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1660 Diary Becomes 2003 Weblog

EnlightenmentFan writes "When technology improves a book that was already good, that's good news for nerds. I'm not talking about the Two Towers, but the diary of Samuel Pepys (1633-1703) (pronounced Peeps, as in marshmallow peeps), whose diaries record not only the Great Fire of London and the plague but his many seductions, trickeries, encounters with the king, almost getting executed, etc. Brit blogger Phil Gyford realized that this diary would make a great weblog--clickable footnotes, online feedback and all. So now he is serializing it daily, starting Jan 2, 1660, supposedly over the next ten years. The BBC has the backstory. I hope Gyford will deviate from Gutenberg's 1893 version to include some of Pepys's more outrageous sexual adventures, reduced by the 1893 version to "....""

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  1. blogs from history happen ... by HealYourChurchWebSit · · Score: 5, Interesting



    Via blogs4God I found "the Fathers of the Christian Church as well as a few other blog that basically take books, devotionals or diaries out of the past and post them blogs.

    I personally think this is a cool way to teach history. I'd like to see more of this on the high-school level as a means of familiarizing students with the great men and women of antiquity on a personal level.

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    1. Re:blogs from history happen ... by belloc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Depends on if you consider it to be history, or fantasy.

      He's talking about actual historical people here. What they believed in (religiously or politically) is another matter entirely. Surely you are not questioning the historicity of Clement of Rome or Gregory of Nyssa here? What's next, questioning the historical existence of Julius Caesar?

      And if you consider them to be "great men."

      Or are you just bashing them because they were Christians? Is that what you meant by "fantasy"?

      If that is the case, that would bring up an interesting follow-up point: say someone made a blog out of Caesar's "The Gallic Wars". Caesar believed in Roman gods, and his political scheme included murdering his enemies and their families to become Emporer of the World. Would you make some crack about "fantasy" in that case just because you don't believe in his religion or disagree with his politics?

      Belloc

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  2. Bloggus Caesari by dazed-n-confused · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not a diary as such, but this reminds me of the excellent Bloggus Caesari ("The Original Warblogger") - Julius Caesar's ruminations from Gaul, now in weblog form, a tad over two thousand years later.

  3. Same as it ever was by The+Llama+King · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I'm as big a fan of weblogs as anyone, I gotta say this just proves a point I've been making for a while ... there's not much really cutting edge about them. They're diaries that happen to have hyperlinks. The only reason they get read, I think, I is people like to look in other people's windows.

    And the view is a lot more interesting in some of those windows than others. Pepys lived a life that's a lot more interesting than almost anything today.

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    1. Re:Same as it ever was by mgaiman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But the difference between a standard blog and, for example, Pepys Diary, is the audience. Weblogs are meant to be viewed by anyway, by everyone.

      Pepys diary was encoded and the code wasn't even cracked until long after his death. This, you get a brutally honest portrayal of what actually happened. Whereas with blogs, basically people are just trying to prove how witty they can be.

  4. in the year 2300... by bje2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    maybe in the year 2300 someone will take the slashdot archives and start posting them daily to a web log...i wonder if people will get the "FP" and "In Soviet Russia" references...

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  5. Outrageous! by Spunk · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope Gyford will deviate from Gutenberg's 1893 version to include some of Pepys's more outrageous sexual adventures, reduced by the 1893 version to "....""

    Yes, the one thing the Internet lacks is sex.

    1. Re:Outrageous! by bgarcia · · Score: 5, Funny
      Yes, the one thing the Internet lacks is sex.
      I like monkeys.
      You really should be more careful about the sentence that comes right before your sig...
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    2. Re:Outrageous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You really should be more careful about the sentence that comes right before your sig...
      Or, the voices in my head could be wrong this time.


      Likewise. :)

  6. reduced to "...." by serps · · Score: 5, Funny
    I hope Gyford will deviate from Gutenberg's 1893 version to include some of Pepys's more outrageous sexual adventures, reduced by the 1893 version to "...."

    Oh, I don't know. I browse at -1: it's amazing what images can be evoked using only punctuation. :-)

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  7. mirror by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Jan 11, 1660: Not much happening today. Lost one o my kids in the bog.

    Jan 12, 1660: Damne bog ate my dog. Off to the pub for a pint.

    Jan 13, 1660: Walking back from the pub early this morn, almost fell into the bog.

    Jan 14, 1660: Good Lord.. the Mayor fell into the bog. Presumed lost. Kenny Axeblood wants to take over. 'Aye' I say.

    Jan 15, 1660: God hates our wee village; Kenny Axeblook walked into the bog and disappeared from our sight. We think it's that woman with the wart. Off to burn her.

    Jan 16, 1660: Burnt the witch and threw her remains into the bog.

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    1. Re:mirror by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > Jan 11, 1660: Not much happening today. Lost one o my kids in the bog.
      > Jan 12, 1660: Damne bog ate my dog. Off to the pub for a pint.
      > Jan 13, 1660: Walking back from the pub early this morn, almost fell into the bog.
      > Jan 14, 1660: Good Lord.. the Mayor fell into the bog. Presumed lost. Kenny Axeblood wants to take over. 'Aye' I say.
      > Jan 15, 1660: God hates our wee village; Kenny Axeblook walked into the bog and disappeared from our sight. We think it's that woman with the wart. Off to burn her.
      > Jan 16, 1660: Burnt the witch and threw her remains into the bog.

      Jan 17, 1660: 1) Elected new mayor in the bog. He fell into the bog before he could be sworn in. Burnt another witch. That witch burned down, fell over, and then sank into the bog, but the third witch stayed up!

      Jan 18, 1660: 2) In pagan Denmark, bogs fall into you!

      Jan 19, 1660: ...

      Jan 20, 1660: 3) ...geld!

  8. Neil Gaiman had this to say ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    (from his blog:)

    "The best thing about Pepys, I thought, when I read the diaries, some years ago, was watching him change, with the country, from the puritan days to the restoration -- watching him discover the theatre (to which he slowly becomes addicted), watching him grow and reinvent himself. The other best thing is that, confiding in a coded diary, he gradually becomes unutterably honest, and thus human, sometimes shockingly so."

    I thought you guys might be interested.

  9. Why is this an improvement? by KludgeGrrl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm all for folks reading the "great men" of the past (and the women too), but even after reading the BBC link I'm at a loss to see what makes this medium an improvement.

    Yes, you can read a little bit each day -- but is that not equally possible with a book (or even the online version of the diary)?

    Yes, people can add comments explaining the "archaic" English (according to the article), but should I trust these explanations? How many Samula Pepys experts will be following this, and how many yowzers?

    Blogs can be great tools, but I don't see how in this particular case the medium is especially useful. There's so much hype about technology improving learning, but after watching many a powerpoint presentation, I'm wary of too much hoopla with too little benefit.

    But hey, the internet really does need more blogs, so I guess a new one can only be a good thing ;)

  10. Haha by swagr · · Score: 5, Funny

    We're Slashdotting someone who's been dead for 300 years.

    Bet he didn't see that one coming.

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  11. Pronunciation by Tet · · Score: 4, Funny
    Samuel Pepys (1633-1703) (pronounced Peeps, as in marshmallow peeps)

    Was that really necessary? I mean, are there really people out there who don't know how to pronounce Pepys? Did you not learn anything at school? Sheesh!

    BTW, I haven't the faintest clue what marshmallow peeps are...

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    1. Re:Pronunciation by benzapp · · Score: 4, Informative

      BTW, I haven't the faintest clue what marshmallow peeps are...

      Thats too bad, because Just Born, the makers of Marshmallow Peeps have a great web page.

      Personally, Marshallow Peeps are delicious. They are a staple of every Easter morning. Unless of course you are a nasty heratic.

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  12. Re:Is this automated by fabius · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is (or soon will be) sem-automated. I have to copy and paste all the text from the Project Gutenberg file by hand. But having prepared these entries in advance, a handy bit of experimental perl will (fingers crossed) publish a new entry each day.

  13. "Peeps" pronuciation disputed by Pepys family... by wherley · · Score: 5, Informative

    Never argue with the Viscount Crowhurst, as according to the NYT 9/27/61:

    London, Sept. 26
    Members of the historic Pepys family said today they pronounce the name
    "Pepp-iss" not Peeps"
    On the other hand, the Encyclopedia Britannica asserts: "The name was
    pronounced in the seventeenth century and has always been pronounced by the
    family, 'Peeps.' " ...
    The discrepancy came to light when Lady Paulina Mary Louise Pepys faced
    a magistrate on a traffic charge. The magistrate, A.A. Pereira, pronounced
    it "Peeps."
    "Sorry," Lady Paulina said, "but it's Pepp-iss."
    The magistrate, thus corrected, then fined her two pounds.
    "Of course I'm related to Samuel Pepys, and if he called himself 'Peeps'
    he was the first member of the family to do so and none has done it since.
    I don't like it pronounced 'Peeps.' "
    The present head of the family is John Digby Thomas Pepys, the 7th Earl
    of Cottenham and the 10th Baronet Pepys. His secretary said:
    "I can assure you that Lord Cottenham pronounces it 'Pepp-iss' and so do
    his son, the Viscount Crowhurst"

  14. Another blog from the past by Astoundo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I worked on a similar project a few years back: the diary of a revolutionary-war era Maine midwife. No one thought to call it a blog, but that's basically what it is--along with some teaching tools (this was NEH-funded). It's called dohistory.org. A lot of her diary focuses pickling vegetables and birthin' babies, but there's some real drama too; she testified in a gang rape trial, and her husband went to jail (on unrelated tax charges).

  15. A more complete edition (still under copyright) by vaxer · · Score: 4, Informative

    The University of California's edition is fairly recent -- I'd imagine there wasn't much in the 1970s that could shock Californians. I'm guessing this edition is more complete, and I'm asking my public library for a copy of it. Here's hoping it's got fewer ellipses (and more eccentricity).

  16. "mi mano sub her jupes and toca su thigh" by EnlightenmentFan · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I admit to enjoying Pepys's sex tales, though I'm not so interested in his bowels. I also get a bang out of the polyglot mix of Spanish, French, and Latin he used to disguise these bits in case his wife figured out the rest of his shorthand.

    To quote a Boston Globe article, now available only in the Google cache:

    "Edited out until as recently as 1970 were the clumsy rolls beneath alehouse tables and the gropings in horse-drawn carriages, generally rendered in his unique personal porno style: 'and yo did take her, the first time in my life, sobra mi genu and poner mi mano sub her jupes and toca su thigh, which did hazer me great pleasure.' "

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  17. Re:a coupla points by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Two Towers film did not improve upon the book. Faramir is spinning in his grave.

    Uh... you are aware, right, that Lord of the Rings is not actually a history? Just to be clear: fictional character, never existed, not in grave. Okay?

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  18. Re:"Peeps" pronuciation disputed by Pepys family.. by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 4, Funny

    Members of the historic Pepys family said today they pronounce the name "Throat-wobbler Mangrove."

    In other news, hillbillies today said that they would prefer to be called "sons of the soil."

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  19. DMCA violation! by infolib · · Score: 4, Funny

    From http://www.studioproteus.com/mn9912news.html :

    His diary was written in a shorthand code called tachygraphy that was not deciphered until the 19th century. Pepys never expected the diary to be decoded and so wrote only for himself--the diary is brutally frank

    This is a clear example of DRM circumvention! Stop the terrorists! Now, where did i put my UAV?

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