Slashdot Mirror


Lindows Legal Challenge

pphrdza was one of several readers who sent in the latest on the Lindows front - it's a Ny Times (Free reg. blah blah) article entitled Glass Panes and Software. Not a whole lot of new information - more around the legal challenge blah blah.

15 of 345 comments (clear)

  1. Re:Non reg ver. by ccady · · Score: 4, Informative

    That does not work for me, but this does

    --
    J'aime mieux les méchants que les imbéciles, parce qu'ils se reposent. -- Alexandre Dumas
  2. Re:Make things interesting by Znonymous+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, he should chage it to "Lill Lates" so he dosen't get sued.

    --

    Karma: The shiznight, mostly because I am the Drizzle.

  3. No-reg-required link by Uninvited+Guest · · Score: 5, Informative
    --
    Sometimes I worry that I'll develop Alzheimer's disease, but no one will notice.
  4. Re:Make things interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    no, no, no, Gil Bates!

  5. It's Microsoft, what did you think would happen? by KaiKaitheKai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, you take your proudct, that directly competes with Microsoft's. You change one letter of it, and market it. What do you think is going to happen?

    The $200 and $300 computers are perfect for those people who just want to visit this new-fangled internet thing, or type something up. It provides a low-cost, low-risk entry into the digital world. This is why Microsoft feels threatened.

    Now, Lindows is not Windows, that is true. It may not be able to run as many programs, etc, fill in whatever you want, but the average super-low cost user doesn't need this. All they want is word processing, and internet access. If you don't want to spend $400 For Office XP, and $200 for Windows XP, because all you want to do is type and surf, you will opt for the PC that costs less than your OS.

  6. Re:Question by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've had trouble explaining to people how 129$ up front and 75$ a year from there on in is "Free" software.

    --
    I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
  7. Re:Who here has legs by vrmlguy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office may only require an applicant prove acquired distinctiveness if the mark is merely descriptive of the goods or services. Common words or phases that are NOT merely descriptive of the goods or services are registrable without the need to prove the mark has acquired distinctiveness. For example, there is a well-known company that chose the word "apple" as a mark for the sale of computers. "Apple" is of course a common word. However, when used in connection with the sale of computers it is highly unique and even arbitrary. Apple Computer Co. was not required to show that their mark had a distinctive secondary meaning apart from the original meaning.

    The trademark for "Windows" is in trouble because the word was used to describe computer GUI software long before Microsoft introduced their product.

    --
    Nothing for 6-digit uids?
  8. Re:Who here has legs by Gregg+M · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Microsoft has more a leg to stand on in this trial than Lindows

    I believe Lindows has more hand. Not only was windows a generic term for glass in walls, it was also a generic term for a software interface. It was used by many companies. Microsoft has no rights over that.

    --
    Linux is only free if your time has no value. Windows is only free if you threaten to use Linux.
  9. Pre-emptive strike by sheriff_p · · Score: 5, Funny

    Before anyone mods up a stupid comment - would you be up-in-arms is Microsoft's next server platform was called Minux? Thanks. Next.

    --
    Score:-1, Funny
  10. However this plays out... by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    While I have no love in particular for either Microsoft or Lindows, I do hope on some level that Microsoft ends up losing something significant in this case. It would be nice, for once, to see a big company initiate legal proceedings against a much smaller entity, then come out the worse for it in the end. Too many times you see big companies coming down with lawsuits with an apparent attitude of "even if we lose the case we don't come out behind, and perhaps we can crush them solely with the expenses of litigation."

    --
    It's not wasting time, I'm educating myself.
  11. Re:It's Microsoft, what did you think would happen by blakestah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What are you talking about? The article is about trademark law. Back in the day, Microsoft was granted a trademark on the name Windows. Now, you can't trademark a word commonly associated with the product you are making. For example, I couldn't trademark the name "ice cream" for my ice cream product. The word is commonly used for that already, and this has two negative effects. One, I gain value by associating my trademark with the words defining the product. Two, I shut out all my competitors from being able to market "ice cream".

    In Microsoft's case, the answer will be pretty clear. The trademark on "Windows" should never have been granted in the first place. It was already a common name in computer software. The fact that Lindows changes one letter is irrelevant if the Windows trademark is invalid.

    And the preliminary injunction said it was invalid, and allowed Lindows to use its name pending trial. Expect Microsoft to get slammed. But don't worry - this will not affect trademarks on WindowsXP, Windows2000, Windows3.1, or Windows NT, each of which can stand alone as its own trademark.

    But the generic term Windows will be gone. And plenty of other computer manufacturers will be quick to use Windows in the names of their products.

  12. Re:It's Microsoft, what did you think would happen by theLOUDroom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Okay, you take your proudct, that directly competes with Microsoft's. You change one letter of it, and market it. What do you think is going to happen?

    You are not accutately describing the situation. Windows is a generic term. Trademarking windows is like me going and trademarking "wiper blades." It's a generic term already in common use, just like windows was. It shouldn't matter if my wiperblades company gets 90% market share, I picked a generic term.

    BTW Xwindows only differs from windows by only letter too, so even with your logic MS should loose their trademark.

    --
    Life is too short to proofread.
  13. Microsoft Forced Windows Commander to change... by SailorBob · · Score: 5, Interesting
    it's name after some 9 years. From: Windows Commander Name Change

    Windows Commander is now Total Commander!

    Why this name change? In Summer 2002, we received a letter from attorneys representing the owner of the trademark Windows. In this letter they expressed concerns that our usage of the name could lead to confusion with their own products. In particular, people could think that our program could be from their company. We were indirectly asked to change the name of our software.

    Because Windows is registered as a trademark, we didn't want to risk a lawsuit, and decided to change the name. It's important to mention that we have been treated in a very fair way: There have never been any legal threats, and we could negotiate a transitional period until the end of the year. We ask you to consider this, and not to make any negative comments - especially in the forum. Because we are legally responsible for its contents, it could bring us into deep legal troubles. Please also do not contact us because of the new name. As a small company, we couldn't handle the big amount of messages. We will not give more information about the name change anyway.

    The original name Windows Commander was chosen more by coincidence. There were already many Commander-style programs for DOS (e.g. DOS Command Center, DOS Controller, and the Norton Commander), but hardly any for Windows. The word Commander was standing already at this time - 9 years ago - for a whole class of file managers with 2 windows side by side. Windows Commander was one of the very first such programs for Windows, therefore the chosen name was quite logical.

    The new name Total Commander was chosen together with a trademark attorney. Total Commander was also registered as a trademark. Thanks to the new name, we now also have new possibilities to offer similar products for other platforms, e.g. for PocketPC or Linux. The name should stand for the fact that the program puts you in total command over your files. It allows you to see what is really saved on the harddisk, and helps you to manipulate all files directly.

    We can only speculate why the owner of the name 'Windows' has become active just now (after 9 years). On one side, they have been put under pressure by the usage of their (slightly changed) name by the Linux community. There have been reproaches that they wouldn't be actively defending their name, and losing their trademark this way. On the other side, someone else had just registered the domain www.windowscommander.com (which we own ourselves in the meantime). The company may have noticed us because of this registration.

    --

    Woopty Doo Basil, what does it all mean?!

  14. Re:Who here has legs by bpowell423 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems Microsoft has a habbit of naming products "Microsoft Word", "Microsoft Flight Simulator", "Microsoft Windows", etc., and then dropping the "Microsoft" part to attempt to get the public to associate the generic term with Microsoft. I think it would be appropriate if the practice came back to haunt them.

  15. Did anyone notice... by Audacious · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...that Bill Gates purjured himself? The quote on page 2:

    "In written testimony last month, Bill Gates, Microsoft's chairman asserted that...Windows is a layer of software between an operating system and an application...."

    In the antitrust testimony Bill Gates was very emphatic that Windows and the OS were the same thing and could not be separated. Maybe someone should pass this along to those states which are still in litigation. Be interesting to see the response Mr. Gates has on this. :-)

    --
    Someone put a black hole in my pocket and now I'm broke. :-)