The Real Key is People....
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airrage
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· Score: 4, Insightful
I think every major corporation has some sort of data-mining, and I find that there is a gap between the data (even scrubbed) and the person who needs to make the decisions. Also, the article suggests, that CRM is a subset of data-mining. In reality, it's the other way around, or completely unrelated, or both, unless I read that sentence wrong.
Chao
-- "This isn't a study in computer science, its a study in human behavior"
you'd be amazed...
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inode_buddha
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· Score: 4, Funny
at how powerful data mining tecniques can be. Why, just today I have recieved 3 more "Nigerian" mails, an offer to increase my bust size (I'm a guy), and an excellent credit report from 5 different, unheard-of companies...
Of course, the local supermarket cannot accept my personal check for groceries without their "discount card", never mind that it was *their* database admins who lost my account after a few weeks...
(er, yeah right, and my driver's licence and birth certificate aren't worth as much as their card ??)
Ggrrrrrrr......
-- C|N>K
Data Mining Briefly Explained
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hdparm
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· Score: 4, Funny
Interesting article, but this is something that has been happening and will continue to.
Technology being put to use to seek out enemies of the state for the world governments is nothing new.
Atleast it is a good thing that companies are making good money in the process. Your privacy? That was lost long ago.
It was only a matter of time before this happened. Atleast be glad that we've not yet reached the stage where they'd bother having your entire genome sequence to create solutions and replacements for you:-)
Perhaps the author of the article has just read Cryptonomicon or something.
Get over it, companies will track you, governments will monitor it. And there will be people who will beat both, and people who will be susceptible to both. Unfortunate, but hey, paranoia does not help either.
Atleast it is a good thing that companies are making good money in the process. Your privacy? That was lost long ago.
Oh, the irony.
They call themselves patriotic, and yet they're supplying the very means that are slowly turning the U.S. into a police state. Sorry, but I seriously doubt that this is what the U.S. founders had in mind, and it's certainly not the reason that U.S. war veterans both risked and sacrificed their lives. Patriots aren't sheep that blindly follow the government, they are the ones who fight to maintain the fundamental (constitutional) precepts upon which the United States were built.
Reminds me of...
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gpinzone
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· Score: 5, Interesting
...how the Bayesian spam filters operate (on a much smaller scale). They find predictors of "spam" like these guys find predictors of "terrorists."
If the false positives of this system finding terrorists are as low as the ones that identify spam, is it really unreasonable to consider that probable cause for an investigation? At least, until the 0.000001% slips by and causes a lawsuit for wrongful arrest.
Re:Reminds me of...
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gpinzone
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Yes, but remember that the current methods aren't much better. I mean, right now there's lots of complaints about how the USA is racially profiling Middle Eastern men. Whether or not this profiling is justified could be based on a report of such a filter.
The issue isn't whether or not we should use data mining to profile individuals or groups. Profilling will occur no matter what. What these methods do are help find parameters that more accurately identify candidates rather than just assume all Middle Easterners are automatically guilty until proven otherwise.
profiteering?
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SHEENmaster
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Today, however, companies that excel in connecting the data dots are finding a lifeline in a customer whose IT ineptitude is matched only by its means: the U.S. government, which will spend $53 billion on information technology this year. The Federal Government's inability to share and analyze information became clear in the months after the 9/11 attacks.
While I want argue against the governments inability to do anything but waste money, I do think that these "anti-terrorism" dealies are going too far. We know that they are spending $53 billion on information technology. When they spend it on a hammer or a toilet seat I know that something is getting done, but "information technology" makes me suspicious.
Granted my opinion is largely a result of window flags selling in excess of twenty dollars and not hearing the results of such spending. In fact, I haven't heard of a single terrorist act averted since 9/11. It couldn't hurt to inform us when the spending pays off; could it?
Is this information actually getting results, or is it just profiteering of the corporations that we so love to slander and libel?
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Already used in mineral exploration
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core+plexus
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· Score: 4, Informative
We've been using data mining in mineral exploration for quite some time now, and it really helps given the tremendous volums of data generated from modern geophysical, geochemical, and geological exploration.
Imagine a beowulf cluster of these things!....mining...data... yeah.
In Soviet Russia, data mines YOU!
It's official, Data Mining is DEAD. You don't have to be Kreskin to figure it out.
Hey! I just found this site all about data mining here!!!!!
Come on, really, is this News for Nerds or Stuff That Matters?
You could probably use data mining to determine how many hot grits Natalie Portman actually eats.
Alright. That should do it. Carry on with the discussion.
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Open Source DateMining!
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cosmosis
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· Score: 4, Interesting
Ok, I've been annoyed for years at the disparity between corporations and customers in who knows what about who. I think its time someone came up with a P2p, open source, reputation system in which we can turn the lens of datamining back on them. Technologies like Cuejack combined with the efforts of groups like Transparency International, can help bring about Participitory Capitalism.
Data Mining as used by Colombian Drug Cartels ...
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 4, Interesting
Here is a real life story about data mining and its potential for brutal consequences. This was a very early application. Those who were fingered were killed. Of course, they adopted our new (lack of) due process rules a decade ago...
Objection to the numbers
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rootmonkey
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· Score: 4, Informative
The article use NASDAQ as an example of having to process terabytes of data on a daily basis and the data mining software can help filter things out. The software may be useful but NASDAQ does not process terabytes per day of incoming data. I work in the market data industry and we take exchange feeds from around the world including NASDAQ and we don't process close to that much. OPRA (options) have the most data per day and that is only in the order of tens of GB range.
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Uber Loyalty Card in the UK (Nectar)
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Boss,+Pointy+Haired
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· Score: 5, Insightful
Three large British retail companies have recently created a joint loyalty card.
Nectar has been set-up by Sainsbury's (a supermarket), Barclays (a financial services company) and BP (a petrol filling station company).
I didn't mind Sainsbury's knowing that I eat junk, but now that they're telling Barclays what junk I eat I end up with Barclays putting my life insurance premiums up.
At the end of the article, it mentions data mining helping to catch the DC snipers. Whoooooooa.
The cops had profiled a white male Christian terrorist, and that's all they were looking for. You didn't catch the article, but the real perps were stopped **10** times at roadblocks, they were in custody that many times.
And they were let go, their skin color contradicted what the data mining told them. They weren't caught until a Maryland state trooper leaked the license plate, then a trucker at a rest stop made the collar.
Data mining won't solve the stupidity of leaders like Chief Moose.
Plots that have been averted...
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MyNameIsFred
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...I haven't heard of a single terrorist act averted since 9/11...
You haven't been paying much attention to the news have you. Let's see, we had the plot to attack ships in the Straits of Gilbrater that was averted, the possibly overblown Jose Padilla - Dirty Bomb case, and the capture of key operatives such as Abu Zubaydah, which surely put a dent in al-Qaida's plans.
Frankly the problem is attacks such as the Twin Towers are always going to stick in your mind more than a brief news report that Abu Zubaydah was captured. Also there is always more skepticism that capturing some guy actually averted a plot -- see Jose Padilla. We will never know whether he would have actually done something. There will always be second guessing on whether a plot was really averted.
The Beast
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macdaddy357
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· Score: 3, Interesting
Does this data mining stuff remind anyone of the old urban legend about "The Beast?" A super computer in Antwerp of Brussels that knows everythin about everyone? Is that idea still as ridiculous as it was back in the day?
-- How ya like dat?
Sauron commands you
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SHEENmaster
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· Score: 3, Funny
to murder all Harry Potter fans!
-- You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Slashdot Mirror
I think every major corporation has some sort of data-mining, and I find that there is a gap between the data (even scrubbed) and the person who needs to make the decisions. Also, the article suggests, that CRM is a subset of data-mining. In reality, it's the other way around, or completely unrelated, or both, unless I read that sentence wrong.
Chao
"This isn't a study in computer science, its a study in human behavior"
at how powerful data mining tecniques can be. Why, just today I have recieved 3 more "Nigerian" mails, an offer to increase my bust size (I'm a guy), and an excellent credit report from 5 different, unheard-of companies...
Of course, the local supermarket cannot accept my personal check for groceries without their "discount card", never mind that it was *their* database admins who lost my account after a few weeks...
(er, yeah right, and my driver's licence and birth certificate aren't worth as much as their card ??)
Ggrrrrrrr......
C|N>K
1. Collect data
2. Do some mining
3. ???
4. Profit!
Interesting article, but this is something that has been happening and will continue to.
:-)
Technology being put to use to seek out enemies of the state for the world governments is nothing new.
Atleast it is a good thing that companies are making good money in the process. Your privacy? That was lost long ago.
It was only a matter of time before this happened. Atleast be glad that we've not yet reached the stage where they'd bother having your entire genome sequence to create solutions and replacements for you
Perhaps the author of the article has just read Cryptonomicon or something.
Get over it, companies will track you, governments will monitor it. And there will be people who will beat both, and people who will be susceptible to both. Unfortunate, but hey, paranoia does not help either.
And oh, first post?
...how the Bayesian spam filters operate (on a much smaller scale). They find predictors of "spam" like these guys find predictors of "terrorists."
If the false positives of this system finding terrorists are as low as the ones that identify spam, is it really unreasonable to consider that probable cause for an investigation? At least, until the 0.000001% slips by and causes a lawsuit for wrongful arrest.
Today, however, companies that excel in connecting the data dots are finding a lifeline in a customer whose IT ineptitude is matched only by its means: the U.S. government, which will spend $53 billion on information technology this year. The Federal Government's inability to share and analyze information became clear in the months after the 9/11 attacks.
While I want argue against the governments inability to do anything but waste money, I do think that these "anti-terrorism" dealies are going too far. We know that they are spending $53 billion on information technology. When they spend it on a hammer or a toilet seat I know that something is getting done, but "information technology" makes me suspicious.
Granted my opinion is largely a result of window flags selling in excess of twenty dollars and not hearing the results of such spending. In fact, I haven't heard of a single terrorist act averted since 9/11. It couldn't hurt to inform us when the spending pays off; could it?
Is this information actually getting results, or is it just profiteering of the corporations that we so love to slander and libel?
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
dunno 'bout any one else, but I don't care for all the ads...
Print Link
Sometimes people just have to learn and adapt to change, it is one of the requirements of being a living thing.
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You may want to read this book and see it yourself whether data mining would make a breakthrough in the future.
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Ok let's get this out of our system now:
Imagine a beowulf cluster of these things!....mining...data... yeah.
In Soviet Russia, data mines YOU!
It's official, Data Mining is DEAD. You don't have to be Kreskin to figure it out.
Hey! I just found this site all about data mining here!!!!!
Come on, really, is this News for Nerds or Stuff That Matters?
You could probably use data mining to determine how many hot grits Natalie Portman actually eats.
Alright. That should do it. Carry on with the discussion.
NO CARRIER
Ok, I've been annoyed for years at the disparity between corporations and customers in who knows what about who. I think its time someone came up with a P2p, open source, reputation system in which we can turn the lens of datamining back on them. Technologies like Cuejack combined with the efforts of groups like Transparency International, can help bring about Participitory Capitalism.
Power to the people!
Planet P Blog - Liberty with Technology.
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Here is a real life story about data mining and its potential for brutal consequences. This was a very early application. Those who were fingered were killed. Of course, they adopted our new (lack of) due process rules a decade ago...
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http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,41
The article use NASDAQ as an example of having to process terabytes of data on a daily basis and the data mining software can help filter things out. The software may be useful but NASDAQ does not process terabytes per day of incoming data. I work in the market data industry and we take exchange feeds from around the world including NASDAQ and we don't process close to that much. OPRA (options) have the most data per day and that is only in the order of tens of GB range.
Yes but every time I try to see it your way, I get a headache.
Three large British retail companies have recently created a joint loyalty card.
Nectar has been set-up by Sainsbury's (a supermarket), Barclays (a financial services company) and BP (a petrol filling station company).
I didn't mind Sainsbury's knowing that I eat junk, but now that they're telling Barclays what junk I eat I end up with Barclays putting my life insurance premiums up.
Interesting stuff.
At the end of the article, it mentions data mining helping to catch the DC snipers. Whoooooooa.
The cops had profiled a white male Christian terrorist, and that's all they were looking for. You didn't catch the article, but the real perps were stopped **10** times at roadblocks, they were in custody that many times.
And they were let go, their skin color contradicted what the data mining told them. They weren't caught until a Maryland state trooper leaked the license plate, then a trucker at a rest stop made the collar.
Data mining won't solve the stupidity of leaders like Chief Moose.
Frankly the problem is attacks such as the Twin Towers are always going to stick in your mind more than a brief news report that Abu Zubaydah was captured. Also there is always more skepticism that capturing some guy actually averted a plot -- see Jose Padilla. We will never know whether he would have actually done something. There will always be second guessing on whether a plot was really averted.
Does this data mining stuff remind anyone of the old urban legend about "The Beast?" A super computer in Antwerp of Brussels that knows everythin about everyone? Is that idea still as ridiculous as it was back in the day?
How ya like dat?
to murder all Harry Potter fans!
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
..and six other dwarfs grab are pickaxes, and lanterns, and go to the data mines.
those 1's and 0' can be tricky..
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