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Many Tools of Big Brother Are Up and Running

wildfrontiersman writes "NY Times article, Many Tools of Big Brother Are Up and Running, quote: 'Because of the inroads the Internet and other digital network technologies have made into everyday life over the last decade, it is increasingly possible to amass Big Brother-like surveillance powers through Little Brother means. The basic components include everyday digital technologies like e-mail, online shopping and travel booking, A.T.M. systems, cellphone networks, electronic toll-collection systems and credit-card payment terminals.' This is too scary. I am now ready for a little less convenience and a little more privacy. How about you?"

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  1. uh oh by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 5, Funny

    if they can link my AC postings to my ID then I am screwed

  2. Attitude Adjustment? by Mu*puppy · · Score: 5, Funny
    This is too scary. I am now ready for a little less convenience and a little more privacy. How about you?

    What a dim outlook on life you have. Perhaps you need to spend some time in the Ministry of Love...

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    There's no wrong way, to eat a Rhesus...
  3. Too Late by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Funny

    > This is too scary. I am now ready for a little
    > less convenience and a little more privacy. How
    > about you?"

    Anomolous behavior will flag you as a "person of interest". Find out what the typical consumer of your age, income and education does and do it.

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    Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
  4. Am I the only one? by pVoid · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Who doesn't get spam because I've never used my real email address on a site?

    Who doesn't have any subscriptions to anywhere except for my driver's license, bank cards (one credit, one debit) and Social insurance number?

    People who become peons of Big Brother do so because they want big brother to nurture their lazieness... It's almost like selling your soul to the devil in exchange of comfort.

    I could travel to an arab country and back (from Canada - with a canadian passport), and nobody would know.

    Wake up people - it's not that hard.

    1. Re:Am I the only one? by pVoid · · Score: 4, Interesting
      To all of these posts, I have this to say:

      Have you watched the movie 'Traffic'... it's all about numbers and odds. If you travel through places that carry lots of people flow, you are rather safe (you won't arrouse suspicion). For places that aren't crowded like this, you get less footprint...

      Example: cross from Toronto to Detroit, you have a pretty good chance of being asked your nationality, and that's it.

      Same in most european countries. Fly to Paris, and then find a car (don't make me explain how to do that)... and ride on off... Cross into slavic countries as fast as you can, and then roll on down to turkey.

      Be a 'new age' tourist. Pass from a non tourist heavy location where they *don't* have computer terminals (borders are wide lines, and not many are always computerized). And ride on down to Iran.

      It's not complicated. It's illusion to think that governments are all over the place... frick, the CIA hasn't been able to kill Saddam for years now because they just can't find out where he is...

      It's just as easy to live in your own little country and not leave a wide footprint. It's all about being aware of different data you leave around the place, and being careful not to leave hints on how to correlate it: like your email, and your actual location, your phone # and your IP, your name and your CC#. Even your passwords are hints as to who you are...

      In fact, there was an interesting concept in a book called "Writing Secure Code" (Moft PRess), on how the majority of the current passwords could be sniffed out: create a porn site... clean, free of popups. Get people to register for free (don't even ask for email), and you have a very good chance that people will choose the same password they use on most of their other accounts when they create an account for you...

  5. 1984 by Deathlizard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So George Orwell was off by 20 years.

    Hey Democrats. Looking for an issue? How about dropping the "Tax cuts for the Rich" and the "It's the Economy Stupid" Garbage and adopt a platform based on the Protection of civil liberities? With all of this "Homeland Security" running out the wazoo and back, and our freedoms going out the door one by one, maybe you would get people listening to what you have to say if you start informing people that their freedom is at risk.

  6. So, to make a point by Gnaythan1 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If the technology is already out there, and it doesn't take Big Brother to do it... let's start posting the available information about senators, key lobbyists, and other people supporting this. If a million eyes are watching their every move, maybe it won't end up happening... At the very least, we'll have a heads up on what's going on, and bring more attention to the problem.


    A few hundred web sites devoted to tracking the mundane habits of the guy who wants to do the same to you seems rather appropriate.

  7. Is life so dear? by zenyu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! -- Patrick Henry


    I wonder how many remember Poindexter and Iran/Contra? Iran/Contra was the last time the government broke the law in a "the ends justify the means" sense where they not only sold arms to Iran, which supported terrorism at the time, but used the money to support the Contras, a South American terrorist group, which they also helped sell cocaine in the US for even more terrorist money. All parts of the deal were illegal, the congress had told Reagan not to sell weapons to Iran, and not to give weapons or money to the terrorists; importing cocaine was illegal, though I think that took everyone by surprise.

    I think there are few that would justify Poindexter's pro-terrorist ends in this day when we are at the unfortunate end of the terrorist gun. But, knowing that he was part of such a conspiracy tells you that he has a contempt for the law and so can expected not to follow any meagre protections that may remain in it.
  8. For those that missed the reference by phorm · · Score: 4, Informative

    They haven't read the book most likely. Took me a second but I got it.

    For the record, it's talking about the "Ministry of Love", which was actually in charge of distributing hate, in the book 1984.

    Heck, a lot of people probably don't even know that the reference "big brother" is from there as well

    More info

  9. Re:It's Ironic... by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
    > There's an old saying that goes something like the master swordsman doesn't fear another master, he fears the amateur.
    >
    > I feel the same way about Big Brother. I don't consider them to be a threat about what they might intentionally find out about me or my friends/family. I fear what they might "think" they found in a fit of total incompetence.

    Amen to that. I heard the swordsman comment phrased a little less elegantly:

    "Evil has to sleep at night. Stupidity is 24/7."

    At least Big Brother as depicted in Orwell's 1984 was competent - it was staffed by dedicated bellyfeeling Party members who were capable of doing a pretty good job of hunting down and exterminating those who presented a threat to the Party, while leaving the proles alone.

    A Big Brother staffed by the cluel^H^H^H^H^H fucknoz^H^H^H^H^H^H^H twit^H^H^H^H individuals presently working at INS, or even your local DMV, scares me far more than the one in 1984.

    But compared to either of those alternatives, I'll take a Big Brother staffed by NSA and CIA any day. Heck, I'll even give the FBI a shot at joining in and redeem itself.

    Short of spending trillions to achieve the 1984 total security state, the way you achieve the optimum balance between freedom and security is that you have your police force be just a little bit stupid, and just a little bit slow.

    We got hit on 9/11 because we went for very slow and very stupid. Bureaucratic stonewalling (no information sharing between FBI, CIA, and NSA) was part of it, as were politically-motivated fuckups like diverting FBI resources away from the Islamokazi whackjob terrorist threat to investigate the domestic militia whackjob terrorist threat. As for stupidity, it doesn't get much dumber than giving visa confirmations to the 9/11 hijackers six months after all hell broke loose - only the INS could pull something like that. And only in the INS could Ashcroft himself not fire those responsible.

    IMNSHO, the proposed Big Brother composed of our intelligence agencies (NSA, CIA, post-9/11 FBI design goal) has the potential to achieve the right degree of stupidity and slowness for the job -- and I don't mean that as an insult. Any stupider and slower (pre-9/11 FBI, current INS), and we'd have another 9/11. Any smarter and faster (Stasi, KGB, Gestapo), and it'd be 1984.

  10. Hoover files by Kefaa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The issue is not whether we should be afraid they may find something, it is that they will.

    For years, the NRA has been fighting gun registration. Guess what, they just lost and it did not even require a vote. If I can record every electronic transaction, then the legal purchase you just made at Walmart was recorded and we know who bought the gun, where you live, etc... Now before you hit reply with "maybe we should know.." maybe we should. But, it should be explained to people that way, no usurped.

    Working in the travel business, specifically hotel systems, we try to have a "no spook" policy. We do not tie anything about your stay together. We don't send a "thank you for staying" note to you and your spouse just because two stayed in the room. We also don't comment on things you did there. (Porn channel, liter of scotch, etc.). This makes people uncomfortable, because they learn they are being tracked to an incredible detail. (when you entered and left your room, what you ate, drank and purchased in the hotel shop)

    The Information Awareness Office(IAO) is going the opposite route. They will be tying all this type of information together with your financial, banking, medical and police records. Consider what Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich would have been willing to do, to avoid having their "indescretions" revealed? Simply tying Newt's calendar to the hotel registrations in the area to the credit card paying for it...

    The problem with this information is we cannot trust people not to abuse it. The IAO is currently being run by John Poindexter a person convicted of five felony counts of lying to Congress, destroying official documents and obstructing the congressional inquiry. He thought he knew the best course of action for the country. Now given the information that would influence where we might go, that beats dollars any day.

    So if you don't do anything wrong why do you care? Because people in power will do something wrong and this makes Hoover's files first grade stuff.

  11. Here's the Problem by snarfer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When Nixon was President the FBI and CIA were actively engaged in suppressing expressions of political ideas that didn't conform to the Republican party line. Their activities included character assasination, IRS audits, getting people fired and ruining their careers, even blackmail and extortion.

    Later, under Reagan, you could be investigated if you participated in organizations (don't try to be smart here - this included Catholic Church activities) trying to stop the wars in Nicaragua or El Salvadore, and these investigations involved agents coming to your workplace and making you look like a criminal in front of your employer.

    Now the current administration is hiring people convicted of previous political crimes to run various agencies, including the Total Information Awareness initiative, which involves collecting ALL data about you, including now intercepting e-mail and phone conversations! This agency is run by a man convicted of using his job to engage in political activities any engaging in a cover-up so that Congress wouldn't find out. THIS is who is running this operation, and this should tell you all you need to know about the Administration's intentions!

    This will be a political spying operation.