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Is the New Microsoft Office Really Open?

joesklein asks: "From CNET, there is an article about the new Microsoft Office 11. In summary 'Microsoft says it's opening its Office desktop software by adding support for XML--a move that should help companies free up access to shared information. But there's a catch: It has yet to disclose the underlying XML dialect.' Could this be grounds for another anti-trust suit against Microsoft?"

11 of 485 comments (clear)

  1. sure it is! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    it supports .DOC, the de facto standard for documents. What's this XML you're talking about?

  2. LOL by Boss,+Pointy+Haired · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well if the way Microsoft Word saves out as HTML is anything to go by, then concise it most definitely will not be.

    1. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny



      <head>
      <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =
      charset=3Dus-ascii">

      <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">

      <style>
      <!-- /* Font Definitions */
      @font-face
      {font-family:Tahoma;
      panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */
      p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
      {margin:0in;
      margin-bottom:.0001pt;
      font-size:12.0pt;
      font-family:"Times New Roman";}
      a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
      {color:blue;
      text-decoration:underline;}
      a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
      {color:purple;
      text-decoration:underline;}
      span.emailstyle17
      {font-family:Arial;
      color:windowtext;}
      span.emailstyle18
      {font-family:Arial;
      color:navy;}
      span.EmailStyle19
      {font-family:Arial;
      color:navy;}
      @page Section1
      {size:8.5in 11.0in;
      margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;}
      div.Section1
      {page:Section1;}
      -->
      </style>

      </head>

      <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple>

      <div class=3DSection1>

      <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
      style=3D'font-size:
      10.0pt;font-family:Arial;c olor:navy'>

      I agree.

      </span></font></p>

    2. Re:LOL by Wolfier · · Score: 5, Funny
      <?xml version="1.0" encoding="base-64?>
      <!doctype MS_WORD
      <!ELEMENT WORD_DATA>
      ]>
      <WORD_DATA>SGFoYSwgaWYgeW91IHJlYWx seSBhcmUgdHJ5aW5nIHRvIGRlY29kZSB0aGlzLCB5b3UgaGF2Z SB0b28gbXVjaCB0aW1lIG9uIHlvdXIgaGFuZHMh<WORD_DATA>
      </xml>
  3. "Could this be grounds for another lawsuit?" WTF? by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, mister Hairtrigger, we should sue Microsoft simply because they won't release trade secrets. We will surely win.

    - A.P.

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    "Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
  4. Re:Lovely... by ceejayoz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh no! Heaven forbid someone extend the eXtensible Markup Language!

  5. Re:"XML dialect"?!? by Frobnicator · · Score: 5, Funny
    Who died and made you incorrect corrector of common terms of speach?
    ahem. speech

    :-)

    frob.

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  6. Re:Embrace and Extend by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 5, Funny

    The difference between Microsoft and their competitors is that MS is willing to take a long-term view:

    1) Establish a monopoly on office productivity software
    2) Profit!
    3) See income drop once everyone has Office. Market saturation!
    4) Less Profit :-(
    5) Release new Office with new file formats; use monopoly to get it pre-loaded on all new PCs.
    6) Eventually everyone else upgrades Office in order to read new file formats they're getting from their co-workers.
    7) Profit!
    8) Release new OS with filesystem that looks like a database.
    9) Release YAO (Yet Another Office) [see 5 & 6] that only works with new database/filesystem in new OS.
    10) Now, not only do the masses have to upgrade Office to read co-workers files, they have to upgrade Windows as well.
    11) Profit!!!!!

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    If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
  7. Draw you Own Conclusions by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Funny
    well, tongue in cheek

    the Love Caculator demonstrates that

    Draw your own conclusions. cute little widget.

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    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
  8. Re:Points to remember... by ryanvm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Get off the high horse guys, whether its binary or XML is irrelevant, making something XML doesn't make it open.

    You keep using that phrase, I do not think it means what you think it means.

  9. Re:Are you paying attention? It's Microsoft. by Sivar · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..so I can write a cross-platform tool to open their files.

    ifstream("MyOfficeFile.doc", ios::in);
    Crossplatform enough for you?


    As funny as it is useful. I can read the most thoroughly encrypted files that way, too. It's good to have a Windows programmer around...

    Oh, you mean edit the files? I remember writing VBA code that did that just fine.. Good documentation how to do that - much easier then working with a crazy-ass XML schema?

    It seems that between your first sentence and your second, you forgot the "cross-platform" part. Of course, if you're a VB programmer I can't blame you--you were probably born that way.
    (I'm just kidding, no personal insult intended)

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    Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra