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GUADEC/Gnome Fund Appeal

With the end of the year approaching, the Gnome Foundation has put together an appeal for help. You can also just head over to Gnome.org to contribute directly - and this year, they become a charity organization, meaning that contributions for US citizens will be tax deductions. Yay, tax deductions!

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  1. Why is there a GNOME foundation? by phr2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought GNOME was part of the GNU project. So isn't there already an FSF to handle the donation collecting end of things?

    1. Re:Why is there a GNOME foundation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to this:

      The FSF promotes the development of free software -- particularly the GNU operating system and its GNU/Linux variants. The FSF helps to spread awareness of the ethical and political issues of software freedom.

      And when looking at the detail here here, it speaks nothing of FSF support. So I guess an uninformed guess would be "no, not for Gnome"

    2. Re:Why is there a GNOME foundation? by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're calling somebody a communist and acusing them of being extremist in the same breath?

      QT has the potential to make commercial development on Linux more restrictive than commercial development on Windows.

      Yes, commercial interests don't have to use QT if they don't want to, and yes today it is only $2k per developer, and yes, you can develop GPL apps and make money off them... but

      1. The QT commercial license can change
      2. You don't have to use a GPL-ish license to develop free software under Windows, why should QT force you to do so under Linux?
      3. Forking into a different toolkit for commercial development is a detriment to free software

      So I guess if you really want, GTK can be used for:

      • Apps with BSD and similar licenses
      • Commercial internally developed applications for which funding would never be approved, and GPLing them would be out of the question
      • Shareware

      In short... anything which would not get commercial licensing and would not use a GPL-ish license.

      There is a reason the LGPL exists. There is a reason why a library struggling for wide acceptance in Linux should not be using the GPL (or QPL for that matter) for distribution.

      The only reasons to accept the restrictions of QT are 1. you con't care in the slightest about non GPL-ish development (even BSD-ish), or 2. you think that having a slick, easy to use, free library NOW is more important than anything else.

      But for those two reasons, you might as well just develop under Windows. There are fewer restrictions.

  2. Re:A Charity Organization? by Znork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why? By what criteria? Help a cancer victim and they'll die eventually anyway, help a famine victim and they might last until the next famine... but help get free code created and it has the capacity to last and help unlimited numbers of people for a long time. Help develop software that can spare the governments in the third world from spending money on proprietary software and they'll have more money over to spend on fighting famine. Help develop an equal playing field in the IT industry and developing countries will have a chance to create an indigenous industry without paying IP taxes to the rich world.

    Worthwhile depends on your point of view. You may get a warm fuzzy feeling from helping someone more directly. If you do, I suggest you work at a homeless shelter or some similar charity, where you can see and touch the people you help.

    Me, I prefer being charitable for more longrange goals. In the long run I regard it as more worthwhile.

  3. Re:A Charity Organization? by Diabolical · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I think of all of the worthy charities that help the less-fortunate, the idea of a bunch of self-indulgent computer programmers taking advantage of our tax code like this is revolting.

    And the very idea of having your tax money being used to wage war against a very poor country isn't?

    I know i'd rather spend it on helping GNOME.

  4. Re:A Charity Organization? by zombiepopper · · Score: 5, Informative
    Gnome isn't a "charity" but a tax-exempt, non-profit organization. This is right from gnome.org:
    GNOME Foundation is a tax-exempt, non-profit 501(c)(3) organization and all donations are tax-deductible in the USA
    There are plenty of other organizations that have the same status that are surely more disturbing than a group dedicated to working on such a high quality (free) project as Gnome.
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  5. Yes, and for a good reason. by qwijibrumm · · Score: 3, Interesting
    When I think of all of the worthy charities that help the less-fortunate, the idea of a bunch of self-indulgent computer programmers taking advantage of our tax code like this is revolting.

    Ok.... where do I start? First off, what makes you think that the GNOME project, or any free software project does not help the less fortunate. The GNOME project, along with the rest of GNU, is constantly being deployed in less developed countries. This helps provide education on computer use and programming skills to people who otherwise couldn't afford the expensive software. The fact of the matter is education is the key to break out of poverty. GNOME, as part of GNU provides this.

    How the hell is any free software project self-indulgent? Maybe the feeling of skill and greatness when you submit a patch for a bug fix, but self-indulgent what are you talking about? These "self-indulgent" programmers provided me with a desktop environment, and I have scarcely given a thing back.(sorry I'm poor too.)

    The people who make the GNOME project possible don't see a return short of feeding themselves, just like the Salvation Army, or the American Cancer Society. They clear their overhead and donate their product and services to anyone who needs them, just like any legitimate charity.
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  7. *sigh* by msobkow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's far different than Gnome taking tax-deductible donations and then creating a GUI that is sold by Sun/RedHat/etc.

    You can go to any number of websites, download the Gnome source, and build your own. The fact that someone else provides the service of doing the download and build for you (e.g. RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake, et. al.) doesn't make it "their" product.

    You really like to focus on that misconception that the donations support the programmers who contribute. In fact you are so completely enamoured of that misconception that I'm going to just "walk away" at this point -- I have a feeling I'd have an easier time converting a Southern Baptist preacher to Hinduism than convincing you to let go of that fantasy.

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