Slashdot Mirror


ElcomSoft Verdict: Not Guilty

truthsearch writes "From News.com: 'A jury on Tuesday found a Russian software company not guilty of criminal copyright charges for producing a program that can crack anti-piracy protections on electronic books.' HUGE legal win against the DMCA. Thank you Lawrence Lessig."

20 of 433 comments (clear)

  1. Great!! by Jaysyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is great news for Dimitri & friends, but on the other hand this will never make it before the USSC to be ruled unconstitutional. I guess it's at least a good precident to set for other cases.

    jaysyn

    --
    There is a war going on for your mind.
  2. so now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what I want to know is how is the US Government and/or Adobe going to compensate Dmitri and Elcomsoft for this fraudulent lawsuit?

    The way he was treated and the significant portion of his life that was stolen from him to deal with this ridiculous lawsuit demands some serious retribution to make things right.

    1. Re:so now... by Qrlx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      how is the US Government and/or Adobe going to compensate Dmitri

      A free lifetime supply of e-books?

      But seriously, they're not going to give him diddly. Things are frequently never made "right," esp. when the criminal justice system is involved.

      It's not like you get restitution for when the cops pull you over, give you a warning, and let you go. Though technically you were detained for a few minutes while they ran your registration. What happened to Dmitry is the same thing but on a larger scale.

      No fraud here. Lots of innuendo and FUD, but nothing arising to the legal definition of fraud. If you want to give hackers a better name, stop using the word fraudulently ... uh, fraudulently.

    2. Re:so now... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not in favor of the DMCA but the software that this company developed does go afoul of this law. It is only the fact that it couldn't be proven that they knew it was in violation of the law that got them off.

      This is not as big a win against the DMCA as some want to believe.

      --
      The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
  3. Re:Ok, someone fill me in by Rai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm no legal expert, but I think we're still a long way from overturning that law. It will take a lot more cases such as this...a LOT more.

  4. The biggest problem by Slime-dogg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is that the case was turned on the wording, moreso the usage of the word "Willful." This case does not provide precedence for using the software to crack an eBook. Basically, we still cannot use our open source machines to do something that proprietary machines can.

    There was no precedence established for the unconstitutionality of the DMCA, in part or in whole. Once that happens, we can be happy.

    --
    You need to restart your computer. Hold down the Power button for several seconds or press the Restart button.
    1. Re:The biggest problem by thelen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly, this case doesn't speak at all to whether the DMCA is itself legitimate, but rather whether ElcomSoft was in violation of it. This is good news in the sense that it sets a precendent for how to avoid prosecution under the law, but in no way actually undermines the law itself, which is what we truly need to happen.

    2. Re:The biggest problem by Enigma2175 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      if one were to legally purchase an eBook and use Elcomsoft's software to convert the eBook into a PDF to view in otherwise incompatible viewers, for personal use only (not to be shared), then I believe that would be legit, since it is not legal for content copyright holders to prevent the user from personal use of the copyrighted materials.

      IANAL, but the way I understand the "fair use" principle, the copyright holder can do whatever they like in an attempt to prevent you from copying their work. They just are not allowed to prosecute you if you do manage to copy it.

      Of course you would need to copy it with tools that you build yourself. If you used somebody else's tools (like the ebook decryption program in question or decss) then the author may be found guilty of violating the DMCA for distributing a "circumvention device". I don't think it is illegal to possess a circumvention device, I believe it is just illegal to (willfully) distribute them.

      --

      Enigma

  5. Re:Ok, someone fill me in by buzzdecafe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IANAL, but--
    In order to overturn the law, it would probably have been better to lose the case. Then they could appeal their way up the food chain to the Supreme Court. Challenging the constitutionality of the law is the way to get it overturned; losing in the lower courts is the only way to get there.

    But, I ain't no expert, so I also would appreciate more light on this issue.

  6. Re:Huge legal win? I think not. by g_adams27 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    > This is not a "huge legal win" by any stretch of the word

    I disagree. Take another look at the last paragraph of the article:

    The judge told jurors...[that] merely offering a product that could violate copyrights was not enough to warrant a conviction

    That's a huge statement! One of the big, big sticks wielded by the RIAA/MPAA and others against software makers is that they can be held liable if their programs merely have the capability of being used to violate copyrights, even if the programmer had the best of intentions and never intended that it be used for that purpose. This guidance from the judge significantly reduces the ability of RIAA/MPAA to swing that stick.

  7. The judge's instructions by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's the interesting part. He instructed the jury that simply making a product that could be used for copyright violation wasn't enough, the company had to intend for it to be used for copyright violation. This is similar to DeCSS, where it can be but isn't intended for copyright violation. If the ElcomSoft instructions were used in the DeCSS case, they'd be found not guilty by the same reasoning. From a PR standpoint this is a win, because it undercuts the ability of companies to use the DMCA to shut down everything while still allowing them to prosecute actual violation, and it makes them prove intent instead of just possible use.

    1. Re:The judge's instructions by dillon_rinker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And I think that's an ESSENTIAL distinction. If intent is not one of the determining factors, then Dell, Gateway, Compaq, HP, etc are all guilty of violating the DMCA. Why? Because they provide general purpose computing devices. These are demonstrably capable of subverting copy-protection mechanisms.

  8. Great, but I don't think it sets a precedent. by RealAlaskan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is certainly good news for Elcomsoft: they've won their battle. Unfortunately, it doesn't help much to win the war. This decision was by the jury. That means that it doesn't set a precedent, and won't help get the law overturned.

    What this decision does do is show the government one way not to prosecute honest programmers and researchers. What it doesn't do is keep them from finding other ways, that will work.

    To set a precedent, we need a judge's decision that the DMCA is/is not unenforceable/unconstitutional. That will make the DMCA a settled issue within that judge's jurisdiction. To make it effective nation-wide, it then needs to be appealed to the Supreme court, and upheld there.

  9. Re:Huge legal win? I think not. by Guido69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly. From reading the article, this sounds more like a win for the DMCA. Elcomsoft was found not guilty only because the tests in the law were not passed. Had nothing to do with whether or not those tests were appropriate.

    I'm glad to see Elcomsoft come out on top of this, but don't see where it helps overturn the DMCA.

    --
    - If we aren't supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat? - Steven Wright
  10. Five months in the hole is a win? by Chagrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's not forget that Dmitry spent five months in jail. In this whole rediculous case, that is the real crime.

    --

    I/O Error G-17: Aborting Installation

  11. why this this is probably a Bad Thing by dAzED1 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There exists, among some in the /. community, and adversion to actually clicking links and reading articles. So I'll quote the important part.
    The defense, in turn, argued that ElcomSoft acted responsibly, removing the software from the Web just days after learning of Adobe's concerns. Both Sklyarov and ElcomSoft president Alexander Katalov testified that they did not think their software was illicit and did not intend for it to be used on books that had not been legally purchased. Under cross- examination by the defense, an Adobe engineer acknowledged that his company did not find any illegal eBooks even after hiring two firms to search the Web for unauthorized copies.

    Because both the defense and prosecution agreed that ElcomSoft sold software designed to crack copyright protections, the case essentially turned on ElcomSoft's state of mind during the period it was offering the software.

    After much wrangling among attorneys over the definition of the word "willful," the judge told jurors that in order to find the company guilty, they must agree that company representatives knew their actions were illegal and intended to violate the law. Merely offering a product that could violate copyrights was not enough to warrant a conviction, the jury instructions said.


    Elmsoft knew what they designed the software to do. Duh. The jury was directed though to determine if Elmsoft "willfully" broke the law though. They decided that because Elmsoft stopped offering the software, that it wasn't willfull.

    My personal opinion is that this is a Bad Thing, because it validates the DMCA, if anything. At the very least, it doesn't hurt it at all. The instructions were to determine if Elmsoft broke the law - what law? The DMCA. So the DMCA was being raised as a standard to determine willful disregard of - it being law was never questioned. Personally, I think its rather dumb to think that Elmsoft didn't *willfully* do what they did. I don't, however, think it should be against the law (due to fair-use) to do it, but until the law that does indeed exist is questioned, it is still law. If that makes sense.


    The world of Common Sense had no victory today. And considering the appeals that will continue, not even Elmsoft gained anything.

  12. Re:Jury Instructions by bnenning · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Providing something that can be used illicitly is different from providing something that can only be used illicitly.


    Exactly. An excellent argument to that effect was inadvertently made by Mr. Valenti himself when he called DeCSS a "digital crowbar". Note to Jack: crowbars are legal, and with good reason.

    --
    How to solve most of our problems: 1.Lots of nuclear plants. 2.Cure aging.
  13. Minus One, Redundant by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    BECAUSE THEY SOLD THE SOFTWARE TO PEOPLE IN THE US. IN EXCHANGE FOR US DOLLARS. FROM A SERVER HOSTED IN THE US.

    Holy Christ, will this question ever stop getting asked? It's come up in every /. story about the case since Dmitry was first arrested. And it's been answered soundly each time.

    Hopefully the end of the court case means no one will need to ask it again.

  14. Vengeful or Not, it would be appropriate by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, he may not want to do that to them, or they may not have enough to make it worthwhile. I'd consider suing the kid just to get her convicted of a felony, which gets to go on her permanent record and fucks her life about as squarely as she just fucked his.

    But that's me, and I can be a vengeful asshole if you screw me first.


    Your (or "Tom's") motive might be vengeful, but that wouldn't make it an entirely appropriate and constructive way to handle this sort of apalling injustice.

    Constructive how, you ask? Because clearly the only deterrance that really exists against this sort of abusive false accusation (in addition to normal social pressures and etiquette, which people who make such accusations are unmoved by anyway) is the fear of very real, very profound consequences.

    Her having her reputation and life ruined by having her deception, and its willfully harmful and destructive consequences, in the public record is a singuarly natural and appropriate consequence of her despicable actions.

    Whether out of vengeance, or to simply deter future similar acts, "Tom" should seriously persue such a case regardless. His motive is irrelevant, the outcome that is desired is for the perpetrator (in this case, the false accuser) to suffer appropriately for her crime, and in an appropriately severe and public enough manner to deter others from such conduct.

    --
    The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
  15. Re:That doesn't make sense...? by Saeger · · Score: 5, Insightful
    But how much will it cost me in lawyer fees to get to the point of having my case dismissed?

    Unenforced laws still have chilling effects.

    --

    --
    Power to the Peaceful