Posted by
Cliff
on from the save-an-affordable-display-for-me dept.
ike6116 asks: "According to Apple the 15" Apple Studio Display is still available, but when one clicks on Store and tries to select it with a system it is nowhere to be found. I ask you: Where have they gone to? Why have they left? Will they be back?"
Well Karma is no longer measured in visible points for a start and the lst time it was mine was up at 50 - this highest it displays, and I never posted at 3.
This highest anyone posts at without moderation is, I believe, 2.
-- Matt Thompson - Actuality - Insert product here.
maybe it's how i have my slashdot prefs setup, but both you and i are posting at 3. i think you might get an extra +1 tacked on to your next post after recieving a mod point, which is how i post at 3.... not really sure, but that's how it comes up on my screen.
It's probably your prefs... your message hasn't been moderated yet, and it's at 2.
--
true && more || less
Stay calm, this is a thread hijack. X11 on OS X
by
presearch
·
· Score: 1, Offtopic
Considering that this is a weak Apple thread and the editors refuse to post my Ask Slashdot: post, I'll hijack this article and post it here....
If Apple where to add native X11 support to OS X (don't ask), and wanted to show off this new capability, what would you recommend as the top ten X11 apps? I know there's things like the GIMP, but beyond things like desktop managers, what does the Linux community run under X11 (or X on X, or XFree86) that gives them a smug feeling of superiority? I can't think of 10, can you?
Re:Stay calm, this is a thread hijack. X11 on OS X
by
Paslophunk
·
· Score: 1, Offtopic
1. Gimp:) 2. xChat (unless u know a better native.app, I couldn't) 3. PAN 4. Gimp 5. oOffice.org
well, halfway there;)
-- what goes up must come down, ask any sysop / sig11
Re:Stay calm, this is a thread hijack. X11 on OS X
by
Gropo
·
· Score: 1, Offtopic
If Apple where to add native X11 support to OS X (don't ask), and wanted to show off this new capability, what would you recommend as the top ten X11 apps?
Gee, sorry Adobe, Macromedia, Microsoft, Every other developer benevolent enough to continue support for our platform through times of dwindling market share... We've decided to allow users to run GNU alternatives to your apps right out of the box - yeah we know! "Human interface guidelines, shmuman shminterface shmidelines!" We've decided that having both screen-perimeter affixed menu bars and window-nested menu bars is BETTER...
I think the "smug feeling of superiority" comes from paying $12.47 for hardware and running a free suite of software, not the X11 environment...
-- I hate Grammar Nazi's
Re:Stay calm, this is a thread hijack. X11 on OS X
by
the_skuncle
·
· Score: 1, Offtopic
Re:Stay calm, this is a thread hijack. X11 on OS X
by
Permission+Denied
·
· Score: 2, Offtopic
If Apple where to add native X11 support to OS X (don't ask),
and wanted to show off this new capability, what would you
recommend as the top ten X11 apps?
xterm. Terminal.app is useless as a terminal emulator.
It does not allow you to map your meta key to the place where it belongs (instead, it grabs the meta key for the completely useless keybindings it has). In order to modify your keybindings to switch alt and command, you have to use a third party kernel module which would indicate a low-level architectural problem. You cannot use emacs with Terminal.app (not a big deal for me since I use vi, but it's annoying for using bash and zsh where I use the emacs editing keystrokes - and yes, I know zsh has a "vi-mode", but that's besides the point).
Terminal.app continues to insist on the inane "copy/paste" paradigm, even if I have a perfectly good three-button mouse. Hint: if I highlight something in a terminal, I'm going to copy it to the clipboard - there's absolutely nothing else you can do with a selection in a terminal emulator. If I have a three-button mouse, the middle mouse button isn't doing anything useful, so why not allow it do paste, as is traditional in unix environments?
NB that Terminal.app actually emulates xterm escape sequences. However, it sends "vt100" as the terminal type. What the hell is the logic behind that? Are they trying to pander to the clueless newbs who can't figure out how to set their terminal type when they telnet into an older Sun box, or what?
Terminal.app steals the page up/page down keys for scrolling, instead of using shift page up/shift page down, as is the norm. If you actually need to send page up/page down to a program, you're SOL, and a number of terminal programs expect these keys for some function because no other terminal emulator that I know of has stolen them.
If Apple adds native X support, I'll finally be able to use a Macintosh as a terminal. I'll open up Terminal.app, ssh into a normal *nix box and launch xterm remotely. NB: I don't care about fink or any other third-party X server. The only time I'll use a Macintosh is if I'm in the field and I have nothing else available (so I'm not going to install third-party software on someone else's machine).
I believe it would be far more useful if Apple coded up their apps to be proper X clients instead of adding X server support to OS X. If you try to run OS X Server, the only way you can configure the various services is via their little gui application (or, you can figure out the undocumented netinfo strings they modify, but then you're in the exact same boat as with figuring out what registry keys MS Windows software modifies and uses). These applications are supposedly "network-aware" - you can run them on some other machine and connect to your server remotely. However, they're still completely useless, as you need to install the applications on the other machine, and you need to have a Macintosh as your currently-available machine in order to do it in the first place. If some machine is misbehaving, you have to find an OS X machine whose owner will allow you to install software, or you need to physically get to the box - more often than not, you end up physically going to the box, whereas I don't even remember what the cases on my FreeBSD servers look like.
As for your original question, xterm is the only thing I can think of. I spend 80% of my time in xterm and the other 20% in a web browser. If OS X had a decent terminal emulator and some decent window management (don't get me started on that), I would be able to use it as a workstation. I really can't think of many X applications that I would miss, except perhaps xdvi (fast startup, controlled from command line) and xfig (does things I can't find in any other application, saves to plain text.fig files which can be edited). Might also be useful for the occasional X-based third-party installation program (like sybase and a number of less well-known programs). Would also be useful for running things like matlab or mathematica - you can run them on some remote box via X11, which means you don't need 100 licenses for 100 different machines, just one license for one machine (albeit the *nix licenses are usually more expensive than the Windows or Mac licneses because the vendors expect you to do this sort of thing).
Slashdot Mirror
Even your 4-word post took a 2-point score. Hope they find better material.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
once you hit X amount of karma, you post @ 2. one you hit 26 o 27 karma, you post @ 3, like me.
moox. for a new generation.
Well Karma is no longer measured in visible points for a start and the lst time it was mine was up at 50 - this highest it displays, and I never posted at 3.
This highest anyone posts at without moderation is, I believe, 2.
Matt Thompson - Actuality - Insert product here.
maybe it's how i have my slashdot prefs setup, but both you and i are posting at 3. i think you might get an extra +1 tacked on to your next post after recieving a mod point, which is how i post at 3.... not really sure, but that's how it comes up on my screen.
moox. for a new generation.
It's probably your prefs... your message hasn't been moderated yet, and it's at 2.
true && more || less
Considering that this is a weak Apple thread and the editors refuse to post
my Ask Slashdot: post, I'll hijack this article and post it here....
If Apple where to add native X11 support to OS X (don't ask),
and wanted to show off this new capability, what would you
recommend as the top ten X11 apps? I know there's things
like the GIMP, but beyond things like desktop managers,
what does the Linux community run under X11 (or X on X,
or XFree86) that gives them a smug feeling of superiority?
I can't think of 10, can you?