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Open Networks, Closed Regimes

kris writes "First Monday has an interesting article on Open Networks, Closed Regimes: The Impact of the Internet on Authoritarian Rule, presenting evidence that The Internet may not be automatic downfall of authoritan regimes as anecdotes commonly suggest. In their words: The authors trace Internet use in eight authoritarian and semi-authoritarian countries: China, Cuba, Singapore, Vietnam, Burma, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt. They discover that authoritarian governments, far from fearing the information age, have chosen to direct Internet development in ways that bolster the state. At the same time, many regimes are struggling to cope with the potent challenges posed by new technologies. The authors encourage policy makers in the U.S. and other industrialized democracies to promote specific Internet-based initiatives that foster political liberalization, rather than perpetuating the myth of the Internet as an unstoppable "virus of freedom.""

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  1. eight authoritarian countries by matt4077 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they forgot the US

    1. Re:eight authoritarian countries by FyRE666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually it's not too bad over here in the UK... But only by virtue of the fact our government is so f*cking incompetent that most politicians don't even know what the internet is, let alone how to help censor it. Once they learn though...

    2. Re:eight authoritarian countries by davejenkins · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While it's all too chic right now to bag on the US and the UK for their positions on the upcoming war on Iraq, the Patriot Act, and other debatable topics, I hope everyone takes a deep breath and realizes that the very fact that we are debating these topics proves the openness of these societies.

      Anyone who gives serious thought about lumping the US in with these authoritarian dictatorships has obviously never been to said countries.

      Grow up.

    3. Re:eight authoritarian countries by jez9999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First they came for the crackers, but I did not speak, for I was not a cracker.
      Then they came for the pirates, but I did not speak, for I was not a pirate.
      Then they came for the copiers of their purchased CDs for fair use, but I did not speak, for I was not a copier of my purchased CDs for fair use.
      Than they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.

    4. Re:eight authoritarian countries by rela · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I have to ask you a question, since you appear to be German. How do you enjoy having all those US troups protecting your ass? If you don't like them their NOW, what about when the USSR was a threat?

      The question now is if the USA ITSELF is increasingly a threat. Turn off your rabid extremist 'usa-rah-rah-rah' goggles for a moment and look at things.

    5. Re:eight authoritarian countries by BrainInAJar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      By the time you're old enough to immigrate here, Canada'll have the same facist IP laws as the US and UK. There was an open discussion paper... thing a while ago about a Canadian DMCA. As it stands right now, our cost of blank CD's is rediculous. Future Shop (a Canadian electronics retailer) advertizes blank CDR's at $50 for 100 cd's.
      Not a bad price (shitty CD's, but I just found the first ad for them I could find). Factor in the CDR tax, and it ends up costing you over $100 for them.

      This tax is funneled straight into the **AA's, in a misguided effort to "compensate artists" for "illegal piracy"
      Now, IANAL, but I don't think you can tax an illegal activity, or else Revenue Canada'd be down on East Hastings (drug riddled area) busting every dealer for not reporting income. If they're taxing it, it must be legal now... I'm going to go burn a whole bunch of IP law violations

      Eventually, Canadas parliment will cave to corporate money (though I don't know why, the Liberal party doesn't need to campaign, they're going to win anyways) and make a restictive, evil law like the DMCA. When that day comes, I too will emigrate. I don't know where to though...

      (either that, or bloody revolution. YAY!)

    6. Re:eight authoritarian countries by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Man, when people are comparing the ability to steal music to totalitarian regimes, you KNOW that Americans are rich, spoiled and insulated. There's a lot to be said for the theory that many American's biggest problem is too much peace, freedom and happiness. People get bored and need to manufacture problems in their lives. Of course, your "oppression" is worse than any generation come before, but alas, no one understands.

      I would love to see one of you thrown into North Korea, Iran or Iraq for a while.

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    7. Re:eight authoritarian countries by br00tus · · Score: 3, Informative
      Like when, like in the 1950's when the leaders of the Communist Party in the US was thrown in jail because he committed the crime, according to the judge, of preaching what Karl Marx said? Along with a bunch of other communists at that time? Not to mention the ones who were denied work for their beliefs, a list of whom were kept in lists like "Red Channels" by ex-FBI men with close ties to the government?

      The US has a a very good record on freedom of speech though, relative to other countries. Speech is not the only freedom though and the US has totalitarian aspects undreamable in other industrialized countries. Case in point: Bush ordered dockworkers on the West Coast back to work by virtue of Taft-Hartley act. The Taft-Hartley act was called the "slave labor" act back in the 1950's because it FORCES people to work against their will. Employers can lay people off as they want, but workers are not allowed to stop working. Labor laws in the United States are frightening, and frankly they are pretty close to a totalitarian country.

    8. Re:eight authoritarian countries by br00tus · · Score: 3, Informative
      "Americans are rich, spoiled and insulated.[...]Of course, your 'oppression' is worse than any generation come before, but alas, no one understands."

      Well, I won't dispute that other countries perceive the US as insulated compared to themselves, which probably has some truth to it. As far as being oppressed worse than previous generations, well - thirty years constitutes a generation. How does the average inflation-adjusted hourly wage in the US compare to what it was thirty years ago? It's lower, people make less per hour than they did a generation ago. To maintain the living standards of a generation ago with lower pay, household debt has increased, from 65% of post-tax income to over 100%. Hours worked has also increased, surpassing Japan, with over 100 more hours per year than thirty years ago. So your desire to see this generation of American workers poorer, more debt-burdened, paid less and working more has already come true.

    9. Re:eight authoritarian countries by radicalsubversiv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes and no.

      As an American who opposes most of "my" government's policies, who fall back on this sort of reasoning as a defense of American imperialism and plutocracy. The implication that we ought to stand united behind a government which fails to represent our interests simply because we don't get in locked in jail for saying so is absurd. Moreover, there are plenty of countries around the world which respect the most basic civil liberties of its citizens (and quite a number that do a better job of it).

      The history of American is largely one two separate threads. One is those who have advocated for the continued expansion of this great experiment we call democracy -- the anti-Federalists, abolitionists, sufragettes, Populists, labor unionists, Socialists, (some) progressives, New Dealers, and the Civil Rights and peace activists of the 60s.

      On the other side is those who have typically held power, in alliance with the nation's wealthiest and selfish interests. It is they who passed the Alien and Sedition Acts, maintained slavery in the South, opposed voting rights' for women, turned their back on starving farmers, martryed labor leaders, threw the Socialists in jail for speaking out against WWI, opposed anti-trust legislation, let loose the dogs on Martin Luther King, and sent our young men to die needlessly in Vietnam.

      Today, that tradition is being continued by politicians like Bush and Ashcroft who seek precisely to limit our liberty and threaten democracy. To uphold America-under-Bush as a beacon of openness for the rest of the world plays into their hands.

    10. Re:eight authoritarian countries by Alex+Belits · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was in USSR since my birth in 1969 and until 1993 when I moved to US.

      All I can say is -- we can have this discussion here because here TALK IS CHEAP, and nothing is supposed to depend on it. It's almost the same in Russia now. It may look less barbaric to have the government that never listens to anyone, and breeds just enough humanlike cattle to vote for itself than the government that restricts speech because it has a lot of educated humans that may listen to it.

      But the problem is, I don't want to talk to the cattle. I want my arguments to be heard by people that may happen to be in control, and here it's not possible. People that disagree with government can just as well talk to each other in prison because no one anywhere close to power would listen to them.

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    11. Re:eight authoritarian countries by superyooser · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The issue is NOT: Harm innocent civilians or do not harm innocent civilians?

      The issue is: Choose a small war now (when the democracies' odds are good, and we can wage it on our OWN terms) or join a HUGE war later (when the democracies' odds are poorer, and tyrants and terrorists dictate the terms).

      The option of peace is an illusion. We live in a world of war. The best we can do is manage the war. It's a strategy game. You take out the madmen with WMD in small wars to prevent them from waging big wars.

      We've already made the mistake once in 1991. We backed off of completing the job because we thought the costs were too high, even though we knew Saddam was amassing WMD. Now, 12 years later, the threat is much greater, and the costs also may be much greater. We dare not procrastinate any longer! Iraq is working the black market to get nukes from China, North Korea, or Russia. You think casualties are going to be high if we act now? If we continue to postpone, delay, "give {peace, inspections, diplomacy} a chance" (i.e., give Saddam a chance - to develop nuclear weapons), you ain't seen nothin' yet!

      If it was wrong for the US to sit idle while the Nazi threat was growing, it is wrong to sit idle while Saddam's regime is growing. Saddam supports Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. Heck, he is a terrorist! When you see a threat growing, you have to nip it in the bud. It is irresponsible for us to continue to procrastinate. The sooner we act, the better it will be for the whole world -- except for Saddam. He has been given many, many chances to ameliorate the situation, but he has chosen his fate.

      The Iraqi civilians have more to benefit as a result of US/UK action than ANY OTHER party. We come not to conquer, but to liberate. Unfortunately, Saddam has put an evil face on his country. This war will be waged against his government, not the Iraqi civilians. Many innocent people will be killed, but the struggle to wrestle freedom from tyranny always results in bloodshed of the innocent. Freedom isn't free. Blood is the price of liberty.

  2. The best thing I love about slashdot is.. by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the vast majority of the users, authors, etc would like the internet to be an embodiement of freedom. Freedom of speech, freedom to post whatever you want, etc. While the internet was still becoming popular, before TV commercials posted website URL's in their ad's, corporate America (or the culture that embodies it) didn't have such a vicious stake in the ground. Yes, it allowed things like Napster, for a short while.

    As technology is challenging old business models (the way mp3's have suposedly challenged traditional casette and CD purchasing), it is creating an increasing number of conflicts between the information eutopia and the ruling bodies (i.e. countries) it spans.

    Does anyone have an idea on what the future will look like for the internet?

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    1. Re:The best thing I love about slashdot is.. by sheldon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does anyone have an idea on what the future will look like for the internet?

      Ok, I've been making this argument for about 5 years now. It's not incredibly insightful, it's basically just how things historically work.

      Imagine the Wild West...

      In the beginning you were pretty much free to do whatever you wanted. Wasn't too many people around, nobody really cared. Move your cattle from Texas to Utah across miles of open territory.

      Eventually people started moving out west, formed communities.. established businesses and put up fences. Well the newcomers and the oldtimers didn't take kindly to one another. But the newcomers were more populous and had more money, so they started hiring Marshalls and Sheriffs and Judges and so on and started cracking down on what you could and could not do.

      Eventually something becomes large enough where people feel it needs to be regulated, monitored and controlled. The Internet is beginning to get more and more notice, the proliferation of child porn, spam, scams, copyright violations and so on.

      We're already seeing the FBI, FTC and other US agencies spend more time on this. That's only going to increase over time.

      Now how does this play out on a global scale? That I don't know. With the Westernized Capitalist nations we'll likely see treaties signed which deal with cross-jurisdictional issues. Someone in Australia is caught distributing Child Porn by someone in Denmark, the authorities will have recourse to call up Australia and have him nabbed. This type of cooperation is already happening today, and increasingly becoming more important further in light of this war on terrorism.

      As to these other nations the ones mentioned in this article... They'll just continue trying to control users, or isolating themselves from the outside world.

      It's the language effect I'm curious about. The initial design didn't really allow for compartamentalizing by language choice. I like the options google.com gives now of restricting results to a particular language. Very helpful. Will the world standardize on English, or will the Internet evolve further to isolate? Perhaps it depends on the nations involved.

  3. And of course, there's Palladium... by jejones · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...the ultimate mechanism to bolster repressive regimes, soon to appear at a store near you.

  4. Post predictions! by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Funny
    • 40% will say "They forgot the US"
    • 20% will chide us for forcing US values on them
    • 20% will say "Keep government out of the internet!"
    • 10% will mention the Great Firewall of China ("Not really the whole internet!")
    • 5% will mention FreeNet, etc.
    • 4% will blame it all on Microsoft's TCP/IP stack in IE.
    • 1% will be inane post predictions
  5. Only a myth if you think it happens overnight... by MyNameIsFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So many of the comments here say that Internet leading to freedom is a myth because it hasn't worked yet. The problem is that there is no way it can work quickly. Does anyone really think that just giving someone the Internet is going to make the population of some country slap themselves on the collective forehead, and say "How dumb were we?" At best, it will take years before even relatively free desemination of information will undermine a totalitarian regime. The flow information must cause ideas to germinate, discussion to start, groups to form, and a movement to start. Just look at the Vietnam war protests. They didn't happen overnight. It took 10 years for them to develop into their full-blown power. Or even the American Revolution, that didn't happen overnight in 1776. There were years, arguably decades, of events leading up to it.

  6. it is not an absolute by zogger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    IMO, it is neither correct to say the US isn't or is authoritarian. Incidents occur, it's just a matter of scale and what the trends are. for example, here is an (randomly selected google reference) infamous example of obvious presidential abuse of power, ie "authoritarianism"

    http://www.dailyrepublican.com/clintoninsulted.h tm l

    Granted, relatively minor-but not for the victims. Reality and POV change once it ceases being a theory or opinion and becomes a fact that affects someone. I am sure there are any number of millions of similar examples, the vast majority of which are relatively unknown to anyone except the victims and their immediate friends and family. Hmm, the recent story about the lost wallet and the overreaction by armed police and a family dog is an example of "authoritarianism" carried to a harmful degree. Another, ask any relative of a kent state student shot and killed or wounded, their opinion will be different perhaps. It's scale and relativity to any "incident" that would make or break an "absolute" statement.

    I would say that it is more correct to say that the US right now isn't "as bad" as those other named countries, not that "they are" and "we aren't", and that "status" can change on a political whim. Right now, codified into law and challenged and upheld in a "court", all of your US alleged "born with" civil rights may be abbrogated if the executive branch classifies you as an "enemy combatant" or as a "terrorist", with no other anything required but their say-so. A "terrorist" by codified definition (one definition) is anyone who destroys governmental property or a contract. That's a rather broad brush, but it's "de law" now. And once identified as such-again, just because "they say so"-you are rather en-screwed. It used to take either a grand jury indictment to do that, with some still remaining "rights", or being caught in the immediate commission of a crime by a sworn officer. This is no longer the case. That's a pretty good example of the "trends" lately into authoritariansim. There's another one I recall, there's a doctor associated with the investigations into the waco case, he's been held without charge for over 5 years now (IIRC), and been under forced drugging. The story is, he was developing and was about to release some rather embarassing evidence. So he (Charles Thomas Sell, D.D.S, just googled for his name) got snatched up a la the gulag with their historical "psychiatric" abuses for "dissidents". The US "court" has ruled this is perfectly "lawful".

    hmmmmm

    I guess it just depends on where you are standing at any given point in time, and who you are, and what's going on, what "authoritarianism" really is, and whether or not some "state" can be classified as such.

  7. Pretty loose definition of authoritarian by raju1kabir · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've lived in Saudi Arabia and Singapore, and anyone who mentions them both in one breath is insane. Saudi Arabia is a society where religious police patrol the streets looking for and beating people who don't go to prayers, who keep their stores open or use pay phones during the 5 daily prayer periods, or who are women and show their ankles or noses. It's a country where government agents hang around in the mosques listening for rabblerousers, who are summarily dragged off for interrogation.

    Singapore, on the other hand, is basically what you get if you combine the social conservatism and corporate-centricity of the USA with the ridiculous libel laws of the UK. It's far closer to the USA than it is to Saudi Arabia.

    And the big difference is, in Singapore, people want it that way. They have one of the world's highest income levels, they have safety, they have long life and good health, and they have enough freedom not to feel stifled. One of the greatest achievements is that there's basically no sectarian trouble despite significant Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, and Hindu populations all sharing a small and dense space. Any number of polls has turned up time and time again that the vast majority wouldn't change a thing.

    Singapore is effectively a one-party state. In part that's because only a minority have wanted change. It's also because the PAP is aggressive in its use of libel action to silence non-member candidates who make too much noise.

    Personally, coming from a tradition where freedom of expression is a cherished core social value, I find that uncomfortable. But it doesn't change the fact that it works for Singapore. And it's not the sort of country where people would feel like they couldn't complain to me because they'd get taken away by the secret police.

    Anyway, by conflating these - though the material online was too thin to really be able to get to the bottom of their evidence - they seem to elide over the likely fact that the internet's open expression is a far greater threat to a regime like Saudi Arabia, which is unpopular anyway - than to one like Singapore's. Without relatively complacent countries like Singapore and UAE to soften the mix, I doubt their thesis would stand. Additionally, the inclusion of countries like Burma and to some extent Vietnam, where internet is a non-factor in general society, clouds their point further.

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  8. Who is the authoritarian? by br00tus · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I find the choices of countries that are "authoritarian" odd. Every country in the world is authoritarian to some extent, so at that point countries become authoritarian relative to one another. Cuba is called authoritarian, although Colombia is not. Unsurprisingly, Cuba is a small country that has embarrassed the leaders of the United States a great deal, from the New Years revolution of 1959 to the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban missile crisis, the Mariel boatlift to it's offer in 2000 to mediate the US elections. And there's no doubt that it has a high degree of authoritarianism - but relative to the rest of Latin America I would ask if it is so much more so than virtually every other Latin American country. In Colombia, hundreds of union activists are killed every year by death squads - in Brazil, death squads roam city streets at night killing homeless children. And the average Cuban has one of the highest standards of living in Latin America. Of course, US corporate media constantly puts Cuba under a microscope, and finds some real problems, but it seems odd to me that the only Latin American country found fault with is one US rulers have problems with, despite the fact that there are many countries in Latin America which are much worse.

    And again in terms of small countries which have embarrassed the US - Vietnam is another example. It's almost beyond belief that a US-funded study would call Vietnam's government authoritarian. What would they call the puppet government they tried to prop up from the 1950's on, where memoes and even Eisenhower's memoirs say the US leaders didn't want an election in Vietnam because they knew the anti-colonialist/imperialist candidates would win? And before that the Western leaders (US, France, England etc.) were trying to keep it a French colony.

    I'm tired of having the faults of only the countries who US leadership feels is not to their liking at the moment pointed out. I am an American, but I often think leaders who are criticized in the corporate press (Chavez, Lula) are better people than the ones glossed over. I find more common cause with the working class people like me in these countries than I do with the owners of the press and elite of my own country frankly. As the Bible says, check out the log in your own eye before pointing out the speck in someone else's.

  9. Re:authoritarian by Bicoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, I agree that the US government is too strict about plenty of things. However, getting authoritarian and totalitarian governments confused (or worse yet, assuming they are the same) is a mistake. The US, no matter how much you dislike their policy, is not Sudan or Saudi Arabia. We don't have legal state-sponsored slavery, we don't have state-sponsored gang-raping a woman as punishment for her brother's misdeeds, we don't have the death penalty for adultery, etc. While the US does indeed have plenty of flaws, I challenge you to find 5 states that lack similar legislation.

    I'm not saying we should settle for American government. I'm saying that going off and saying that America is equivalent to Sudan is just plain ignorant and seems to follow this "might-makes-wrong" doctrine that is currently screwing over the world. Military, political, and economic power does not have anything to do with a nation's power. I'm sick of seeing constant criticism of the US (and Israel, and the UK, and a few other nations) becaue they aren't ashamed that they have a powerful military whereas ethical transgressions of poorer countries are excused or even supported (consider the Sudanese slave trade) because they're poor and weak. Last time I checked, power/wealth and ethics are entirely unrelated.

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