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Linux and Forensic Discovery

Max Pyziur writes "Found this on cryptome.org where Linux is cited in a DOJ document against Moussaoui (sometimes referred to as the "20th man"). FBI: Moussaoui E-mail Not Recoverable - January 1, 2003." An interesting read which gives some insight into how computer evidence is handled in court.

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  1. Secure File Deletion by b1ng0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    To anyone who is concerned about having their deleted files recovered, take a look at Wipe - in its strongest mode it will make 37 passes over the data in order to be sure that electron microscopes cannot reconstruct the bit patterns.

    1. Re:Secure File Deletion by bloxnet · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wipe is a nice program, but it is simply overkill. It has been shown in studies that typically 3 passes of a data wiping program should make your data non-recoverable by standard means (using popular forensics tools such as EnCase, Maresware, NTI's batch of programs, or disk editors on whatever platform you are interested in). As to how much the U.S. government investigators are able to retrieve...well that falls into your urban legends category I suppose. For the most part, DoJ guildelines suggest wiping your data 7 times as part of the norm. This is because of the non precise manner in which hard drive read/write heads pass over the disk itself (more of a wobble rather than a perfect circular motion). I just recently saw a whitepaper on Encase's site that covered users of WinXP using EFS (encrypted filesystem) secure deletion (which just does 3 passes) that makes recovery of the files deleted not possible this is the whitepaper. Just as the above reference article concludes, it should be kept in mind that there is so many places to look on Windows and Unix machines other than what files were deleted. Perhaps pictures of your latest porn stash or the Word document covering your NDA violations are gone, but registry settings, file slack (as was mentioned in the parent article briefly), pagefiles, memory dumps, and many other locations that track your activities on a given machine can be used as well. Wow, I did not mean to get so long winded...I just really get into computer forensics. My personal advice for decent file security and deletion is encryption + multi-pass deletion. There are several encrypted filesystems out there for both Windows and *nix, and a few options that are viable with both (BestCrypt File system containers and also BCWipe for deletion is a good example). I don't see the need to start advertising products, so check out the options for OS level and OS independent solutions.

  2. Oh Please! by Snowbeam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How is this news? They are using "dd" a Linux utility. Seeing "Linux" in an article does not warrant a story about it. This demeans Linux by using every little scrap of news to attempt to show that it is in use. Instead we should be demostrating it's uses, rather that reporting that it is in use.

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    I am Lord Snowbeam. Heed my call!
  3. NIST Computer Forensics Tool Testing by metatruk · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the article:
    Before addressing the authentication for the four specific computers, an error in Mr. Allison's affidavit must be corrected. In his affidavit, Mr. Allison writes: "Many methods are available to create an exact duplicate; however, only one method - the GNU/Linux routine dd - has been approved by the National Institute of Standards and Technologies." Allison Affidavit at 3. This statement is simply wrong. The National Institute of Standards and Technologies (NIST) does not "approve" software, it merely tests it and then publishes the results of its tests.

    The test reults are abailable here:
    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/sciencetech/cftt.htm
  4. You may assume anything you wish. . . by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

    but according to NIST, and my own experince, such is not the case. Not only is dd cheaper by thousands of dollars than the "professional" apps made to do such things, but it's often *more* effective, and almost always easier to use.

    At its heart it's just a simple copy command.

    In fact, the dd tool is so simple, and simple minded, that it would be easier to write a simple graphical front end for it than to learn the GUI of exiting Windows apps designed to do the same thing.

    I don't know quite how to break this to you, but *sometimes* language is the simpler, more powerful and more *intuitive* means of getting something across than pointing at a picture and grunting.

    Unless, of course, your intellect hasn't yet advanced to that level of sophistication.

    KFG

  5. Re:CRC/SHA-1/MD5 by metatruk · · Score: 5, Informative
    Are they saying that two different files can't have the same hash value? That's a load of crap! It's not hard at all to modify data to create any hash value that you want

    From http://www.itl.nist.gov/fipspubs/fip180-1.htm:

    The SHA-1 is called secure because it is computationally infeasible to find a message which corresponds to a given message digest, or to find two different messages which produce the same message digest. Any change to a message in transit will, with very high probability, result in a different message digest, and the signature will fail to verify.
    So yes, two different files can have the same hash, but it's infeasible to do this. That's why hashing methods like SHA are used in cryptography; SHA-1 is used in DSA signatures.
  6. Misconceptions about data forensics by MoralHazard · · Score: 5, Informative

    Call this off-topic if you must, but I've seen gazillions of posts in this and many other threads about forensics and data recovery that are terribly misinformed about the realities of the field. Here's the two cents of a real, live forensic examiner:

    First, it is NOT realistically possible to recover data that has been overwritten ONE time. Yes, yes--I've read all the white papers on magnetic force microscopy (MFM) and I understand that a theory exists about recovery of overwritten data. In practice, nobody actually does it. Maybe one time, six years ago, some dude at NASA or MIT actually made this work conditions on an older disk with a lower bit density, but anyone telling you that old patterns can be read in the real world is full of shit. And yes, it's been tried. Millions have been spent on this, and nobody can do it. Anybody selling you software that claims under laboratory to be "more secure" because it overwrites more than once is being silly. It's not even paranoia, just lacking a clue.

    That's why forensic examiners don't need to have the original media. In fact, one of the big tenets of the job is to never, ever, ever perform analysis on the originals. You make a bitstream copy of the perp's (excuse me, "client's") disk, and you work with that.

    Oh, and electron microscopes have nothing to do with this theorized recovery process. MFM is a related but very different technology.

    Second, Linux versus Windows versus LogicCube versus ImageMasster (another brand) is utterly beside the point. Forensic shops use what they find to be cost effective, fast, and convenient. The dd command is great, and all, and many examiners use it on Linux platforms for their disk imaging needs, but it's not an analytical tool.

    Let me put it this way: do you actually think that a forensic examiner sits down, opens /dev/hdX in vi, and starts paging through 5 GB or hex? Oh, god, no--that would take years. Making the bitstream image is the easy part, and your choices are virtually unlimited. For the actual analysis (what does it MEAN), you need something that can examine an allocation table, interpret the results, and display the contents in an easy-to-understand format. You need software that can quickly search across a drive for a particular keyword, regular expression, or file signature. You need something that can analyze data for randomness in order to re-assemble images that have been chunked out across virtual memory. Linux does NOT have basic utilities for all of this, and neither does Windows.

    Last, a good forensic examiner is less constrained by his/her knowledge of computers than by his/her investigative skills. I know more about operating systems, file allocation, and troubleshooting than any of the 30-50 year old former cops/feds/spooks that I work with, but they're capable of far more effective work than I am. Why? Because once you have a few basic computer operations taken care of, the work has as much to do with computers as Computer Science does.

    The folks that put the child pornographers, embezzlers, script kiddies, and the rest of the computer criminals in jail generally know much, much less than you about computers, Slashdotters. They also don't give a rat's ass about Linux, Windows, Bill Gates, RMS, or any of it.