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Customer-owned Networks: ZapMail & Telecoms

sasha writes "Here's a good article that describes how we, the consumers, can play the role of competitors to the vendors of products and services we buy. The author draws a parallel between FedEx's ZapMail failure and current situation with VoIP and WiFi in regard to the phone companies."

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  1. Fiber has replaced copper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Those days are long over, as copper wires have been largely replaced by fiber optic cable."

    Tell that to the guys working at the thousands and thousands of wiring frames in telco central offices.

  2. What we need, is to get rid of the monopolies. by Kethinov · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem with communications technologies is that there is a monopoly in the industry. Well perhaps not a monoply, but certainly an oligopy. How many phone companies can you name off the top of your head? 5? How about ISPs? Communications aren't advancing at the pace of technology because none of these capitalists want to give up their precious money.

    Perhaps that's why we don't have wireless internet access everywhere in the U.S. or why cars still run on non-renewable resources even though there are safe, clean, easy-to-produce alternatives. Companies which fill our cars with gas, provide us with barely stable internet access, and manufacture paper take advantage of public ignorance so much that "we are literally wiping our ass with our own future," as a great man once said.

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    1. Re:What we need, is to get rid of the monopolies. by LaissezFaire · · Score: 4, Interesting
      As long as the government doesn't mandate or forbid things, we are rid of the monopolies. The definition of monopoly was originally based on whether or not the government allowed competition.

      The problems in the marketplace aren't "market failures" that the government needs to fix for you (at no small cost), but areas where the government has forced things to work a particular way.

      Entrepreneurs like to make money. And as long as they aren't forbidden to entera sector of the market, and it's profitable, they will. And it's the customers that vote with their pocketbooks that allow it to happen. It's a beautiful thing.

    2. Re:What we need, is to get rid of the monopolies. by gmack · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In Canada we take our monopolies and regulate the hell out of them. They get minimum service requirements or the customer gets to complain. They don't get to raise the basic services prices without going to the CRTC and justifying why.

      What do we have? An excellent phone system at a reasonable price and the land based telcos seem to be doing rather well for themselves finantialy.

      Regulation isn't the problem it's incompetant regulation. Had the US done what Canada did I'm sure it would have been much less of a burden on AT&T than what ended up happening. And you would probably have gotten better service out of it too.

  3. So get up get, get get down, 911 is a joke in VoIP by Rob+Parkhill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Damn, that doesn't rhyme at all...

    I see biggest stumbling block to be the complete lack of 911 service when using a VoIP service like Vontage. Sure, these systems are a pretty nice replacement for your long distance provider if you spend a lot on long distance, but don't fool yourself into thinking that this is a decent replacement for a local land-line just yet. You are better off using your wireless phone instead.

    I would hope that someday soon, VoIP systems like this and 911 would play nicely together, but I don't see that happening unless some three-letter governement agency steps in and mandates it.

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  4. Nice article by Uhh_Duh · · Score: 5, Insightful


    But it failed to point out that the big players in the telecom game are already well aware that their product (voice services via copper) are already obsolete. Why do you think the big boys (MCI, Sprint, Qwest) have such massive investments in the internet backbone? They recognize that the future of communications isn't land-line telephones, it's massive internet backbones. This is where every major player in the telecom game has banked their future. They're not idiots sitting in a smoke-filled conference room with no vision -- these people understand that their revenue stream on the internet side will ultimately replace their revenue stream on the consumer / voice side and they are already geared for it.

    The point is that switching to the internet backbone for your voice services doesn't hurt them -- it simply moves your service from column A to column B on their balance sheet.

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  5. Phone Companies/Internet Access by derfel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't the phone companies already have pretty good control over internet access? Dial-up through the phone lines, DSL kind of goes through there too, and the cable companies are either phone companies or closely related to them. Once the phone companies lose the revenue stream from over charging us for phone access, they'll just charge us more for internet access. Well, I guess they'll do that either way.

  6. Not quite the same thing... by NineNine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A. VOIP isn't that simple. Not yet. I can't buy anything at Wal-Mart and plug it into the wall. Until it's that easy, people won't do it.

    B. You need broadband. Broadband is far from ubiquitous, and will probably remain so for a good while until customers (such as myself) see a real need for it.

    C. My options now are to pay $50/month for broadband plus some amount for software and hardware, or pay $25/month for phone service plus $5 for a phone.

    D. VOIP is moot as cell phones are becoming increasingly better and cheaper. I can call anyone in the country from anywhere in the country as part of the minutes I buy every month. Why would I want to step backwards to be tied down to a land line (ie: Net connection)? I don't.

    1. Re:Not quite the same thing... by davidstrauss · · Score: 4, Interesting
      A. VOIP isn't that simple. Not yet. I can't buy anything at Wal-Mart and plug it into the wall. Until it's that easy, people won't do it.
      I think this has potential as a feature in Wi-Fi routers: a broadband line + router + WiFi handset phone would at least not complicate the phone setup any more than broadband Internet setup.

      B. You need broadband. Broadband is far from ubiquitous, and will probably remain so for a good while until customers (such as myself) see a real need for it.
      Canada actually is implementing a universal broadband access plan.

      C. My options now are to pay $50/month for broadband plus some amount for software and hardware, or pay $25/month for phone service plus $5 for a phone.

      We actually pay around $50/month for metro phone service and another $40/month for broadband. Paying only one would be cheaper.

      D. VOIP is moot as cell phones are becoming increasingly better and cheaper. I can call anyone in the country from anywhere in the country as part of the minutes I buy every month. Why would I want to step backwards to be tied down to a land line (ie: Net connection)? I don't.
      As cell phones implement Internet features, VoIP will become a viable cell technology. Instead of running the cell Internet services over a small digital or analog pipe intended for voice, voice and data can share a large one.

      Granted, VoIP needs some work (i.e. 911), but don't sell it short for its potential.

    2. Re:Not quite the same thing... by Sethb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've got Vonage, and it works pretty well, I'm literally days away from canceling my land line. My wife and I use our cells for most of our calls, but I didn't want to have to eat minutes for incoming calls, hence the Vonage line. I got in before they raised the price though, so my bill is only $20/month for 500 outgoing minutes, unlimited incoming.

      Anyhow, the only thing holding me back is my second TiVo upstairs, it wouldn't work over Vonage (though I read some people have gotten it to work) so I'm getting a wireless ethernet bridge to just send it via my 802.11b network. I should really wire the house with cat5e, but I'm lazy, and wireless is oh-so-easy.

      But, I use Vonage now all the time, no one has ever griped about the quality, and they'd never know I was using Voice over IP. Things have come a long ways since using Netmeeting on your 486. :)

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  7. But where do we get Internet access? by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I like his argument, mostly, but there is one flaw: He assumes the users have internet and will use it for Voice. But where do they get the internet access? The above would be fine, except I can't stand the terms of use for cable in my area (only one cable ISP.), and I have to have Voice (at least local) to get DSL. If I could get just DSL that would be fine, but there is no one who is offering it. So where do I get Internet in his scenario?

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  8. One Assumption too many. by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the Article:

    "The creation of the fax network was the first time this happened, but it won't be the last. WiFi hubs and VoIP adapters allow the users to build out the edges of the network without needing to ask the phone companies for either help or permission. Thanks to the move from analog to digital networks, the telephone companies' most significant competition is now their customers, because if the customer can buy a simple device that makes wireless connectivity or IP phone calls possible, then anything the phone companies offer by way of competition is nothing more than the latest version of ZapMail. "

    The entire article makes a lot of assumptions most of which make no sense. But this paragraph being the most ridiculous IMO. There is a reason why products like Lindows is doin well. Mainly the majority of users on the internet don't know how/care to know how or want to do most of these things them selves to get online. This in no way compaers to zapmail. The alterantive was a very easy soloution and it was hardware only. Many people don't want to have to setup hardware and software to get a service. They want it commeing from the OEMs ready to go. The fax machine was a simple matter of pluging it into the wall. WiFi is all that simple (maybe to some). A horrible comparison and overall FUD aimed at Telcos that won't work.

  9. Author is drawing a false analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Zapmail failed because the users were able to sidestep the service provider (FedEx) by connecting directly to the network, for the cost of the fax machine. In essence, FedEx put themselves in as a middleman with zero added value.

    The author then states that wireless ISP's are making the same mistake, except that wireless ISP's aren't targeting the home users who can already get cable: They are targetting users where deploying a traditional wireless connect would be impossible, like rural areas, or rest areas where the users don't own the property where they want to use wireless internet.

    Also, he makes a similiar mistake with the traditional arguments about the value of VoIP.... except that the telephone monopolies most certainly offer a couple must-have value-added features, such as a centralized telephone number database and the handling of the last-mile wiring + service in one contract.

    ZipMail failed because they offered no value as a middleman. This argument doesn't apply to most wireless ISP's or telephone monopolies.

  10. Problems with the analogy by gpinzone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't disagree with the author's conclusions about ZapMail and the Fax machine. However, there's a key difference between telephone calls through your phone company and voice-over-ip: Internet providers are out to screw their customers as much as the phone companies. Take Optimum Online's self-imposed limit on uploads. They cite P2P traffic, but in reality, wouldn't this put the kabash on Voice-over-IP? Lo and behold, Cablevision is working on it's OWN voice-over-IP solution. Guess if you don't want to cable modem capped, you'll have to pay for TWO services. The difference between the two business plans is that the customers bought fax machines and made an "end-run" around Fed-Ex completely. Try to circumvent the telephone company by pumping VoIP packets through your IP and you may be in for a rude awakening.

  11. Countries ban VoIP by sapped · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are a number of countries (I can only think of South Africa as an example right now) that have banned VoIP and are forcing the ISPs to comply.

    This has been done purely to protect the phone companies. With enough lobbying that can happen anywhere.

  12. Static IPs by Pinky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're going to call someone over the internet, you need a static ip.. Or a dyndns domain name to route. Your average household connection, right now, if dynamic ip. It makes finding people difficult.

    A second problem is the lack of deployment of high speed intenet... or maybe I should say, internet access that can be on 24/7 and not block the phone.

    Oddly enough, these problems are the ones that p2p and instant messaging systems tend to get around. INstant messaging will alert you when someone is there and p2p has so many users it doesn't matter who is on, someone always is. Look how well they did.

    I do find it funny that companies think users won't share internet accounts for multiple computers and will get two accounts. WiFi or not, I know no one with two i-net accounts for this purpose.

  13. missing a point by Styros · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem that faced Zapmail doesn't translate here. Zapmail failed because Fed Ex didn't own the underlying technology behind it, the telephone wires. Fed Ex had to buy the technology, the line and the fax machine, just like its customers. That's why the pricing never made sense, since nobody would pay the Fed Ex premium when they could go directly to the source.

    That analogy doesn't work here, because the telcos own the underlying technology. Once they bundle phone and internet together, you have both no matter what. Sure, you can cancel the phone, but why, you've already paid for it.

    Take my case for example, I can only get SBC DSL here. I don't like SBC's phone service, so I want to quit. Well, that's too bad for me, because I can't. In order for my DSL to work, I have to have SBC phone service. Since, I can't get a cable modem, I'm stuck with the service.

  14. For now, telco owns the "last mile"..... by Newer+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For now, someone (telco, cable company, etc.) owns the 'last mile' of the circuit. My ISP tells me that about 2/3 of my monthly DSL bill goes direct to the ILEC (telco). They get 1/3 to fill the line with Internet. That means that they get 17 bucks a month out of the 50 and the telco gets 34 just for providing the last mile. To add insult to injury, to get ADSL I must also have an analog telephone line, (at 20 bucks a month) which means that the telco actually gets paid TWICE for the last mile.

    It seems to me that the telco's are committing highway robbery. They're getting over 50 bucks a month for providing a single copper pair about five blocks. Cable's pricing is no better, and all the cable companies are capping upload limits which limits your ability to use VOIP (the reason is clear here too; cable wants to charge you for THEIR OWN VOIP).

    Seems to me that a community could make a small fortune by running fiber and charging even half what the telco's and cable companies charge for that last mile.

    Finally, I have Vonage VOIP service. Had it for over a year now and I love it. I use it with DSL.
    My wife talks to her mother over 10 hours a week. I call all my friends and my kids constantly. The bill is always the same: 39.99 plus tax. Also, their international calls sound better then AT&T and you can't beat calling most of Europe for 5 cents a minute. Plus it's great having a 617 (downtown Boston) incoming phone number that is a local call for all my friends there, yet rings at my condo in Los Angeles.

  15. Live in China, but have a 310 US area code by silentbozo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It looks like the Vonage boxes have the direct dial number tied to the box. It's like a mobile phone in that respect, except the boxes hook onto a public infrastructure (TCP/IP), which means you can pay $40 to Vonage to have a phone number in the 310 area code (Los Angeles), even though you might physically be in some place like China (assuming you have broadband there.)

    You could put together a DIY call center on the cheap - get a business number, have it set to forward to a set of 310 numbers, get a dozen Vonage boxes, put them in some place where labor and broadband are cheap (someplace in midwest Canada?), and there ya go! Local customer calls 310 number, local teleco forwards to the Vonage number, Vonage rings the box, which is NOT in LA, and there ya go!

    Hmmm, even cooler. Take the box with you on vacation - as long as you can get TCP/IP, you won't have to mess with phone or message forwarding. Damn, this is one way to have a portable number, even if the local telco won't let you have one (even though by state law they're supposed to!!!)

  16. Re:So get up get, get get down, 911 is a joke in V by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work writing/maintaining software for public service, including CAD (computer aided dispatching) systems. So I pretty much set up 911 systems from the police's end, and pretty much everywhere it's run at a municipal level. No 3-letter gov't agency need be involved, the 911 service is contracted between the city/county and the provider.

    So there's really nothing stopping a city from contracting an emergency service from a company like Vontage - all that needs happen is someone like me codes the interface to it.

    It is, however, unlikely. Agencies loathe change. They don't want to upgrade. Right now they're all pitching a fit because HP is phasing out the 3000 line over the next 10 years - they dont plan on buying new hardware before then. So I doubt we'd see any citys/counties signing a contract with a 'new kid on the block' .com company.

    Heck, my company is only 20 years old and it takes a lot of shmoozing (and vaporware promises from marketing that I have to keep - grr) to get in the door. They'd rather shell out the big dollars to a company like Motorola for vastly inferior software and support, because they know Motorola will be there in 30 years when they decide to upgrade the system.

    They're a decidedly technophobic bunch. You'd be surprised to see how many agencies in sizable cities still do their dispatching via cue cards and a bulletin board.

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  17. A few FedEx details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    While the article makes some reasonable points about the ZapMail / personal fax machine 'competition' as usual there are a few details that fill out the picture (and maybe make it a little more interesting).

    - FedEx's 'fax machines' were 300x300dpi devices. This was important because a signed document could be sent that would still contain a legal signature. Keep a 1986 perspective on this (with very few fax machines anywhere during planning much less laser printer quality)

    - A communications satellite was part of the network (so much for not owning the network as some have said). Problem is, it was on the Challenger. Not only was the satellite lost, so was the launch system for an indefinite period.

    - The tax laws were scheduled to change in 1988 (?) to change that would reduce how much FedEx could write off in the case of a project cancellation. With no launch capability, it probably was reasonable to shutdown sooner rather than later and get the best writeoff possible.

    - Lots of Tandem systems were purchased to support Zapmail. Most of these are still in operation in the FedEx network. Also, for a long time Zapmail hardware was used internally as copy machines... (oh, that old thing - its a Zapmail leftover...)

    - FedEx hired a lot of IT people around the Zapmail time (mid 80's) and many are the old hands of today. By the way, FedEx laid off ZERO personnel when Zapmail was cancelled even though reported from 1500 to 2500 were involved. All were reassigned and a large number played significant IT roles later in the evolution of the FedEx network to what it is now. Many even referred to themselves as being 'Zapmailers'.

    If a few things had gone differently, the project might of at least been launched and operational for a while. There's little doubt that the Zapmailers did not understand how much the common fax machine would spread, but what would have been launched would still be in its own 'league' even now.

  18. The fax machine used to be difficult as well by cshirky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're comapring apples and oranges. Don't think that today's Type 3 plain-paper "just plug it in and it works" fax was like the fax machines of 1984. Those fax machines costs thousands of dollars, had poor quality, were difficult to set up, and required lots of maintenance for their toner replacements and special fax-only paper.

    The reason we have easy to use cheap fax machines today is that there was a market for difficult expensive ones 15 years ago. The same thing happened with radios, calculators, and, of course, computers.

    Today's VoIP and WiFi installations are cheaper and easier than they used to be, and will be both cheaper and easier again by the end of this year. Comparing a mature technology with one still in early adoption phase, and concluding that the latter has no chance, is to mistake the acorn for the oak.

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  19. Can you blame them? by Goonie · · Score: 5, Informative
    If a new system has bugs, people can (and sometimes do) die. This tends to be a pretty powerful incentive to keep an old, working system going.

    We had this in Victoria (Australia) when ambulance dispatch was contracted out to Intergraph (who you may remember as a graphics card manufacturer). The inevitable teething problems occurred, a few people died, the government ended up in very hot water.

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  20. Jane Black article predated Shirky's by SiliconEntity · · Score: 5, Informative
    Jane Black wrote an article making a similar analysis in BusinessWeek Online a few weeks ago. She discussed commercial WiFi companies like Cometa and brought up the example of FedEx's ZapMail to illustrate that commercial WiFi could face the same failure. Some quotes:

    When fax machines were first introduced in the 1980s, several big companies planned new fax-delivery services. In 1984, visionary FedEx CEO Frederick Smith introduced a service called ZapMail that he hoped would replace jet fuel with ink toner. The plan: FedEx would buy the then-pricey fax machines and place them in every FedEx office. Customers who wanted to send a fax would have FedEx pick up their documents and bring them to a local office. Within the hour, the documents would then be faxed to the FedEx office closest to the recipient. FedEx would put the fax in an envelope and hand-deliver the service.

    At the time, it made sense. ZapMail began as a value-added service that leveraged FedEx's core strength--reliably delivering information overnight. It also saved customers the trouble of installing and maintaining expensive equipment. But ZapMail ultimately failed as the price of fax machines plummeted. Rather than pay someone else to send a fax, businesses just bought their own machines. FedEx shuttered ZapMail only 12 months after the launch--and $190 million in losses.

    ZapMail may prove a cautionary tale for Cometa. Right now, Wi-Fi seems like a new, whiz-bang technology that requires corporate oversight. But in time, business users and individuals may not see the need to pay someone for Wi-Fi service. After all, bandwidth is sold at a flat monthly rate. That means there's no cost difference to a hotel, restaurant, or public park if 1,000 or 100,000 people log on to their network.

    "This is a corporate land grab. Ultimately, though, users may realize they can make this work on their own," predicts Dewayne Hendricks, CEO of the California-based Dandin Group, which promotes wireless technology in remote areas. That would be good news for Wi-Fi. But bad news for Cometa.

    Let's give Ms. Black credit for coming up with the ZapMail analogy first. Shirky may have thought of it on his own, or he may have borrowed consciously or unconsciously from this earlier article.

  21. Member-owned cooperative by core+plexus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    That's what my telephone and DSL are, member owned cooperatives. We are always fending off buy-out offers from nearby commercial-corporate phone companies, but it won't happen. Our electric company is also a member-owned cooperative. I got a check from the phone company last week, my share of the dividend. I wouldn't have it any other way.

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