosphorus thing.