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Cancer Mouse Not Patentable in Canada

Proaxiom writes "The Globe and Mail is reporting the Supreme Court of Canada ruled today that OncoMouse, the so-called 'Harvard Mouse' that is especially prone to cancer, cannot be patented under Canadian law. The hapless rodent still enjoys patent protection in the U.S., Japan and much of Europe. So there is at least one place where higher life forms cannot be patented, but I am not familiar enough with the intricacies of international intellectual property treaties to figure out the consequences of the discrepancy. I'm sure countless IANAL's will be willing to offer opinions."

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  1. Cool by MacAndrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can wander through the legalisms, but basically I've been uncomfortable with the overlap between the doman of patent law and, well, God (and/or whatever evolutionary variant one subscribes to -- I'm on the science side of the fence, but "God" is a heck of a lot more poetic).

    I wonder if this could cause U.S.-Canadian tensions? The IP people in the states are riding high these days.

    1. Re:Cool by Telastyn · · Score: 4, Funny

      US-Canadian tensions? The US has a vast nuclear arsenal. Canada has a vast number of Quebecoi. Advantage: Canada

    2. Re:Cool by thirty-seven · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I wonder if this could cause U.S.-Canadian tensions?

      I think you meant to say more tensions.

      The US puts tarrifs on Canada's softwood lumber and talks about doing the same to its wheat. Sure they signed free trade agreements with Canada, but that doesn't mean they can't violate them whenever its convenient for them. And what can Canada do about this? Nothing, really. Especially since Bush is far more concerned about Mexico than he is with the USA's biggest trading partner, Canada.

      Immediately after 9/11 Canadian firefighters, resue workers, ambulance crews, etc went to Manhatten to help. And Canada sent troops to help in Afghanistan, four of whom were killed because of the criminal negligence of two US pilots (according to the findings of both Canadian and US inquiries). Was any of this reported in the US? Not really, except for an American governor's fund raisers to help out the poor scape-goated American pilots. I wouldn't be complaining about this lack of recognition in the US for this good, neighbourly help provided by Canada, expect for the way that American officials and their media are more than willing to pounce on the smallest (or even non-existant) negative things. For example, after 9/11 a lot was made by top US officials about how lax Canadian security was and how this allowed the terrorists to enter the US via Canada, in spite of the fact that there was no evidence that any of the terrorists in fact entered from Canada. I fear to think what the reaction would be if some terrorists do enter the US via Canada and do complete a horrible attack - the Americans will have their proof of Canada's irresponsibly lax security, even though terrorists are clearly just as able to enter the US directly.

      Also, consider the recent case of a non-elected Canadian government person, just a PR person for the Prime Minister, who in a private conversation with a reporter called President Bush "a moron". This comment got published, and within a few days CNN was talking about it with the caption "Canada: A threat?" on the screen while making much of the remark of a "senior official in the Canadian government".

      I guess my point in all this is that, yes, if the US government doesn't like this patent decision to a sufficent degree, than you can expect to hear a lot in the US media about Canada's 'policy of flagrently disregarding US patent law'. Most likely you just won't hear anything about this in the US media, since most people won't care about this patent law/biology type of news.

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  2. Karmic suicide by binaryDigit · · Score: 4, Funny

    So there is at least one place where higher life forms cannot be patented

    Mainly because there are no higher forms of life there.

    Sorry, had to say it, but I actually love Canada.

  3. Mouse not patentable, but Canola is? by Slashdolt · · Score: 5, Informative

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that this is the same country in which the farmer was sued for using seeds from last year's canola crop, rather than buying them (again) from Monsanto.

    1. Re:Mouse not patentable, but Canola is? by jaeson · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually he didn't buy anything from Monsanto. His argument was that his rapeseed(canola) crop was cross pollinated by Genetically Modified variants in neighboring fields. Monsanto argued that since they owned the copyright on the GM rapeseed, that the farmer was in violation of their copyright. Amazingly enough Monsanto won the case.

      Monsanto is being counter-sued for contaminating his crop. If there is any justice, they will have to cough up some big $$$ for it.

      I too thought the Canadian justice system wouldn't be as bad as our own, but it goes to show you how fscked up any government can be when idiots are making the decisions (Go USA!!!)

    2. Re:Mouse not patentable, but Canola is? by HiThere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Right. Probably a different court, though.

      The unpleasant thing about the Monsanto case was that there was no evidence that the farmer had done anything wrong. It could have been pollen drifting in from the neighbors fields. (A bit unlikely, but not disproven.) The hypothesis that justified the ruling was that some seed had spilled by the roadside, and that he had planted that. Could be.

      But it was a civil suit, and if Canada is like the US, then civil suits are decided on the perponderance of the evidence. And it was reasonable that he had reason to believe that his grain was the Monsanto variation. What isn't reasonable was that his claim that his own strain had been corrupted by foreign pollen wasn't considered relevant. He hadn't been intending to sell the strain, so it was given a value of nothing, even though he had been selecting it for decades.

      Well, officially it was decided on the basis of (I think) patent law. But I think what really happened was that the judge decided that he swiped some seed, and looked for a reason to find him at fault.

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    3. Re:Mouse not patentable, but Canola is? by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you're saying the right course of action would have been for the farmer to cull his OWN CROP of the plants that had been accidentally contaminated, and deliberately choose to only use those seeds that had not come from Monsanto-contaminated pollination? Bull. Keep in mind that the plants that produced the seed were his OWN CROP on his OWN PROPERTY that had been forced to produce the patented seed through no action of his own. So now Monsanto has the right to say any plants that YOU paid for, that YOU cared for, that are on YOUR land that just happen to get cross-pollinated by your neighbor's Monsanto crop are no longer your own plants that you can do with what you will.

      If you agree that that's right, then you are agreeing that it's okay for Monsanto to steal ownership ofa portion of a farmer's crop.

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  4. No Direct Consequences by sleeperservice · · Score: 4, Informative

    Patent law tends to be highly compartmentalized between nation-states and as such the Canadian ruling will probably have little direct effect on the patents held in other countries.

    The most it may do would be to keep alive the debate over whether higher life forms can actually be patented. And then, of course, there's the possibility of companies moving research in this area to Canada to avoid licensing costs.

    All of that said, I feel sorry for the mouse. :(

  5. So, if these mice breed... by seldolivaw · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do they have to pay a royalty?

    "Congratulations, it's a boy! That'll be $1.50."

  6. Oh boy! by RandyF · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this mean we can all move to Canada and have a bunch of sickly mouse pets to play with? Oh what joy. ;>

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  7. Re:Mouse Smuggling by WetCat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hmm... it seems to me they can smuggle itself! Just put a large box with the mice on one side of a bordes, a large piece of cheese on another, and open the box.
    Mice will go to another border and IANAL, but its seems to me that it's perfectly legal - they will just migrate!

  8. Re:Higher lifeform? by Wampus+Aurelius · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think that comment is supposed to mean that custom made germs and bacteria are patentable, whereas higher lifeforms than that are not.

    But wouldn't it be something if humans were patentable? I'd take out patents George W. Bush, Carrot Top, Rush Limbaugh, and all the members of N'Sync and The Backstreet Boys just to prevent anyone from making any more of them.

  9. Re:Mouse Smuggling by fobbman · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's Richard Gere been doing lately?

  10. Re:Mouse Smuggling by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

    Researchers in the US are also smuggling in tax-free cigarettes for the mice to smoke during the studies.

  11. Re:The mouse isn't patented... by AndyMan! · · Score: 5, Informative

    but the biochemical method for manipulating the genese of the mouse to create the Harvard mouse is.

    Actually, the mouse is. Specifically, the patent covers the offspring of the mice as well. Indeed, it ALSO covers the offspring of other animals that were bred with the mice.

    Read the article.

    _Am

  12. Canola oil seed different from a mouse by dgerman · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the ruling:

    "Although Parliament enacted special legislation for the protection of plant breeders, it did not address other higher life forms. Moreover, the passage of the Plant Breeders' Rights Act demonstrates that mechanisms other than the Patent Act may be used to encourage inventors to undertake innovative activity in the field of biotechnology.[...] If a special legislative scheme was needed to protect plant varieties, a subset of higher life forms, a similar scheme may also be necessary to deal with the patenting of higher life forms in general. It is beyond the competence of this Court to address in a comprehensive fashion the issues associated with the patentability of higher life forms."

    In other words, patents related to plants have their own set of laws. They were not meant to include animals and the Supreme Cort does not want to take the responsibility of something that Parliament should do.

    At least, that is my interpretation :)

  13. IP treaty law by watchful.babbler · · Score: 4, Informative
    The main focus of most international patent treaties is the normalization of laws between nations. In this case, NAFTA Article 1709 (3) is probably controlling vis a vis the United States:
    A Party may exclude from patentability inventions if preventing in its territory the commercial exploitation of the inventions is necessary to protect ordre public or morality * * * provided that the exclusion is not based solely on the ground that the Party prohibits commercial exploitation in its territory of the subject matter of the patent.
    NAFTA (and WTO/TRIPS) explicitly include only microorganisms and plants in their patentability requirements, so technically Canada is free to deny patent coverage to the oncomouse. However, if I were corporate (or industry) counsel, I'd bring suit in the NAFTA tribunal on the grounds that Canada is violating 1709(3) by effectively prohibiting the exploitation of biotechnology by ruling that bio-engineered animals don't qualify for invention protection. It's a questionable argument at best, but cases have been won at the tribunals with far less.

    This will become an issue as biotech organisms start appearing en masse (whenever that might be). Right now, there's no real incentive to produce, in Canada, nonpatented oncomice, simply because most of the countries to which you'd export (e.g., the U.S., Japan) would allow infringement suits. As the suite of gengineered organisms expands, however, expect a great deal of political and legal pressure for Canada to fall in line with the other states.

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  14. Can I patent StupidPeople... by daemonc · · Score: 5, Funny

    and keep them from reproducing without my permission?

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  15. Re:Higher lifeform? by Dannon · · Score: 5, Funny

    But wouldn't it be something if humans were patentable?

    Next news flash: Cancer Man not patentable. Trademarked, maybe.

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  16. a mouse without a patent by squarefish · · Score: 5, Funny

    Walt Disney must be spinning in his grave!

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  17. Some Legal Implications by praksys · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the key features of existing international treaties over intellectual property is the idea of "national treatment". Roughly speaking the idea is that nations have to treat non-nationals the same as nationals. For example, if Candian law grants Candian authors a copyright in their works for life + 50 years, then Candian law should grant the same sort of copyright, for the same term, to non-Candian authors. So national treatment is a pretty weak requirement - it allows nations to have any sort of intellectual property law they like, so long as that law does not discriminate between nationals and non-nationals.

    As far as the national treatement requirement goes, the only constraint on Candian law in this case is that, if Canadian courts reject such patent claims made by US citizens/corportations, then they must reject similar claims made by Canadian citizens/corportations.

    In addition to the national treatment requirement, treaties have also tried to establish certain standards concerning the nature and terms of intellectual property rights, but these IP standards do not get down to the details of what can or cannot be patented. In general these IP standards have been designed to avoid all the really difficult questions about intellectual property, and they tend to be weakly enforced in any case.

    So, as far as these additional IP standards go, it is highly unlikely that this Candian court ruling will conflict with any of them.

    However, the fact that Canadian courts have now taken up a position against this sort of patent makes it less likely that this sort of patent will ever make it into the IP standards established by *future* international treaties.

    1. Re:Some Legal Implications by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Congratulations!

      You spelled "Canadian" correctly only 3 out of 9 times! You're now qualified to work as a Slashdot editor!

  18. Not copyright.. patent. by mindstrm · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was a patent issue.

    And it's not that far fetched that they won; it wasn't an "accident". The guy KNEW it was monsanto's seed. It wasn't forced on him. He knew they had a patent on it as well. He took the gamble.

    What you have to realize is that the legal system is not as convoluted in Canada. Though this time, the guy might have been found to be doing something wrong, under slightly different circumstances, monsanto would lose (say, if the guy really had no idea it had happened).

    You can't just compare one ruling and declare the Canadian justice system to be as screwed up as the US. Remember, we have 10x less population, over a larger area, and a system that is *FAR* more flexible and less complex than the US system. Not everything is Black & White in the Canadian legal system, nor do we pretend it is.

    1. Re:Not copyright.. patent. by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The guy KNEW it was monsanto's seed. It wasn't forced on him.

      Yes it was. Whether he was aware of the way in which his plants had been changed is irrelevant. He didn't ASK to have them changed. It happened through the actions of other forces not under his control (his neighbors, the wind, and Monsanto. The plants in question were HIS OWN. Monsanto ended up vandalizing his crop, so to speak.

      If I steal a can of spray paint and use it to spray grafitti on your house, you shouldn't be obligated to pay the store for the paint should you choose to keep the grafitti in place.


      Remember, we have 10x less population, over a larger area,

      "10x less population" would only make mathematical sense if it was possible for Canada to have a negative population. (With Canada having negative 9x as many people as the US.) I'm not even sure what a negative population would mean (people made of antimatter?) I think you meant "One tenth the population", which isn't the same thing.

      And the population density has nothing to do with why Canada's legal system has more grey areas. Canada's legal system is more grey because it is more directly derived from the British system, which is more grey than the US system. And Britain most certainly isn't less densely populated than the US.

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  19. I finally figured it all out by gi-tux · · Score: 5, Funny

    All this patent and IP stuff must have come from Egypt. I now know why we don't know how the pyramids were built. The folks that owned the companies doing the work patented and copyrighted everything. They punished anyone that spoke of it with the DMCA (Digging and Movers Copyright Act) and thus soon the technology was forgotten.

    This is probably why we don't have any of the music or movies from that era as well. They were covered by the MPAA (Movies and Pyramids Acrhitects Association) and the RIAA (Ra Is An Artist).

    If this stuff keeps up, it won't be too many years until everything here will be forgotten as well, due to the fact that no one can say anything, do anything, or even think about anything.

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  20. Let's Sing! by The+Turd+Report · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whose the tumor riddled rat that isn't patentable at all?
    C-A-N C-E-R M-O-U-S-E. Cancer Mouse! CancerMouse.
    We treat him with drugs and hope he doesn't die, die, die.

  21. Patents & TMs in Canada by vorwerk · · Score: 5, Informative

    FYI, in Canada:

    1) Medical procedures are not patentable. This is basically to prevent the formation of a monopoly on a life-saving procedure. (e.g., If someone invented a procedure to repair spinal cords, she couldn't patent it and charge a zillion dollars, because that would limit poor people's access to the technique.)

    2) A life-saving drug (e.g., cure for cancer), if they're the only such life-saving drug available, is not patentable.

    3) Some drug patents and trademarks seem to be quickly lost in Canada (while others are not). In the U.S., the trademark "Aspirin" has been lost to common use, so any generic manufacturer can claim that they make aspirin. Not so in Canada -- only Bayer can claim this trademark. In terms of patents, we have lots of generic drugs being manufactured that I don't think they can offer in generic form in the U.S. yet (e.g., generic forms of Reactine & Allegra). Not that I'm complaining -- our drugs are dirt cheap in comparison to what U.S. citizens pay (e.g., a month's supply of Claritin in the U.S. costs over $90 USD according to a recent Reuters article, but costs me only about $18 CAD -- this is due, in part of course, to the fact that it has been available over the counter here for some time ... but you get the drift).

    For more comparisons of patent law differences:

    http://www.dww.com/articles/how_do_you.htm

    -kris

  22. Re:Mouse Smuggling by xinit · · Score: 5, Funny
    I think everyone's missing the point - we won't allow the mouse to be patented in Canada. This means that anyone can create pirate mice and sell them.

    I think we'll be smuggling them into the USA, not the other way around. Throwing in a free Generic Cancer Mouse with each pack of smuggled smokes the scientists import for their cancer studies.

    I'm picturing little wooden-legged mice saying "Arrrr!"...

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  23. Re:Mouse Smuggling by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "IANAL, but its seems to me that it's perfectly legal - they will just migrate!"

    This means that, since it facilitates the theft of intellectual property, cheese is now illegal under the DMCA.

  24. Re:Patenting Life Forms by Qender · · Score: 5, Funny

    On the plus side however, the major corporations will eventually patent different forms of cancer, and they'll have to cure anyone who isn't authorised to have it.

  25. No, he DIDN'T know. by Interrobang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Go read his website. He didn't know it was "Monsanto's seed," he never bought seed from Monsanto (preferring to breed his own for the last half-century or so, and he certainly didn't steal anything from Monsanto. In fact, he only found out about the cross-polination when he was trying to eliminate "volunteer" canola growing where he didn't want it and used Roundup.

    Experts in the subject already insist that it's virtually if not utterly impossible to find canola, corn, and soybean seed without traces of (patented) genetically-modified genes in them. Monsanto, however, is the big offender, in that it ruthlessly goes after people who wind up with "their" proprietary genes in crops. It's also totally possible to find ultra-hybridized varieties of seed containing more than one company's proprietary genes. That comes from natural cross-polination, and other forms of non-crossbreeding contamination, not theft.

    All of which just blatantly shows why this Supreme Court decision is a good idea, and why Mr. Schmeiser should get Monsanto to pay through the nose for wrecking his organic hybrid canola variant with their genetically modified strain. I wonder if this court case will help?