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Customer-owned Networks: ZapMail & Telecoms

sasha writes "Here's a good article that describes how we, the consumers, can play the role of competitors to the vendors of products and services we buy. The author draws a parallel between FedEx's ZapMail failure and current situation with VoIP and WiFi in regard to the phone companies."

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  1. What we need, is to get rid of the monopolies. by Kethinov · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem with communications technologies is that there is a monopoly in the industry. Well perhaps not a monoply, but certainly an oligopy. How many phone companies can you name off the top of your head? 5? How about ISPs? Communications aren't advancing at the pace of technology because none of these capitalists want to give up their precious money.

    Perhaps that's why we don't have wireless internet access everywhere in the U.S. or why cars still run on non-renewable resources even though there are safe, clean, easy-to-produce alternatives. Companies which fill our cars with gas, provide us with barely stable internet access, and manufacture paper take advantage of public ignorance so much that "we are literally wiping our ass with our own future," as a great man once said.

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    1. Re:What we need, is to get rid of the monopolies. by gmack · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In Canada we take our monopolies and regulate the hell out of them. They get minimum service requirements or the customer gets to complain. They don't get to raise the basic services prices without going to the CRTC and justifying why.

      What do we have? An excellent phone system at a reasonable price and the land based telcos seem to be doing rather well for themselves finantialy.

      Regulation isn't the problem it's incompetant regulation. Had the US done what Canada did I'm sure it would have been much less of a burden on AT&T than what ended up happening. And you would probably have gotten better service out of it too.

  2. So get up get, get get down, 911 is a joke in VoIP by Rob+Parkhill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Damn, that doesn't rhyme at all...

    I see biggest stumbling block to be the complete lack of 911 service when using a VoIP service like Vontage. Sure, these systems are a pretty nice replacement for your long distance provider if you spend a lot on long distance, but don't fool yourself into thinking that this is a decent replacement for a local land-line just yet. You are better off using your wireless phone instead.

    I would hope that someday soon, VoIP systems like this and 911 would play nicely together, but I don't see that happening unless some three-letter governement agency steps in and mandates it.

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  3. Not quite the same thing... by NineNine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A. VOIP isn't that simple. Not yet. I can't buy anything at Wal-Mart and plug it into the wall. Until it's that easy, people won't do it.

    B. You need broadband. Broadband is far from ubiquitous, and will probably remain so for a good while until customers (such as myself) see a real need for it.

    C. My options now are to pay $50/month for broadband plus some amount for software and hardware, or pay $25/month for phone service plus $5 for a phone.

    D. VOIP is moot as cell phones are becoming increasingly better and cheaper. I can call anyone in the country from anywhere in the country as part of the minutes I buy every month. Why would I want to step backwards to be tied down to a land line (ie: Net connection)? I don't.

  4. One Assumption too many. by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the Article:

    "The creation of the fax network was the first time this happened, but it won't be the last. WiFi hubs and VoIP adapters allow the users to build out the edges of the network without needing to ask the phone companies for either help or permission. Thanks to the move from analog to digital networks, the telephone companies' most significant competition is now their customers, because if the customer can buy a simple device that makes wireless connectivity or IP phone calls possible, then anything the phone companies offer by way of competition is nothing more than the latest version of ZapMail. "

    The entire article makes a lot of assumptions most of which make no sense. But this paragraph being the most ridiculous IMO. There is a reason why products like Lindows is doin well. Mainly the majority of users on the internet don't know how/care to know how or want to do most of these things them selves to get online. This in no way compaers to zapmail. The alterantive was a very easy soloution and it was hardware only. Many people don't want to have to setup hardware and software to get a service. They want it commeing from the OEMs ready to go. The fax machine was a simple matter of pluging it into the wall. WiFi is all that simple (maybe to some). A horrible comparison and overall FUD aimed at Telcos that won't work.

  5. Author is drawing a false analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Zapmail failed because the users were able to sidestep the service provider (FedEx) by connecting directly to the network, for the cost of the fax machine. In essence, FedEx put themselves in as a middleman with zero added value.

    The author then states that wireless ISP's are making the same mistake, except that wireless ISP's aren't targeting the home users who can already get cable: They are targetting users where deploying a traditional wireless connect would be impossible, like rural areas, or rest areas where the users don't own the property where they want to use wireless internet.

    Also, he makes a similiar mistake with the traditional arguments about the value of VoIP.... except that the telephone monopolies most certainly offer a couple must-have value-added features, such as a centralized telephone number database and the handling of the last-mile wiring + service in one contract.

    ZipMail failed because they offered no value as a middleman. This argument doesn't apply to most wireless ISP's or telephone monopolies.

  6. Countries ban VoIP by sapped · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are a number of countries (I can only think of South Africa as an example right now) that have banned VoIP and are forcing the ISPs to comply.

    This has been done purely to protect the phone companies. With enough lobbying that can happen anywhere.

  7. For now, telco owns the "last mile"..... by Newer+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For now, someone (telco, cable company, etc.) owns the 'last mile' of the circuit. My ISP tells me that about 2/3 of my monthly DSL bill goes direct to the ILEC (telco). They get 1/3 to fill the line with Internet. That means that they get 17 bucks a month out of the 50 and the telco gets 34 just for providing the last mile. To add insult to injury, to get ADSL I must also have an analog telephone line, (at 20 bucks a month) which means that the telco actually gets paid TWICE for the last mile.

    It seems to me that the telco's are committing highway robbery. They're getting over 50 bucks a month for providing a single copper pair about five blocks. Cable's pricing is no better, and all the cable companies are capping upload limits which limits your ability to use VOIP (the reason is clear here too; cable wants to charge you for THEIR OWN VOIP).

    Seems to me that a community could make a small fortune by running fiber and charging even half what the telco's and cable companies charge for that last mile.

    Finally, I have Vonage VOIP service. Had it for over a year now and I love it. I use it with DSL.
    My wife talks to her mother over 10 hours a week. I call all my friends and my kids constantly. The bill is always the same: 39.99 plus tax. Also, their international calls sound better then AT&T and you can't beat calling most of Europe for 5 cents a minute. Plus it's great having a 617 (downtown Boston) incoming phone number that is a local call for all my friends there, yet rings at my condo in Los Angeles.

  8. Live in China, but have a 310 US area code by silentbozo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It looks like the Vonage boxes have the direct dial number tied to the box. It's like a mobile phone in that respect, except the boxes hook onto a public infrastructure (TCP/IP), which means you can pay $40 to Vonage to have a phone number in the 310 area code (Los Angeles), even though you might physically be in some place like China (assuming you have broadband there.)

    You could put together a DIY call center on the cheap - get a business number, have it set to forward to a set of 310 numbers, get a dozen Vonage boxes, put them in some place where labor and broadband are cheap (someplace in midwest Canada?), and there ya go! Local customer calls 310 number, local teleco forwards to the Vonage number, Vonage rings the box, which is NOT in LA, and there ya go!

    Hmmm, even cooler. Take the box with you on vacation - as long as you can get TCP/IP, you won't have to mess with phone or message forwarding. Damn, this is one way to have a portable number, even if the local telco won't let you have one (even though by state law they're supposed to!!!)