Seventeen or Bust Nixes Three Sierpinski Candidates

Craigj0 writes "In just 8 days Seventeen or bust has removed three Sierpinski candidates after people have been trying for years. Seventeen or bust is a distributed attack on the Sierpinski problem. You can find the first two press releases here(1) and here(2), the third is still to come. More information about Sierpinski numbers can be found here. Finally they could always use some more people so join!"

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Speaking of Sierpinski...

[jonnyfish]

Way back when I was first learning DirectDraw (shudder), I wrote a program to generate pixel colors based on x, y, and time (ticks) values. I played with trig functions a little bit, trying to generate some plasma effects. Eventually I got bored of that and tried some operations using the bitwise operators and, amazingly, I got it to generate the Sierpinski triangle using something like 2 or 3 bitwise ands per pixel. I say amazingly because all I know about Sierpinski triangles is the name, so I generated it completely by accident. Needless to say, I was very surprised the first time I saw it.

Re:Speaking of Sierpinski...

[ymgve]

It's a really easy effect to create - take the X coordinate, then AND with the Y coordinate. Use one colour for 0 and another for everything else, and you've got yourseif a Sierpinski triangle! Try it :)

More information on the Sierpinksi problem

[cyberlemoor]

..can be found here (a slightly more detailed explanation than the one at the link the author gives).

Re:Can someone explain why this article is filtere

[Vellmont]

This article was only listed under the science section, and not on the main page. The Pi article was presumably determined to have more mass appeal, so was put on the main page as well.

How to prove this?

[Scarblac]

I've read around a bit now, I've even installed their client (wasn't currently doing any other distributed stuff, so why not), but I still don't understand the math well. I understand you can prove a number k is not a Sierpinski number by finding an n so that k*2^n+1 is prime. The lowest known Sierpinski number is 78557. There are now only 14 lower numbers left for which there's no fitting n found yet, and they're searching for them.

Now what I don't understand is how Sierpinski-ness can be proven, how they know there's not some huge n that makes 78557*2^n+1 prime after all; and I can't find the info. There's a class of numbers that are Sierpinski by construction (apparently) but they are much higher than this one. I guess there's no quick easy answer, I just have to read the literature, and I'm not going to... There are too many contrived number properties out there, and too much other stuff to do :)

Re:How to prove this?

[iltzu]

Now what I don't understand is how Sierpinski-ness can be proven, how they know there's not some huge n that makes 78557*2^n+1 prime after all; and I can't find the info.

Here's some info, though the exact construction of the proof isn't give. Apparently, it's possible to prove that for any n, 78557*2^n+1 is divisible by one of a finite (and quite small) number of primes. As to how, ask the guy who proved it...

Re:How to prove this?

[Omkar]

I don't know (I'm a high school student), but you can use a technique (math induction) to prove the divisibility of numbers. For example:


8^n - 1 = 7m where for any n m,n are +ve integers

Proof:

the statement is true for n=1 (trivial)

assume it holds for n = some +ve int. k.

8^k - 1 = 7s

Consider the next case:
8^(k+1) - 1
= 8(8^k) - 1
= 8(7s +1) -1
= 56s + 7
= 7(8s+1) clearly divisible by 7.

=>The assertion holds for n=k+1 if it holds for n=k So since n = 1 holds, the assertion holds for all +ve int. n. I'm sure that the techniques these guys use are far more complicated and sophisticated, but it is possible to prove things like that.

Heh

[helix400]

Quote for the article:

So if you've been thinking that you can't find a prime without multiple computers that are always on, this just goes to show you obviously can.

Ya! Way to rub it in their faces! I mean, what kind of idiots didn't already understand that you can find prime numbers on multiple computers...especially computers that are on!

That'll teach 'em...