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BSA To Join Battle Against DRM

Dunark writes "It appears that two of our favorite enemies are now at loggerheads with each other: According to The Inquirer, the Business Software Alliance has joined the fight against the Hollywood-backed attempt to legislate required DRM (the Hollings bill). Read about it in The Inquirer and also at Mercury News"

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  1. If we are lucky by Chrome-Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they will sue each other out of business, guess that's to much to ask for eh?

  2. In other news... by bwalling · · Score: 5, Funny

    North Korea is planning an attack on Iraq if they don't stop production of "weapons of mass destruction".

  3. Re:WHAT???????? by Gyan · · Score: 4, Informative

    "A flash of sanity for the BSA"

    Well, the BSA is controlled by the tech companies.

    So, if the techs go after **AA, it will be through the BSA and (maybe) individually.

    Hardly surprising.

  4. Obligatory BSA Joke by imadork · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This is great news! But we need Tech companies on our side, not the Boy Scouts!

    Seriously, though, I'm suprised to see Microsoft take this position, since they had the most to gain if this scheme takes off. After all, if you can only watch future movies on "approved" OS's, guess which ones will be approved and which ones won't!

  5. BSA is not the **AA?? by jackb_guppy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They both want the same thing. Control your desktop.

    The difference is the business model.

    **IA wants to control the media of distribution to protect their business model.

    BSA wants you to "break the law" with their software watching to charge you after the fact.

    You know penalities are "free" money.

    1. Re:BSA is not the **AA?? by Dunark · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm hoping that Congress does the obvious thing to benefit themselves: If they drag their feet, hem and haw, and otherwise prolong the legislative process, they get the maximum amount of campaign contributibtions from the opposed lobbying groups while doing what I want: Nothing.

  6. DRM seems strikingly familiar ... by SuperDuG · · Score: 5, Funny
    ... to a way to identify yourself legally to the one's in charge.

    Please don't mod this +1 funny, as it's not meant to be that way. I really do find strinkingly large simularities between the way the Nazi's do things and the way certain members of congress try to force the people that elected them to give up their rights. Just because "Rights" is one of the DRM words, doesn't make it right.

    I believe in Law that is for the people.

    please follow the links...

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    1. Re:DRM seems strikingly familiar ... by Artifex · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Just because "Rights" is one of the DRM words, doesn't make it right.


      Of course not. If you look at the names of lobbying organizations, you'll find a number of organizations that sound like they are environmentally-oriented but are, in fact, run by oil or other big industry concerns. Same with supposedly health-related lobbyists who really work for tobacco companies, etc. Heck, even "Greenpeace" seems a misnomer sometimes :)
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  7. heh by Iamthefallen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is like an American version of Godzilla vs. Mothra, 2 monsters in suits battling eachother in the courtroom, you're not quite sure who'll win, you're not quite sure you care, but you have to watch it and cheer them on.

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    1. Re:heh by Cyno01 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, and no matter who wins they'll have stomped half the city.

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      "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
  8. Don't be so supprised by Huogo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The BSA simply wants to do their own DRM, and dosn't want it mandated to them. If the RIAA/MPAA gets to choose the DRM, the BSA has to implement one that they might not like. If the BSA can implement their own DRM, they can charge royalties for using it, and they get to choose their own.

    1. Re:Don't be so supprised by azazeal386 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Very good on noticing this. The Hollings bill mandanted (as I recall) that the DRM solution be OPEN to the point that any manufacturer can implement it (usually, government chosen specs are patent-licensed to all, such as the Digital Signature Algorithm). RIAA wants cheap players so more people can watch movies. The BSA wants the PER-SALE fee to use their DRM solution (each DRM protected movie file you download a small amount goes into Microsoft's coffers).

  9. What fools we all have been! by azazeal386 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First, what the BSA wants is NOT less DRM, it is
    Market-Enforced DRM. You can only get your software,
    movies, music and what have you THROUGH their
    blessed Palladium.
    The reason they don't want Hollings bill is
    that it forces them to consider things that they
    otherwise wouldn't for economic reasons, for
    example fair use and expiration of copyrights, which
    would come into play IF the DRM solution was
    part of a law.

    So -- Remember. They are NOT anti-DRM, they just
    want to CONTROL the DRM. And it is a LOT more
    difficult for government to interfere with
    the private choices of individuals (you bought
    this hardware knowing it had DRM -- but you
    can't connect to your online banking otherwise and
    the $10/teller visit fees added up!)

  10. Excellent news! by ctid · · Score: 4, Funny

    My enemy's enemy is my ... Er wait a minute... I'll get back to you...

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  11. Obligatory MPlayerJoke by Artifex · · Score: 5, Insightful
    After all, if you can only watch future movies on "approved" OS's, guess which ones will be approved and which ones won't!

    I'm betting that within a week of Microsoft pushing a DRM implementation out to the public, there will probably be an mplayer patch with a couple downloadable DLLs that will do the whole thing. :)
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  12. BSA our enemy? by ultrabot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since when was BSA our enemy? Don't you realize that the more they force people to pay for proprietary software, the less the people are inclined to choose proprietary solution over a free beer one.

    I bet many companies are evaluating open source alternatives for their existing proprietary applications right now, because they might not have bought quite enough licenses to cover all their use. That wouldn't be the case if BSA was less aggressive.

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    1. Re:BSA our enemy? by Jerf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The BSA is our enemy because of their history of being jack-booted thugs, and using wild accusations and what boils down to vigilantism to accomplish their goals of ruining people's lives.

      They may cause people to move to open source but the collateral damage is too much.

    2. Re:BSA our enemy? by salesgeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The BSA serves a legitimate purpose... I just wish their tactics were less severe. I wish they would invest in teaching software producers how to value and price their products as much as the enforcement of license compliance.

      Incidentally, I've been a part of BSA enforcements before... and they treat the consumer much more fairly then they have to. At the end of the day, I'm just glad open source is gaining some momentum and the BSA will be unnecessary.

      $G

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  13. It is not supposed to work that way by Dada · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am I supposed to feel better because a lobbying group is working to undo the evil of another lobbying group?

    I'm no historian but I think the intent of the people who set up the USA Congress and other government organs was to enable the rule of the people for the common good. Now we see a group of corporations *buying* new laws for their own profit and the *only* thing that has the slightest chance of stopping them is another group of corporations who see a threat to their own bottom line.

    It might be nice to see bad laws failing to get enacted but if you believe that the BSA are acting for the good of the people you are very naive. They act for their own good *exclusively* and it is pure chance that in this instance it coincides with what is good for the general population (indeed, there are many examples of the same group working directly *against* the common good).

    So rejoice while you can but know this: you no longer have a say in the making of your own country's laws. Every time an expensive lobbying campaign is successful, it is one more battle lost for democracy; the exact legislative result is of little consequence.

  14. Re:mixed feelings... by Skjellifetti · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'It is a pity that our friends lie in between,' said Gimli. 'If no land divided BSA and RIAA, then they could fight while we watched and waited.'

    'The victor would emerge stronger than either, and free from doubt,' said Gandalf.

  15. DRM is at odds with BSA business model by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 4, Insightful
    BSA is not in business to STOP piracy; it exists to PROFIT from enforcing licensing terms via the courts, settlements, and threats of using same.

    DRM prevents piracy; who you going to sue, if no one can use software in violation of its license?

  16. Tom Petty's lyrics finally getting though? by NZheretic · · Score: 4, Interesting
    DRM to Hollywood and the RIAA is not about recovering lost profits from piracy, to them DRM is a means to recovering control over the selection and choices on offer to the consumer. Downloadable movies and music in DRM file formats can be set with a use-by date, and the publishers regain control of what is on offer to the public and for how long. Even CDs and DVDs could be given an effective use-by date.

    It's even more effective than establishing control over the radio playlists, something Tom Petty voiced in the lyrics to "The Last DJ".

    Well you can't turn him into a company man
    You can't turn him into a whore
    And the boys upstairs just don't understand anymore
    Well the top brass don't like him talking so much
    And he won't play what they say to play
    And he don't want to change what don't need to change
    And there goes the last DJ
    Who plays what he wants to play
    And says what he wants to say
    Hey, hey, hey
    And there goes your freedom of choice
    There goes the last human voice
    There goes the last DJ
    Well some folks say they're gonna hang him so high
    Because you just can't do what he did
    There's some things you just can't put in the minds of those kids
    As we celebrate mediocrity all the boys upstairs want to see
    How much you'll pay for what you used to get for free
    And there goes the last DJ
    Who plays what he wants to play
    And says what he wants to say
    Hey, hey, hey
    And there goes your freedom of choice
    There goes the last human voice
    And there goes the last DJ

    (Instrumental break)

    Well he got him a station down in Mexico
    And sometimes it will kinda come in
    And I'll bust a move and remember how it was back then
    There goes the last DJ
    Who plays what he wants to play
    And says what he wants to say
    Hey, hey, hey
    And there goes your freedom of choice
    There goes the last human voice
    And there goes the last DJ

  17. Of course. by base3 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    With strong DRM, there'd be no money to be made from protection rackets^W^W software audits and assessments of extortion money^W^W non-compliance fines.

    In fact, if a workable DRM scheme were possible, the raison d'être of the BSA, SPA, and similar criminal enterprises is completely kaput, vanished, gone, history . . . you get the idea. Additionally, their members would lose the mind share they currently gain from unlicensed use of their products.

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  18. The law in the U.S. has become corrupt. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Interesting


    The biggest friends of business are business men and women. The biggest enemies of business are ... business men and women. Slashdot articles have provided many examples of business people being self-destructive.

    The law in the U.S. has become corrupt, as this July 2002 article, linked at the bottom of the Inquirer article, says: Political contribution watch.

    I've done some research about how law is made in Oregon: Airplanes are safe, but laws often crash. (For those who live outside the U.S.: Oregon is a U.S. state.)

    Basically, it appears that the law in the U.S. is being driven by those who have a financial interest, not people who have the best interests of the country in mind.

  19. Re:So confusing! by rmohr02 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, Vader switched to good at the end of Jedi, but I don't think that's what's happening here.

  20. Microsoft doesn't mind DRM, really... by FireBreathingDog · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think the above poster is right about "voluntary" (i.e., industry-managed as opposed to legislatively-mandated) DRM with respect to Microsoft...

    Microsoft's DRM scheme serves as yet another way to lock people into their operating system by restricting the choice (of content) that is available to users of other operating systems.

    Think about it: if Microsoft is successful at convicing Hollywood that their content will only be safe on Microsoft Windows systems, then Hollywood will only produce content for Microsoft Windows systems.

    Microsoft may actually fear legislative attempts at creating DRM schemes, since those attempts would be much less likely to favor one OS over another.

  21. Just one Question by da_Den_man · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I read how the DRM is bad, and I agree. As a customer, I would not ever purchase something that limited MY USE of it.

    The BSA is an extortion racket of the worst kind, not so much as what they purport to do, but rather in their methods of DOING It. The same can be said about the RIAA, MPAA, and even so much in the aspect of DRM.

    Which brings me to my question: When did I become a CONSUMER as opposed to a CUSTOMER?????

    I have seen the trend in the computer and electronics industry from as far back as 1995 to state that I, as a user of a certain product, no longer have the right to Support of that product when it messes up, that I no longer have the right to ALTER the product that I PURCHASED with my Hard Earned CASH to make it NOT prevent me from using it in a way that prevents it from messing up other items, and NOW, the fact that if I DO alter, fix, repair, modify or explore that product that I as a CUSTOMER bought, I can and will be prosecuted.

    This is not the America I grew up in. This is not the America I swore to defend.

    Yes, I know....Welcome to Corporate America. Where wars are fought not to win, but only to deplete the ever standing supply.

    The mantra has gone from "This we'll defend" to "You better BUY it NOW!!"

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  22. Re:WHAT???????? by schlach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously. The BSA isn't the Gestapo or something. They don't set their agenda to 'Evil'. They are the attack dogs of a lot of companies interested in making money. When they think they're losing money from piracy, the BSA kicks down some doors at the public schools. When they think they're losing money from bad legislation, the BSA politely and sweetly whispers soothing words of influence and control to our lords and masters.

    The goal is the same: make money.

    Tactics might be different, but who really thinks you make as many friends in Congress by kicking down their doors as you do at public schools? ; )

  23. When they harass open-source shops by bee · · Score: 5, Informative

    There have been numerous reports of the BSA harassing Unix or open-source shops out of ignorance/malice (choose one) because they have the mentality that all PCs run Windows. Businesses have been destroyed because of them.

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  24. Re:Special PAY PER VIEW EVENT! by Tadghe · · Score: 4, Funny

    > I say we put the two sides in a steel cage, maybe with some
    > pichforks and chainsaws. Two go in, one comes out.

    Might I add, that we'd need to keep a shotgun handy to deal with the winner.....

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