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Open Networks, Closed Regimes

kris writes "First Monday has an interesting article on Open Networks, Closed Regimes: The Impact of the Internet on Authoritarian Rule, presenting evidence that The Internet may not be automatic downfall of authoritan regimes as anecdotes commonly suggest. In their words: The authors trace Internet use in eight authoritarian and semi-authoritarian countries: China, Cuba, Singapore, Vietnam, Burma, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt. They discover that authoritarian governments, far from fearing the information age, have chosen to direct Internet development in ways that bolster the state. At the same time, many regimes are struggling to cope with the potent challenges posed by new technologies. The authors encourage policy makers in the U.S. and other industrialized democracies to promote specific Internet-based initiatives that foster political liberalization, rather than perpetuating the myth of the Internet as an unstoppable "virus of freedom.""

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  1. eight authoritarian countries by matt4077 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they forgot the US

    1. Re:eight authoritarian countries by davejenkins · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While it's all too chic right now to bag on the US and the UK for their positions on the upcoming war on Iraq, the Patriot Act, and other debatable topics, I hope everyone takes a deep breath and realizes that the very fact that we are debating these topics proves the openness of these societies.

      Anyone who gives serious thought about lumping the US in with these authoritarian dictatorships has obviously never been to said countries.

      Grow up.

    2. Re:eight authoritarian countries by jez9999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First they came for the crackers, but I did not speak, for I was not a cracker.
      Then they came for the pirates, but I did not speak, for I was not a pirate.
      Then they came for the copiers of their purchased CDs for fair use, but I did not speak, for I was not a copier of my purchased CDs for fair use.
      Than they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.

    3. Re:eight authoritarian countries by rela · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I have to ask you a question, since you appear to be German. How do you enjoy having all those US troups protecting your ass? If you don't like them their NOW, what about when the USSR was a threat?

      The question now is if the USA ITSELF is increasingly a threat. Turn off your rabid extremist 'usa-rah-rah-rah' goggles for a moment and look at things.

    4. Re:eight authoritarian countries by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Man, when people are comparing the ability to steal music to totalitarian regimes, you KNOW that Americans are rich, spoiled and insulated. There's a lot to be said for the theory that many American's biggest problem is too much peace, freedom and happiness. People get bored and need to manufacture problems in their lives. Of course, your "oppression" is worse than any generation come before, but alas, no one understands.

      I would love to see one of you thrown into North Korea, Iran or Iraq for a while.

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      Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
    5. Re:eight authoritarian countries by raju1kabir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fact that we ever spent money researching weapons which provided marginal (if any) strategic advantage at the cost of the potential for vast horror beyond compare in human history, has consequences we'll have to live with forever.

      Whether we say we were doing it in order to maintain parity with a potential aggressor or anything else, it's unjustifiable. The Soviet Union has never - to my knowledge - developed a biological agent which provided a reasonable long term value proposition in any conceivable battle scenario, so it's really not worth worrying about except in the context of a madman at the controls, in which case nuclear weapons were trouble enough.

      So yes, in my opinion, our bad. Once these things are created, they can't be un-created. And if two people on either side of a line are creating them, each new one you create leads the other person to go back the lab and create a worse one. Be man enough to stand fast at 1000% horrible while the other guy moves ahead to 1001% horrible and you can stop it where it is.

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      "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
    6. Re:eight authoritarian countries by radicalsubversiv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes and no.

      As an American who opposes most of "my" government's policies, who fall back on this sort of reasoning as a defense of American imperialism and plutocracy. The implication that we ought to stand united behind a government which fails to represent our interests simply because we don't get in locked in jail for saying so is absurd. Moreover, there are plenty of countries around the world which respect the most basic civil liberties of its citizens (and quite a number that do a better job of it).

      The history of American is largely one two separate threads. One is those who have advocated for the continued expansion of this great experiment we call democracy -- the anti-Federalists, abolitionists, sufragettes, Populists, labor unionists, Socialists, (some) progressives, New Dealers, and the Civil Rights and peace activists of the 60s.

      On the other side is those who have typically held power, in alliance with the nation's wealthiest and selfish interests. It is they who passed the Alien and Sedition Acts, maintained slavery in the South, opposed voting rights' for women, turned their back on starving farmers, martryed labor leaders, threw the Socialists in jail for speaking out against WWI, opposed anti-trust legislation, let loose the dogs on Martin Luther King, and sent our young men to die needlessly in Vietnam.

      Today, that tradition is being continued by politicians like Bush and Ashcroft who seek precisely to limit our liberty and threaten democracy. To uphold America-under-Bush as a beacon of openness for the rest of the world plays into their hands.

    7. Re:eight authoritarian countries by superyooser · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The issue is NOT: Harm innocent civilians or do not harm innocent civilians?

      The issue is: Choose a small war now (when the democracies' odds are good, and we can wage it on our OWN terms) or join a HUGE war later (when the democracies' odds are poorer, and tyrants and terrorists dictate the terms).

      The option of peace is an illusion. We live in a world of war. The best we can do is manage the war. It's a strategy game. You take out the madmen with WMD in small wars to prevent them from waging big wars.

      We've already made the mistake once in 1991. We backed off of completing the job because we thought the costs were too high, even though we knew Saddam was amassing WMD. Now, 12 years later, the threat is much greater, and the costs also may be much greater. We dare not procrastinate any longer! Iraq is working the black market to get nukes from China, North Korea, or Russia. You think casualties are going to be high if we act now? If we continue to postpone, delay, "give {peace, inspections, diplomacy} a chance" (i.e., give Saddam a chance - to develop nuclear weapons), you ain't seen nothin' yet!

      If it was wrong for the US to sit idle while the Nazi threat was growing, it is wrong to sit idle while Saddam's regime is growing. Saddam supports Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. Heck, he is a terrorist! When you see a threat growing, you have to nip it in the bud. It is irresponsible for us to continue to procrastinate. The sooner we act, the better it will be for the whole world -- except for Saddam. He has been given many, many chances to ameliorate the situation, but he has chosen his fate.

      The Iraqi civilians have more to benefit as a result of US/UK action than ANY OTHER party. We come not to conquer, but to liberate. Unfortunately, Saddam has put an evil face on his country. This war will be waged against his government, not the Iraqi civilians. Many innocent people will be killed, but the struggle to wrestle freedom from tyranny always results in bloodshed of the innocent. Freedom isn't free. Blood is the price of liberty.

    8. Re:eight authoritarian countries by a_n_d_e_r_s · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually the people who has most to win in an Iraq war is the US oil companies who expect to be able to drill for oil in the after-the-war-Iraq.

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      Just saying it like it are.
  2. If he's in East Germany, by hackwrench · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm sure he likes them there as much as he liked the USSR troops there.

  3. Only a myth if you think it happens overnight... by MyNameIsFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So many of the comments here say that Internet leading to freedom is a myth because it hasn't worked yet. The problem is that there is no way it can work quickly. Does anyone really think that just giving someone the Internet is going to make the population of some country slap themselves on the collective forehead, and say "How dumb were we?" At best, it will take years before even relatively free desemination of information will undermine a totalitarian regime. The flow information must cause ideas to germinate, discussion to start, groups to form, and a movement to start. Just look at the Vietnam war protests. They didn't happen overnight. It took 10 years for them to develop into their full-blown power. Or even the American Revolution, that didn't happen overnight in 1776. There were years, arguably decades, of events leading up to it.

  4. Re:The best thing I love about slashdot is.. by sheldon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does anyone have an idea on what the future will look like for the internet?

    Ok, I've been making this argument for about 5 years now. It's not incredibly insightful, it's basically just how things historically work.

    Imagine the Wild West...

    In the beginning you were pretty much free to do whatever you wanted. Wasn't too many people around, nobody really cared. Move your cattle from Texas to Utah across miles of open territory.

    Eventually people started moving out west, formed communities.. established businesses and put up fences. Well the newcomers and the oldtimers didn't take kindly to one another. But the newcomers were more populous and had more money, so they started hiring Marshalls and Sheriffs and Judges and so on and started cracking down on what you could and could not do.

    Eventually something becomes large enough where people feel it needs to be regulated, monitored and controlled. The Internet is beginning to get more and more notice, the proliferation of child porn, spam, scams, copyright violations and so on.

    We're already seeing the FBI, FTC and other US agencies spend more time on this. That's only going to increase over time.

    Now how does this play out on a global scale? That I don't know. With the Westernized Capitalist nations we'll likely see treaties signed which deal with cross-jurisdictional issues. Someone in Australia is caught distributing Child Porn by someone in Denmark, the authorities will have recourse to call up Australia and have him nabbed. This type of cooperation is already happening today, and increasingly becoming more important further in light of this war on terrorism.

    As to these other nations the ones mentioned in this article... They'll just continue trying to control users, or isolating themselves from the outside world.

    It's the language effect I'm curious about. The initial design didn't really allow for compartamentalizing by language choice. I like the options google.com gives now of restricting results to a particular language. Very helpful. Will the world standardize on English, or will the Internet evolve further to isolate? Perhaps it depends on the nations involved.

  5. All the speed of a glacier by NReitzel · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What makes anyone think that the internet isn't going to be the unstoppable "virus of freedom" in the world? Did people expect a tsunami of change to happen overnight?

    Political changes are generational things. In the United States, the civil rights act was passed in the mid-60's, and real change in the South is just happening now, as this comment is being read. In this particular case, it had to wait for the diehard bigots in congress and in the electorate to die off. Freedom in the Soviet Union took a similar change of leadership, over a similar length of time.

    There are two general cases that need to be considered, those being "rich" countries and "poor" countries. In those countries where sizeable chunks of the population are starving, changes of politics are quite secondary to the average citizen (though perhaps they should not be, in the long run). Adlai Stevenson expressed it well when he said, "A Hungry Man is not a Free Man." These people have no time to be interested in the internet, though even here, the internet will make changes over the long haul.

    In countries where hunger is not the primary motivating force, changes will come faster. One can see the ripples even now -- spend some time in Hong Kong and look around. In some of the most repressive theocracies on the planet, voices for change are being raised, and one of the primary ways we know about them is through the internet.

    Have patience; revolutions that happen overnight tend to be accompanied by copious quantities of blood. With any luck, things in many of these places may happen as they did in the Soviet Union. One day, we may wake up and notice that tyrants are becoming yet another endangered species.

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