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The Borderlands Of Science

john writes "What I'm looking for is a detailed users' manual for a Baloney Detection Kit (as Carl Sagan called it.) I'd hoped to find this in one of Shermer's previous works, Why People Believe Weird Things, and I'd hoped to find it here. In both cases, the first part of the book did exactly this, but somewhere along the way it turned into case studies of debunking, rather than the process of debunking. (That's okay: they're well-written.)" Read on for john's review of The Borderlands of Science. The Borderlands Of Science: Where Sense Meets Nonsense author Michael Shermer pages 360 publisher Oxford University Press rating 7 reviewer john ISBN 0195157982 summary Explaining belief in things that seem silly.

Michael Shermer's background is psychology and ultra-long-distance cycling; he's written a number of books on cycling and analysis of (and refutation of) Holocaust deniers. He's also president (apparently for life) of the American Skeptics society and a reasonably good writer. In this book, Shermer spends a lot of time talking about the scientific method, its strengths and potential flaws -- and, more importantly, its system for dealing with its flaws (which he claims "sets science apart from all other knowledge systems and intellectual disciplines" -- a heady claim I wish he discussed more).

Since this is supposed to be a review of The Borderlands Of Science and not Weird Things, I'll just say that if you like one, you'll like the other as well. In Borderlands, Shermer analyzes beliefs that are defensible, beliefs that could (or were once thought to) be scientifically accurate. Among these are, for instance, ramifications of cloning, confirmation bias in explaining racial differences in sports (about which Malcolm Gladwell has also written), and a whole, whole lot of discussion of Alfred Wallace. Wallace and Charles Darwin were both responsible for the theory of evolution. Wallace is not remembered as widely for a number of reasons, which are explored in frightening detail in roughly three and a half of the 16 chapters of this book. Not coincidentally, Shermer did his doctoral thesis on Wallace. The ratio of stuff-about-Wallace-or-Evolution to everything-else, by chapter, is 3:7; Shermer is pretty focussed on this specific discussion.

The book has four sections: a short introduction (which is quite heavy in skeptical theory, exactly what I wanted) and the main body, discussing borderlands theories, people, and history. In "Theories," Shermer tends to stray a little from 'why people believe weird things' into 'why stupid people believe weird things' (as he did in the book of the same title) and that's fun. He covers a lot of quite current topics (like cloning, Wacky Unified Field Theories, and the importance of Punctured Equilibrium in the evolution of evolutionary theory).

In section two, "People," he discusses the Copernican revolution and its effects, then goes off about Alfred Wallace. Here, he does something weird that needs more discussion. In analyzing Wallace, he constructs a psychological profile, which he derived by having a large number of Wallace experts fill out a survey of the "strongly agree, 9, 8,.. 3, 2, strongly disagree" sort, and then uses the results of these surveys to fill in his discussion of why Wallace became a scientific spiritualist, for instance. It's an interesting technique that he also uses with Steven Jay Gould and Carl Sagan. It is tempting to ask how much confirmation bias exists in a survey of this sort, though. Since I've already let the spoiler out of the bag, Shermer discusses Gould and Sagan, spends some time doing a statistical analysis of Sagan's greatness as a scientist (by comparing published papers by topic with a number of other contemporary, canonically great scientists) and pauses briefly to smack Freud upside the head in a somewhat snarky comparison of Freud and Darwin.

Finally, in section three, "Histories," he does a lovely discussion of the myth of pastoral tranquillity, including a quick summary of four ancient civilizations that probably managed to destroy themselves through environmental stupidity without (as he puts it) any need of Dead White European Males coming in and inflicting devastation from outside. Shermer then analyzes (and debunks) the theory of transcendent genius, the Mozart Myth, as he calls it, and goes back to two more chapters on Wallace and evolution, in a discussion of the Piltdown Man hoax and why that should have (but doesn't seem to have) supported the idea that science can be self-correcting and learn from its mistakes.

I like what Shermer is doing, and he writes well and readably. If I sound a bit impatient, it's because I want him to be writing about the application of critical thinking rather than case studies, and when he starts out writing just what I want to read, then goes off in a different direction, he leaves me standing at the intersection saying "hey, wait, this isn't the bus I wanted." The book could stand to be either edited down into two books (a Wallace analysis, and a case-studies book on how science inspects itself), or edited up with a clearer discussion of the math involved in his statistical analysis of Sagan or his psychological profiling of people.

In the end, I liked this book, I learned a fair bit from it, and I would recommend it to people who want to learn more about both critical thinking and science history.

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  1. I'd also recommend by k98sven · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Flim-flam!" or just about anything by James Randi (the guy who exposed Uri Geller),
    he's a magician, not a scientist and has a good sense of humor.

    (Also don't miss out on his $1 million dollar prize or his weekly newsletter on what the kranks are up to..)

    1. Re:I'd also recommend by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One interesting item: the Amazing Randi tried to expose some religous scams (Most prominent being the Peter Popov crusade using wireless bug-in-the-ear so his wife to send him 'revelations' about people looking for healing) - but when he took them to court, the courts decided it was protected by 'separation of church and state'! What the court said essentially was if a minister rips off people it's something the state can't get involved in! Amazing.

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  2. Hmm.. interesting by Maeryk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to subscribe to (and read) the Skeptic Observer at one point. It was interesting.. but I think in some cases the dyed in the wool "skeptics" swing too far on the other side. Yes, the majority of them are anti religion, anti creation, anti anything that cannot be proven, but if you extrapolate a bit, you realize (or I realize, anyway, YMMV) that its very very subjective.

    100 years ago they would not have believed aspirin works. (Heck.. medical science STILL cant tell you _why_ it works, just that it does.)

    1000 years ago, they probably would not have believed in Lions or a round earth or some magical force that cannot be explained like gravity.. but they all exist.

    I worry about anyone who feels the need to debunk and be skeptic just because.. faith is somewhat required in daily life, even if it is faith in the traction of your tires while going around a corner. And the fact that we keep finding scientific reasons for things that have been based on "faith" in the past works both ways.

    Just my opinion, though far from humble.

    Maeryk

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    Feminine Protection? What is that? A chartreuse flame thrower?
    1. Re:Hmm.. interesting by RinkRat · · Score: 5, Insightful
      1000 years ago, they probably would not have believed in Lions or a round earth or some magical force that cannot be explained like gravity.. but they all exist.

      Jee-e-e-bus. Seriously. Let me add that they would have also not believed in dragons, griffins, or Invisible Pink Unicorns.

      As a self-professed Skeptic, I have to say that the thing that I utter the most often is "I don't know. And you know what? Neither do you." So many people believe in so many things without any sort of examination, it boggles the mind.

      Sure there are cranks, but there are cranks everywhere, with everything. Don't turn into a sheep simply because you disagree with the hardliners.

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      RinkRat
    2. Re:Hmm.. interesting by crawling_chaos · · Score: 5, Informative
      Heck.. medical science STILL cant tell you _why_ it works, just that it does.

      Urban legend. Try googling "How Aspirin works" The entire line of COX-2 inhibitors came about because someone finally did figure out aspirin works a couple of decades ago. Before that time, there wasn't much need to. Aspirin was on the FDA's GRAS list, so it was not a big candidate for major research dollars.

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      You can only drink 30 or 40 glasses of beer a day, no matter how rich you are.
      -- Colonel Adolphus Busch
    3. Re:Hmm.. interesting by Maeryk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a self-professed Skeptic, I have to say that the thing that I utter the most often is "I don't know. And you know what? Neither do you." So many people believe in so many things without any sort of examination, it boggles the mind.

      Certainly! I agree 100%. Now, I must admit, Im a member of a rather large religion. So Faith has a good amount of sway in my life. But what it boils down to is proof.. what I consider proof may not be what you consider proof. So it is *still* rather subjective.

      A lot of my opinions on this sort of thing have been formed in a sort of reverse way. I belong (and have for 10 years) to a group that does medieval recreation.. and in just 10 years, the amount of things "discovered" (re-discovered, really) from that period has changed the way a lot of people look at it. Things that 10 years ago "did not exist" have been found, mostly intact, and have changed some of the theories about life back then (tm) and how people went about it.

      This, of course, doesnt stop school textbooks from claiming that "castles didnt have windows" and "houses were drafty all the time because they didnt have glass" (both of which are untrue for most of the middle ages.. just because they didnt have glass doesnt mean they didnt have wooden shutters or thick paper or a number of other solutions, and they also _did_ have glass for a pretty good amount of the later period.)

      But any time someone states something as "concrete" either A) exists or B) doesnt exist
      without having some form of proof one way or the other, (and absence of proof does not neccesarily mean absense of existance.. which seems to be the rule a lot of the "debunkers" run on, at least the hard line ones), I tend to take exactly the same attitude you stated above. "I dont know and neither do you."

      Maeryk

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    4. Re:Hmm.. interesting by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >> 1000 years ago, they probably would not have believed in Lions or a round earth or some magical force that cannot be explained like gravity.. but they all exist.

      Skeptics in history like Gallileo and Copernicus who didn't want to believe in a flat Earth, around which the Sun revolved, just because thats what religion told them to do.

      Most of what we know was only learned because someone said "prove it"

      The skeptic is once again playing an increasingly important role in the TV age.

      Watch any of the 'educational' commercial channels (Discovery, TLC, Science) and see the 'documentaries' on complete horse-pooey like ghost-hunting, bigfoot, loch ness monsters, ufos. The amount of air-time this stuff gets is enormous, because it's entertaining. But people are buying it - people think this is science.

      Having someone pop up and remind us that it's all fantasy, theory and unproven is healthy for our society.

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    5. Re:Hmm.. interesting by PD · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A skeptic IMO is just someone who doubts the veracity of a popular opinion just because it's a popular opinion, and sets about disproving it.

      Wrong, completely wrong. A skeptic is the very definition of an open mind. Many laugh, but that's just because they don't understand the difference between an open mind and an uncritical mind.

      I will explain:

      A skeptic is one who accepts no statment without reason (evidence, backing, logic) to support it. The skeptic never needs to disprove anything, because the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. Once the claim is demonstrated or proven to the skeptics' satisfaction, then the skeptic has no choice to accept it.

      The person with a close mind might appear to be a skeptic at first glance, but after the claims and closed-minded person's objections have all been addressed, the closed minded person will still refuse to accept something. Think of it like an issues list on a project. After the work is done and the issues are resolved, the project should be done. When proving your claim to a skeptic, all the issues have to be resolved and closed. If your debate partner acknowleges that all his questions have been answered, yet still refuses to believe, that's a signal that the person might be closed minded.

      Never confuse a closed mind with a skeptical one. And never confuse an open mind with a credulous one.

    6. Re:Hmm.. interesting by karlandtanya · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "I Don't Know"

      Those are the hardest words for many people to say. For many (a majority, I believe) of, the place where "I Don't Know" is kept is a very scary place. Most people will grasp any idea that comes along just so they can cram it into that empty place.

      Witness the common "Well, do you have a better explanation?" argument. Amazingly, this argument is convincing to many otherwise reasonable people!

      "I Don't Know". Cherish it. Consider your understanding of your world a project. "I Don't Know" is your TODO list.

      Here's a couple of my favorites. The first is from Indiana Jones The Last Crusade. I don't know where the second is from:

      Indy: ... the search for fact. Not truth. If it's truth you're interested in, Doctor Tyree's Philosophy class is right down the hall.

      The man who knows and knows he knows is wise. Follow him.

      The man who knows not and knows he knows not is ignorant. Teach him.

      The man who knows not and knows not he knows not is a fool. Shun him.

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      "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
    7. Re:Hmm.. interesting by MrGrendel · · Score: 5, Informative
      You've never studied Buddhism, have you? What you describe as Buddhism is a movement called Pure-Land Buddhism and is in no way representitive of Buddhism in general. It's popular in some places but conflicts with classical Buddhist thought. Traditional Buddhists are not concerned with heaven, gods, spirits or anything even close to those concepts. They suspend judgement on whether or not those things exist because even if they did, they are completely irrelavent to what the Buddhist is trying to accomplish (reaching Nirvana). The supernatural is simply not something worth thinking about. There is a well-known suttra on this subject called Questions Which Tend no Toward Eddification. Westerners have a difficult time understanding the concept of Nirvana. They want to associate with heaven, negation of emotion, or some other simple concept. Understanding the concept requires an understanding of the logical dialectic that Buddhist philosophy is based on. Western philosophy and thought is based on an Aristotelian dialectic which is distinctly different than dialectics used in other philosophies. No dialectic can be shown to be more or less valid or correct than another. They all lead to self-contradictions if followed strictly.

      What Buddhists are interested in is ending personal suffering, or rather becoming dissociated with the causes of suffering. That is the basis of Buddhist philosophy and is the entire purpose of the religion and system of beliefs. It is internal and scientific (yes, scientific). Many of the concepts and recent findings of modern psychology were known to Buddhists thousands of years ago because they thought about the mind and behavior in a scientific way. Evidence is required for all beliefs. The Dali Lama has even stated that elements of classical Buddhism should be abandoned if science disproves them. Buddhists are not threatened by science, they embrace it. BTW, Buddhists have been teaching that you rot when you die for a very long time. Buddhist reincarnation is not what you think it is.

      Please learn something about a philosophy before you disparage it.

    8. Re:Hmm.. interesting by rossifer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The scientific community doesn't have that many axioms (And I'm finding it hard pressed to think of any good example).

      I exist. The universe exists in the same sense that I exist. Observations of phenomena are valid within the limitations of the apparatus making those observations.

      The first statement is provable. The last two can not be proven but can be assumed to be correct based on incomplete information. Based on all three, you can build up a set of knowledge magnificent in scope and majestic in wonder about the universe and your place in it.

      Without these statements as fundamentals, however, you have only the existentialist quandry (I can only prove that I exist so there is no purpose in a discussion of anything more). Even so, they are not accepted on faith. Your senses return information to your conciousness that can, with sufficient careful observation, be determined to be consistent and therefore useful. The utility of your sensory observations further provides a basis for future trust of those senses (within their limitations) and additional exploration of the universe around you.

      Religionists would have us believe that accepting these two statements on incomplete evidence is the same as accepting statements as true that have no (absolutely none) supporting evidence. Such a conclusion is clearly incorrect and indicates a complete lack of comprehension of what knowledge really is. If you choose to believe in statements that have no evidence, you will not harm me and I will raise no objection. But don't claim that everyone does the same because it just isn't true.

      Regards,
      Ross

  3. Punctuated NOT Punctured by D3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The theory that sometimes evolution happens in spurts as opposed to slow gradual change is Punctuated Equilibrium, not Punctured Equilibrium. I used to be a Molcular Biologist.

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    Do really dense people warp space more than others?
  4. Bogusity detection: All of the simple rules fail by HiThere · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Knowledge is fractal, and domain specific. Can something be in two places at once? Well, yes-no. It depends on the domain. If it's an electron, the answer seems to be sort-of "yes, if you can't see it in mid process".

    People who are certain are a large part of the problem. WHENEVER you are certain, you've made a mistake. You may have mistaken a high probability value for truth (which usually works quite well), but you've made a mistake.

    That said, there are definitely a lot of scams out there. If something looks unreasonable, then you need to insist on a higher degree of proof than if it seems reasonable. In either case you may be wrong. But it's better to live with the knowledge that you may be wrong than to fool yourself into certainty.

    And also, much knowledge is time-bound. When I was a kid the idea of people going to the moon in my lifetime was laughed at. Now what they laugh at is the idea of people going back to the moon. But they are laughing for very different reasons, and in a very different way. (I happen to think that the second group of people is as wrong as the first, but it looks like it will be China or Japan that proves this.)

    If something contradicts experience, then it may be either wrong, or misunderstood. Don't doubt your experience, even though you KNOW you left your sock on top of the dresser, and then it wasn't there. (I tend to model this [humorously] as parallel universe slippage.) Your memories of your personal experiences are all that you have to work with. But doubting that you understood what you saw is quite reasonable. And doubting the truth of what you were told is quite reasonable.

    Telepathy... I have not seen either a proof or a disproof that met my standards. I also have a lot of trouble with defining it. E.g.: If I were to have an implanted cell phone that operated by direct neural connection, and someone else had a corresponding model, would this be telepathy? If so, then it's just a few years away. But the crucial point here is that I don't see any reason to decide. And I don't see any way to decide in general, though certain special cases are decideable. Of course, an existence proof would be a "sort-of" proof. But one might wonder exactly what was prooved. I saw one claim that there was a repeatable experiment that could transmit about one bit per day via telepathic channels... I never bothered to investigate this much, but 1) special setup was required (e.g., isolation rooms for both the sender and the receiver, and the willingness of both of them to be confined for the months that the test message required). and 2) it didn't seem useful for anything short of interstellar messaging, presuming that it would work in that situation (HAH!). So it may be true but worthless. (So much is.)

    Also, something doesn't have to be valid to be useful. Newton's mechanics are known to be false. But that's what NASA uses for orbital calculations.

    Of course, Newton's mechanics are exactly bogus... but then what does bogus mean, precisely?

    etc.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  5. Additional resources by artch · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fred Cohen (of the Deception Toolkit fame, http://all.net) offered the following suggestions in a posting to RISKS-22.44.

    "... If you are studying criminal behavior, reading books by crooks is probably a good idea. But if you want to know about cons, far better books are:

    "Flim-Flam" by James Randi
    "Scam School" by Chuck Whitlock
    and "Rip-Off" by Fay Faron

    All three are by legitimate researchers who present results taken from scores to hundreds of incidents and present how and why scams work, the
    techniques used, the different plots, and so forth. They present many excellent examples of how these sorts of crimes work, how they impact
    the victims, the psychology of the criminals, and so forth.

    [snip]"

  6. This quagmire... by karmawarrior · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Discussions of who to believe usually end up being centered around personalities together with ideological constraints. This seems to affect most areas of thought, be it political, social, economic, or scientific. The importance of religion in people's lives has lead, for example, to the rise of "creation science" and other similar theories of life's existance built to attempt to link religious beliefs to something more concrete. Similarly, hard evidence about global warming is being challenged from those who are concerned about the economics of dealing with the problem, on every level from those who challenge the solutions, through those who challenge the reasons, to those who even challenge the suggestion that global warming exists. Equally, those who see the progress of development as itself damaging see evidence of global warming as a way of reasoning for a movement against development.

    Ultimately, these theories gain respectability in large part due to the people backing them, and a desire to look at the world through a desire to achieve particular goals. This is no surprise but it does limit critical thought. Critical thought is in many ways impossible without trustworthy evidence, and a desire by a majority to look at evidence critically, but this leads to a conundrum - where do you start believing? If contrary evidence exists, who do you trust? Is there time in the universe to actually examine every claim critically, or examine every piece of evidence? Is it surprising people lock themselves into belief systems and attempt to examine only that that is related to that system?

    Skewing this problem further is the not insignificant fact that people's perspectives are shaped by the evidence provided to them and their educations. This begins at school age, where any number of factors may skew how a person develops their own belief systems. State education is dying in the US, and many would argue that such schooling is unduly influenced by governmental factors. Private education however, creates equal and opposite horrors, with parents likely to choose schools that promote their own belief systems and hang-ups, and such schools looking more attractive than those that at least make an attempt to promote critical thought. And a parent's choice is only part of the problem, a school that is inherently designed to promote a specific belief system will attempt to promote itself to a wide range of groups; this leads to a situation where a relatively small number of groups can encourage particular ideologies and ways of looking at the world.

    It doesn't stop at schooling. An explosion of information sources, and a lack of accountability where TV networks, publications, and other heavily promoted sources of information have become little more than pulpits for what the proprieters believe is a reasonable balance between the views they wish to express and what the public will stand, has lead to a situation where a huge amount of information presented is unfair, inaccurate, and promotional of particular belief systems. As competition has increased, quality has decreased. A "liberal", ie largely accurate, fair and balanced, media has become used to promoting views of the world that fit a less liberal agenda, lead by Fox, and groups playing catch-up to Fox's brand of popular illiberalism.

    Belief systems feed off belief systems. Critical thought takes a back seat as assumptions become treated as facts, and the sheer volume of dubious and inaccurate information wieghts so heavily that more accurate pictures of the world look less and less likely. People believe because someone who says things that repeat other things they believe are saying these things.

    And, frankly, there's bugger all anyone can do about it.

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    KMSMA (WWBD?)
  7. John Baez's Crackpot Index by Ellen+Spertus · · Score: 5, Funny
    http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

    A simple method for rating potentially revolutionary contributions to physics. A -5 point starting credit.

    1. 1 point for every statement that is widely agreed on to be false.
    2. 2 points for every statement that is clearly vacuous.
    3. 3 points for every statement that is logically inconsistent.
    4. 5 points for each such statement that is adhered to despite careful correction.
    5. 5 points for using a thought experiment that contradicts the results of a widely accepted real experiment.
    6. 5 points for each word in all capital letters (except for those with defective keyboards).
    7. 5 points for each mention of "Einstien", "Hawkins" or "Feynmann".
    8. 10 points for each claim that quantum mechanics is fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).
    9. 10 points for pointing out that you have gone to school, as if this were evidence of sanity.
    10. 10 points for beginning the description of your theory by saying how long you have been working on it.
    11. 10 points for mailing your theory to someone you don't know personally and asking them not to tell anyone else about it, for fear that your ideas will be stolen.
    12. 10 points for offering prize money to anyone who proves and/or finds any flaws in your theory.
    13. 10 points for each statement along the lines of "I'm not good at math, but my theory is conceptually right, so all I need is for someone to express it in terms of equations".
    14. 10 points for arguing that a current well-established theory is "only a theory", as if this were somehow a point against it.
    15. 10 points for arguing that while a current well-established theory predicts phenomena correctly, it doesn't explain "why" they occur, or fails to provide a "mechanism".
    16. 10 points for each favorable comparison of yourself to Einstein, or claim that special or general relativity are fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).
    17. 10 points for claiming that your work is on the cutting edge of a "paradigm shift".
    18. 20 points for suggesting that you deserve a Nobel prize.
    19. 20 points for each favorable comparison of yourself to Newton or claim that classical mechanics is fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).
    20. 20 points for every use of science fiction works or myths as if they were fact.
    21. 20 points for defending yourself by bringing up (real or imagined) ridicule accorded to your past theories.
    22. 20 points for each use of the phrase "hidebound reactionary".
    23. 20 points for each use of the phrase "self-appointed defender of the orthodoxy".
    24. 30 points for suggesting that a famous figure secretly disbelieved in a theory which he or she publicly supported. (E.g., that Feynman was a closet opponent of special relativity, as deduced by reading between the lines in his freshman physics textbooks.)
    25. 30 points for suggesting that Einstein, in his later years, was groping his way towards the ideas you now advocate.
    26. 30 points for claiming that your theories were developed by an extraterrestrial civilization (without good evidence).
    27. 30 points for allusions to a delay in your work while you spent time in an asylum, or references to the psychiatrist who tried to talk you out of your theory.
    28. 40 points for comparing those who argue against your ideas to Nazis, stormtroopers, or brownshirts.
    29. 40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.
    30. 40 points for comparing yourself to Galileo, suggesting that a modern-day Inquisition is hard at work on your case, and so on.
    31. 40 points for claiming that when your theory is finally appreciated, present-day science will be seen for the sham it truly is. (30 more points for fantasizing about show trials in which scientists who mocked your theories will be forced to recant.)
    32. 50 points for claiming you have a revolutionary theory but giving no concrete testable predictions.

      © 1998 John Baez

  8. What? by NaugaHunter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Proof is only subjective if it is used to support faith, and then it's not really proof, it's more of an opinion. Saying "I have faith car A is the best race car." is a subjective opinion. Saying "Because it has run 48 of 50 races, car B appears to be the best race car in those races." is an objective conclusion based on "proof". If you call that subjective and go with the first statement, you aren't really basing anything proof.

    True, not every proof begins with an absolute baseline, but it can always be traced back to one. Your argument about school textbooks illustrates only that without complete data sets, conclusions can be wrong. Wow.

    And just which "debunkers" are you referring to? Debunkers of creationism, or debunkers of evolution? They have fairly different arguments. On the one side you have observed (the flu evoles to survive, you know) and inferred evolutionary occurances, both of which are willing to incorporate new data to smooth out the edges, or move entirely as appropriate. On the other you get twisted logic (the world is too ordered to not be created) and egotism (we are not related to monkeys!). I don't see either of these using absense of proof.

    Or are there other debunkers your referring to? Debunkers of Holocaust? Debunkers of Santa Clause? Debunkers of the moon landing? Granted none of these may be the ones you were generalizing, but I'm guessing the first two were the ones from how you openned your post.

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    R: That voice. Where have I heard that voice before? B: In about 365 other episodes. But I don't know who it is either.
  9. Favorite Logical Fallacy by Euphonious+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Whackos don't have a favorite logical fallacy (they like them all equally), but debunkers do. It's called the Argument from Ignorance, and in its simplest form it goes, "Your evidence for A is unsatisfactory, therefore not A". Another form is "You didn't prove A, therefore B".

    Classic debunker examples include:

    • Nobody saw that rock fall out of the sky, therefore your claim that rocks (ice balls, frogs) fall out of the sky is false.
    • Your airplane prototype crashed, therefore men will never fly.
    • You haven't produced a half-man/half-ape fossil, therefore Man is a special creation.
    The pattern is that incomplete evidence or faulty reasoning is taken to disprove the conclusion, instead of the correct result: that the status of the conclusion is (was) unknown. Rocks might or might not fall, Man might or might not fly, humans and modern apes might or might not have evolved from a common ancestor. We don't know if life originated "elsewhere", We don't know if antimatter repels matter gravitationally, we don't know if some people can sense the death of relatives from afar. We might never know.

    Scientists are prone to this fallacy, perhaps because they are temperamentally uncomfortable with uncertainty. That's why they became scientists in the first place. That's also why saying "I don't know" is considered, among scientists, so virtuous; it's hard to bring themselves to say it.

    Among scientists, the fallacy manifests most harmfully when the conventional theory for a phenomenon is no better supported than the alternatives. Careers are blighted. Recent examples from biology that suffered "debunking" for decades include:

    • Barbara McClintock's work on corn genetics
    • Nerve cell replacement in mature vertebrates
    • Effects of weak electromagnetic fields on living tissue
    • RNA -> DNA transcription by viruses
    • Free-living ancestors of cell organelles
    1. Re:Favorite Logical Fallacy by k98sven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Scientists are prone to this fallacy, perhaps because they are temperamentally uncomfortable with uncertainty. That's why they became scientists in
      the first place. That's also why saying "I don't know" is considered, among scientists, so virtuous; it's hard to bring themselves to say it.


      That's one of the worst pieces of BS I've heard in a long time!
      Nothing could be farther from the truth.

      To quote Richard Feynman (a bona-fide, real scientist(TM), and a Nobel laureate at that..)

      I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing - I think it's much
      more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be
      wrong. I have approximate answers and possible beliefs and different degrees
      of certainty about different things but I'm not absolutely sure of anything and
      there are many things I don't know anything about such as whether it means
      anything to ask "why are we here?" But I don't have to know an answer -
      I don't feel frightened by not knowing things.


      This the view most scientists share, although most did not put it as well as ol' RPF.

  10. Re:Why people believe weird things. by spakka · · Score: 4, Funny

    Okay, I'll bite this troller's bait. This review, and probably the book (I won't actually review something I haven't read, so a caveat here that I'm just going off the reviewer's obviously biased sentiment) and certainly this comment are all typical of a particular (and if I may say so, garden variety and dime a dozen) variety of "skeptic." This smart guy has everybody figured out - they are slaves of their childhood training, not liberated minds like ol' Boomer here.

    You're just bitter because you have chosen to waste your life grovelling, while the rest of us can do as we please. You probably also suspect in your heart of hearts that we're going to get away with it. Poor, afraid sucker.